I think the point is getting blurred here. We all know that there are a lot of annoying people in the gyms and it is fun to come on here and vent about it every now and then. It may not be productive, but it just feels good to bitch about it sometimes.
I enjoy reading about the funny looks or comments that people get from those who aren’t in the “know,” but I could do without some of the nit-picking judging like Prof X points out.
For all we know, the guy who made a big deal out of benching 315 may have had good reason for it. For all we know, he just got his shit together and this is the first time he has lifted anything that big; or maybe he’s just an idiot- who cares. I don’t want to hear about stuff like that.
Now the one about the guy who was doing front squats and was told that the bar belonged on his back- that was priceless!
[quote]J.W. wrote:
I think the point is getting blurred here. We all know that there are a lot of annoying people in the gyms and it is fun to come on here and vent about it every now and then. It may not be productive, but it just feels good to bitch about it sometimes.
I enjoy reading about the funny looks or comments that people get from those who aren’t in the “know,” but I could do without some of the nit-picking judging like Prof X points out.
For all we know, the guy who made a big deal out of benching 315 may have had good reason for it. For all we know, he just got his shit together and this is the first time he has lifted anything that big; or maybe he’s just an idiot- who cares. I don’t want to hear about stuff like that.
Now the one about the guy who was doing front squats and was told that the bar belonged on his back- that was priceless![/quote]
The subject is GYM MORONS,To me a guy that struts around beating his chest snorting and growling for 10-15 minutes before jumpin on a bench and barely gettin 315 is a MORON.It just depends on your point of veiw.
[quote]harris447 wrote:
geoffsherman wrote:
Professor X wrote:
weightliftr wrote:
One thing that’s strange about my gym is that there are a number of guys that are pretty muscular (considerably bigger than me), but they don’t put up big numbers on standard ‘gym’ exercises like bench press and arm curls. And, I NEVER see them deadlifting. Not sure how they got that big.
Its kind of sad. I’m probably the strongest guy in the weight room most days, and I only deadlift 385.
The biggest mistake you can make, is trying to judge someone by what they are lifting during a workout RIGHT NOW.
I don’t deadlift. If someone told you it is necessary to get big, they lied to you. I simply don’t feel the need to state that often on this site. Lee Haney liked the T-bar row over the deadlift. So do I. Quit thinking in a box.
Also, my first two sets for biceps lately is just ten reps with only one 45lbs plate on the HS curl machine. I suppose if you saw me warming up, you would assume you were stronger than me. I injured my knee last week and only threw up 6 plates a side on the leg press…and that was painful. I am sure you would look at that one training session and think you were as strong or stronger than me.
Beginners should avoid making quick judgements of people who clearly carry much more muscle than they do. Instead, how about asking that guy what he actually did to get that big? Too much trouble?
Um Lee Haney would probably make gains regardless of what he did considering that he juices pretty regularly. Additionally, deadlifting isn’t necessary in bodybuilding. If you choose not to deadlift, good for you, but I don’t think that guy was really making huge judgments, at least not as much as you judging him.
If you think that Lee Haney became Mr. Olympia 8 times simply because he “juices,” then you are a moron.
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I would like to clear something up here. I was and am still, a big fan of Lee Haney. I was young adult when he got out into the media and I remember following him from his early career all the way to his retirement. So what I am about to state is from someone who is a huge fan. Lee Haney did do deadlifts early in his career. He did the big three (Squat, Bench, Deadlift) just like many people. He did deadlifts until he realized that to achieve the look that he needed to win, they weren’t a necessity. At that point, he decided to switch to more effective (for his chosen sport) exercises. As far as him using drugs, I met him in person and looking at him, he did not exhibit any of the signs of drug use (But I am not an expert either, so take it with a grain of salt). If you see him now, he is still in good shape and is not too much smaller than he was when he was competing.
I do agree that guys shouldn’t judge how strong someone is from their size or from one workout. They might be recovering from an injury, have a weakness they are working on, or it might just be a light day. You never know. BTW, the bench press and arm curls are not the end-all, be-all measure of strength. It astonishes me on how this has become the standard of strength for some young people. Also, there is more to gaining size than the numbers that someone is putting up. People should know this if they are reading this website. If they don’t, then they have issues.
I was in the gym by myself last week because my brother moved back to college early this year. I needed a spotter since I was inclining that night. I picked one of the two guys there, kinda chuncky guy, to spot me. I got 155 for 4 hard reps and immediately captain upper body comes over to offer advice.
This guy had decent arms but no legs or calves. In fact all I’d ever seen him train was arms and abs. He also had been there all summer when my brother was working out with me but waited until my brother wasn’t with me to offer advice.
He said, “You need a wider grip to take the triceps out of it and you need to lower it to your lower chest, you’ll use less weight but you’ll hit your chest better.”
I said i didn’t care about hitting my chest and that I was using a closer grip to put more emphasis on my triceps. Anyway, chunky and captain upper body continued to talk as if I hadn’t said anything. i gave up on answering the fools in their folly and gave it a try. after doing one light set “their way” that hurt my shoulders i went over and knocked out a couple sets of stiff legs deadlifts and left still angry.
it was even funnier when i asked captain upper body how much he inclinced. “i can flat 245” was all he said. he never told me how much he could incline.
since Chris Cormier inclines 4 or 5 plates and lowers the bar to his chin I think I’ll listen to him rather than captain upper body at 24 hour fitness.
It’s threads like this that make me greatful my base has a gym. I never have any problems, no one ever bothers me, they even let me store my thick bar in the corner. Different type of people I guess. -Aaron
[quote]weightliftr wrote:
I used deadlifts only as an example…you can insert whatever other mass-building exercise you want in its place.
On everything else I said, I stand corrected. My apologies.
Except for a few very strong guys, from now on I will assume that everyone else is either:
a) injured
b) warming up
or both.
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Or you could quit assuming anything and mind your own business in the gym. I am serious when I say I can’t remember ever walking past someone and saying, “wow, he sure is weak for his size”. Obviously, if the guy is freaking huge, whatever he is doing is working just fine for him. Maybe it just makes some of you feel beter about yourselves.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
weightliftr wrote:
I used deadlifts only as an example…you can insert whatever other mass-building exercise you want in its place.
On everything else I said, I stand corrected. My apologies.
Except for a few very strong guys, from now on I will assume that everyone else is either:
a) injured
b) warming up
or both.
Or you could quit assuming anything and mind your own business in the gym. I am serious when I say I can’t remember ever walking past someone and saying, “wow, he sure is weak for his size”. Obviously, if the guy is freaking huge, whatever he is doing is working just fine for him. Maybe it just makes some of you feel beter about yourselves.[/quote]
ProfX, you are a much better person than I am. LOL! I guess it’s my powerlifting past that makes me look at people who look strong, act like they are strong, but aren’t strong and say to myself “wow, he sure is weak for his size”.
Usually, it is those that try to draw attention to themselves that I think this about. You probably know who I mean, the inevitable gym clowns. However, I expect this to happen and I don’t obsess about it. I got too many years under my belt to let this bother me. The ones that are not clowns, I usually think better things about (i.e. prior injuries, warming up, light day etc.) All of this contemplation takes all of about 2 seconds. Then I put the iPOD in my ears and get to work. After all, when I am in the gym, its all about me. Screw them! LOL!
[quote]ALDurr wrote:
Professor X wrote:
weightliftr wrote:
I used deadlifts only as an example…you can insert whatever other mass-building exercise you want in its place.
On everything else I said, I stand corrected. My apologies.
Except for a few very strong guys, from now on I will assume that everyone else is either:
a) injured
b) warming up
or both.
Or you could quit assuming anything and mind your own business in the gym. I am serious when I say I can’t remember ever walking past someone and saying, “wow, he sure is weak for his size”. Obviously, if the guy is freaking huge, whatever he is doing is working just fine for him. Maybe it just makes some of you feel beter about yourselves.
ProfX, you are a much better person than I am. LOL! I guess it’s my powerlifting past that makes me look at people who look strong, act like they are strong, but aren’t strong and say to myself “wow, he sure is weak for his size”.
Usually, it is those that try to draw attention to themselves that I think this about. You probably know who I mean, the inevitable gym clowns. However, I expect this to happen and I don’t obsess about it. I got too many years under my belt to let this bother me. The ones that are not clowns, I usually think better things about (i.e. prior injuries, warming up, light day etc.) All of this contemplation takes all of about 2 seconds. Then I put the iPOD in my ears and get to work. After all, when I am in the gym, its all about me. Screw them! LOL![/quote]
Usually, the guys I see who really act like clowns are the little dudes. Very rarely do I see some huge guy acting like a total ass in the middle of the gym. I honestly try to stay in my own little world with my music blasting through the headphones. Unless I know the guys around me real well and we start clowning each other, I stay quiet and serious.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
ALDurr wrote:
Professor X wrote:
weightliftr wrote:
I used deadlifts only as an example…you can insert whatever other mass-building exercise you want in its place.
On everything else I said, I stand corrected. My apologies.
Except for a few very strong guys, from now on I will assume that everyone else is either:
a) injured
b) warming up
or both.
Or you could quit assuming anything and mind your own business in the gym. I am serious when I say I can’t remember ever walking past someone and saying, “wow, he sure is weak for his size”. Obviously, if the guy is freaking huge, whatever he is doing is working just fine for him. Maybe it just makes some of you feel beter about yourselves.
ProfX, you are a much better person than I am. LOL! I guess it’s my powerlifting past that makes me look at people who look strong, act like they are strong, but aren’t strong and say to myself “wow, he sure is weak for his size”.
Usually, it is those that try to draw attention to themselves that I think this about. You probably know who I mean, the inevitable gym clowns. However, I expect this to happen and I don’t obsess about it. I got too many years under my belt to let this bother me. The ones that are not clowns, I usually think better things about (i.e. prior injuries, warming up, light day etc.) All of this contemplation takes all of about 2 seconds. Then I put the iPOD in my ears and get to work. After all, when I am in the gym, its all about me. Screw them! LOL!
Usually, the guys I see who really act like clowns are the little dudes. Very rarely do I see some huge guy acting like a total ass in the middle of the gym. I honestly try to stay in my own little world with my music blasting through the headphones. Unless I know the guys around me real well and we start clowning each other, I stay quiet and serious.[/quote]
I agree, the little dudes act like clowns way more than the bigger guys. However, I have run into some bigger guys that do this too. Not as many though. Most of the time, I am usually in my own zone and am too busy to notice.
[quote]ChenZen wrote:
You should see the gyms here in Montreal as off late OMG!..[/quote]
My bf and I were in Montreal recently, and we went to the first gym we found near out hotel. We did 3 workouts while we were in town- DE and ME bench and ME deadlift. We got the weirdest looks!! It was actually kind of amusing, especially considering all the other people there were rather skinny-fat.
I think I was the 2nd strongest person in that gym every time we were there!
We were asked if we were scared that we might “tear a muscle” while doing heavy dips and pull-ups. We also heard an insanely skinny woman tell some guy that she couldn’t use the incline press machine beacuse she “didn’t want to look like a football player.” He agreed that she was probably right.
He then described the difference between “twitch muscles” and “non-twitch msucles” to her. We had to go to the other side of the gym to keep from laughing out loud at them.
I thought maybe we just found a bad gym, but perhaps it was the norm in Montreal…
I train in a commercial gym that has a heavy weights section. It’s not in a separate room, it’s smack in the middle of the gym.
But there’s enough weight there to put 600 on squats while someone is filling the leg press and there are people on every one of the 5 benches. Not to mention all the hot biceps action going on.
I get a lot of questions. People ask me for advice. People tell me they’d like to do what I do, but they are afraid for their health.
I answer all of their questions. If I don’t have time, I offer them 5 minutes at the end of my training session. I don’t have a problem with communication when I see that someone WHO WANTS TO FIND SOMETHING OUT. In fact, I love helping people reach their goals, and I love spreading the knowledge that I have taken from others.
Now I will comment some of the example in this thread:
If someone ran over to me and told me I am going to injure myself while deadlifting, I would laugh in their face. I would laugh out loud and tell him to stop wasting my time with his uninteresting lack of knowledge.
If I head someone talking about twitch muscle and non-twitch muscle I’d laugh out loud again. I might even point while laughing.
And if someone tried to pat me down I would slap their hand away. Slap their hand away and tell them to get on with their schedule.
And I have absolutely no time for personal trainers. If one of them bothers me POLITELY, I will ask him if he’s written a book or trained a high-placing athlete. If he hasn’t, he’s free to move on.
I SIMPLY DON’T UNDERSTAND HOW YOU PEOPLE CAN TAKE ALL THIS SHIT.
You act as if those who are less muscular then you and less knowledgeable have more rights. You act as if it’s their right to judge you and qualify you.
Apart from this there are just idiots who walk along side you or in front of you as your doing snatches or cleans or jumping good mornings. I dont know how many lifts i have pulled out of so I dont hit someone.
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I’m new to commercial gyms, I had a home gym for years. I actually thought these morons just existed at this gym. Sorry to hear they are at other places:( There is hardly any free space at the gym. I expected open areas and platforms LOL. I was doing low rep snatches when some idiot started using a back extension machine right behind me. I was like what the ****… He couldn’t wait 30 seconds.
Apart from this there are just idiots who walk along side you or in front of you as your doing snatches or cleans or jumping good mornings. I dont know how many lifts i have pulled out of so I dont hit someone.
I’m new to commercial gyms, I had a home gym for years. I actually thought these morons just existed at this gym. Sorry to hear they are at other places:( There is hardly any free space at the gym. I expected open areas and platforms LOL. I was doing low rep snatches when some idiot started using a back extension machine right behind me. I was like what the ****… He couldn’t wait 30 seconds.
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Well think of it this way, if you acidentlly killed him its Darwinism, just thining the herd of the stupid. He’s probly one of those people who will walk right behind you as your backing out of a parking spot. I swear they want to die.
