[quote]Sexual_Samurai wrote:
so he honestly might be fine with cereal twice a day, assuming that he gets back into the gym as soon as he can.
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That’s like saying that a rocket filled with water instead of fuel will fly just fine as long as it gets on the launch pad and tries really hard.
[quote]ninjaboy wrote:
Sexual_Samurai wrote:
so he honestly might be fine with cereal twice a day, assuming that he gets back into the gym as soon as he can.
That’s like saying that a rocket filled with water instead of fuel will fly just fine as long as it gets on the launch pad and tries really hard.[/quote]
No, it’s really nothing like that, because a rocket can’t use water as fuel whereas the human body can use just about any nutrient given to it for fuel and function quite well.
fine, replace water with unleaded. Your rocket still isn’t going to get very far. The human body may be able to use many nutrients for fuel, but I’d love to see the studies that show protein synthesis without amino acids.
[quote]ninjaboy wrote:
fine, replace water with unleaded. Your rocket still isn’t going to get very far. The human body may be able to use many nutrients for fuel, but I’d love to see the studies that show protein synthesis without amino acids.[/quote]
I think you will find them next to the papers on alchemy and water/wine transformation…oh no I did not just say that.
[quote]ninjaboy wrote:
fine, replace water with unleaded. Your rocket still isn’t going to get very far. The human body may be able to use many nutrients for fuel, but I’d love to see the studies that show protein synthesis without amino acids.[/quote]
Last time I checked milk is a fantastic source of protein, and assuming that he eats his cereal with milk, I don’t see your point. Even if he were eating cereal straight, the OP said that he eats meat for dinner, so I doubt he’s robbing himself of the protein he needs for his goals.
I think you’re missing the point of the OP’s post just to prove a somewhat ill-conceived analogy. The OP is not looking to get jacked, he wants to be skinny with a little bit of muscle.
[quote]Sexual_Samurai wrote:
ninjaboy wrote:
fine, replace water with unleaded. Your rocket still isn’t going to get very far. The human body may be able to use many nutrients for fuel, but I’d love to see the studies that show protein synthesis without amino acids.
Last time I checked milk is a fantastic source of protein, and assuming that he eats his cereal with milk, I don’t see your point. Even if he were eating cereal straight, the OP said that he eats meat for dinner, so I doubt he’s robbing himself of the protein he needs for his goals.[/quote]
Do you really think 16oz of milk and 8-10 oz of meat are going to meet the protein needs of a 160lb man? At most, that’s around 100g of protein, which is pretty low.
And the advice he’s been given is valid for both goals. Even if his goals are questionable in merit, he still needs to dial in his nutrition, especially with regards to protein. If he’s on a restricted calorie diet, not lifting, and not getting much protein, he’s going to end up skinny fat at best.
If he’s really going for skinny with some muscle, he’d be much better served by eating 6 small meals a day with at least 40g of protein a piece. Spread 100g of fat out over the day, and have carbs mostly in the form of green vegetables.
That’s 960 cals of protein, 900 cals of fat, and maybe 400 cals of healthy carbs thrown in, which will a. help preserve what little lean muscle mass he has, so that his resting metabolic rate won’t drop as much, b. provide a much more optimal nutritional spread for fat loss, and c. give him the nutrients he needs to recover from heavy lifting, which should be a staple of his workouts, even if he doesn’t want to get huge.
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Last time I checked milk is a fantastic source of protein[/quote]
Lets assume that he has milk with his cereal, which is probably a fair assumption. Our man is 160lbs which means he needs 160g of protein per day. In three meals he has to consume 160/3 = 53.33g of protein.
I am going to be kind and assume he gets 50g of protein from a double meat serving at dinner dinner time
110g of protein to go
Also he says he eats almonds, I going to be kind again and assume he eats 50g which each bowl of cereal, 25g protein (not whole)
85g to go
But there is some protein in the bran, assuming he eats 100g per cereal, 30g
55g to go
Any milk has 3-4g of protein per 100ml. Which means our friend has to take 750ml per cereal or at least 1.5 litres total per day.
That’s before we even go 1.5g/lb protein
Listen guy,
You need to get obsessed with drinking a gallon of milk every day. Buy 5 gallons at a time and make it your mission to drink a whole gallon each day. Eat whatever else you want as long as you finnish your gallon before you go to sleep. You need to lift big heavy weights too. Squats in particular. That should solve your problem. Be prepared to look fantastic in a year or two.
1 gallon of milk = 130g of protien
Damn you ninja and your 1st post 2nd page skills…
Better question:
Who’s this Sexual_Samarai douche bag and why is he so intent on making the OP feel like he’s on the right track regarding nutrition?
Piss off you fucking know-it-all Troll.
[quote]Polish Rifle wrote:
Better question:
Who’s this Sexual_Samarai douche bag and why is he so intent on making the OP feel like he’s on the right track regarding nutrition?
Piss off you fucking know-it-all Troll.
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Didn’t mean to cause a commotion, I just think you guys are blowing his 2 lbs weight gain out of proportion.
[quote]Sexual_Samurai wrote:
Didn’t mean to cause a commotion, I just think you guys are blowing his 2 lbs weight gain out of proportion.[/quote]
No we are blowing his
“I know a lot about nutrition and read the lot…done the V-Diet” and now I am eating 3 meals a day of which 2 are bowls of cereal.
Run while you still cannnnnnnnnnnnnn
[quote]Sexual_Samurai wrote:
Didn’t mean to cause a commotion, I just think you guys are blowing his 2 lbs weight gain out of proportion.[/quote]
No one cares about his 2 pound weight gain, this kid needs to gain weight. he diet sucks, he doesn’t lift, he is on a body building website talking about not getting to big like that happens magically, he eats 1 protein meal a day (milk and cereal don’t nearly cut it)…
in summation:
Kid has no business on this forum.
[quote]Sexual_Samurai wrote:
Polish Rifle wrote:
Better question:
Who’s this Sexual_Samarai douche bag and why is he so intent on making the OP feel like he’s on the right track regarding nutrition?
Piss off you fucking know-it-all Troll.
Didn’t mean to cause a commotion, I just think you guys are blowing his 2 lbs weight gain out of proportion.[/quote]
Except that isn’t what we’ve been focusing on. No one has said anything much about the 2 lb gain other then that it’s probably not much. We have been commenting on his poor nutrition, and you’ve been defending 3 meals a day, two of which are cereal, as a valid strategy for healthy eating.
[quote]ninjaboy wrote:
Except that isn’t what we’ve been focusing on. No one has said anything much about the 2 lb gain other then that it’s probably not much. We have been commenting on his poor nutrition, and you’ve been defending 3 meals a day, two of which are cereal, as a valid strategy for healthy eating.[/quote]
Quoted for truth.
[quote]Polish Rifle wrote:
ninjaboy wrote:
Except that isn’t what we’ve been focusing on. No one has said anything much about the 2 lb gain other then that it’s probably not much. We have been commenting on his poor nutrition, and you’ve been defending 3 meals a day, two of which are cereal, as a valid strategy for healthy eating.
Quoted for truth.[/quote]
QFTW
[quote]D4NMAN wrote:
Third, my goals are to be slimmer and have some muscle. I’m not looking to be no Rambo even thought I’d love to be like that ( I mean who wouldn’t?) I just want to look trim, average I suppose you could say with muscle in general[/quote]
why post on a bodybuilding/strength forum with goals like that ?
I think thats the reason most of the real big fuckers dont hang out here and help out readers who REALLY DO want to look like Rambo
OP: I’m just going to venture out on a limb here…
If you work hard enough, you know actually lift with passion, and maybe even mix in cardio you can gasp eat every two hours. (I know people that eat whatever the fuck they want, and after a few years, huge… Rarer bread, but it can happen.)
But MarvelGirl is right. No one (other than the sexual tard) is going to tell you what you want to here, so your going to take nothing away from this awful thread. And these people, even though they may come off as rude, are actually trying to help you. Such as…
Marlboroman is 100% correct. Why come to a website about getting HOOOYGE when you don’t want to be huge? (This has been said before, but I’m borrowing the thought anyway…) That would be like me going to an accounting forum and talking about how I just want to be a bookkeeper, but don’t want to learn that whole accrual concept. No one gets a job when they go into the interview and say, “I’m looking to do this for a few years, get some experience, and you know, be totally mediocre and accomplish nothing, then move on to other things.”
[quote]Sexual_Samurai wrote:
Jeez, you all are giving this guy way too hard of a time over what appears to be nothing. Yeah the cereal twice a day may not be the best choice, but it certainly isn’t THAT bad; Polishing off 4 Sausage Mcgriddles every day? Bad. Two bowls of cereal a day? Not that big of a deal.
D4NMAN, at the risk of sounding like a jackass, have you ever thought that you might just be imagining that you’re fatter? You sound like someone who is obsessive compulsive and the mere thought of weighing more on the scale is causing you to obsess over it, which is perhaps making you think that the clothing you are wearing feels tighter than usual. Heck, if the clothing had just been washed and dried, it probably shrunk a bit in the dryer, and that might be a reason that the clothes feel tight again. I just don’t think that you’d feel a 2 lbs weight increase in the fit of your clothing.
2 lbs really means nothing on the scale; honestly, I’m thinking that you just put on water weight. If you haven’t been working out for the last two weeks and you’ve been sick, chances are you have been retaining water, and that’s OK. Obviously if the trend continues then it might be a problem, but just hit up the gym whenever you start feeling better and I think you’ll be perfectly fine.[/quote]
cereal has nothing in it that makes it valuable. Eating a mcgriddle will actually allow you to gain muscle.