Chuck V's New Squat Record

Training Powerlifting
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[quote]TYPE2B wrote:
masonator wrote:
It seems like people take Louie’s words verbatim too often. I personally benefit most from Westside methods by making them my own. I don’t do waves of retarded amounts of band tension or ALWAYS squat to a box, but I do apply general principles like rotation of ME work and addressing individual weak points.

I have never spoken with, met, or even seen Chuck V in real life, but I think he did same at Westside and does the same now: takes the methods and makes them his own. Was Louie helpful? Yes. Does/did Vogelpohl ever NEED Louie to be successful? NO, and that is showing through his current performances.

Just my opinion, I obviously don’t know everything or else my PRs would be A LOT stronger than 700/455/550.

I also don’t believe in repeated effort training. The Repeated effort method for me is for BBers only.[/quote]

You don’t “believe” in it? I’m going to stop “believing” in speed word, rep work, deadlifts, jumping, benching, curling and GHR’s and just do singles in the squat. Out of a mono. To multiply depth. Because those are my “beliefs”.

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[quote]IainK wrote:
bdennis wrote:
That depth was incredible. I kept thinking he was going to stop and explode back up but he just kept going down. Incredible.

What poppycock! Deep only by refference to the normal standards of US multi-ply lifting.

If we define a parrallel squat as the top of the knee (not thigh, not the knee wrap at thigh height!) needing to break the top of thigh/hip crease then CV squat effort seemed to clearly not break parrallel. This can easily be seen when looking at his right side.

Now yes there its only a vid etc, but at best it’s borderline.

It’s crazy to think some people regard that as a ‘deep’ powerlifting squat. WTF!!![/quote]

Ah, you see, when someone has muscle on their thighs, the tops of the thighs will actually be higher than both the crease of the hips and the top of the knee joint.

“Deep” is defined by the rules, and that squat was plenty deep. Whether internetATGsuperdouche thinks its deep enough doesn’t really matter. Whether or not some Iranian Weightlifter squats deeper doesnt really matter. What matters is that guy squatted a shit ton of weight while being judged fairly under the rules of his federation. If you have such a huge fucking problem with that, I suggest you get one of these:

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And go ahead and end it now, because your life is going to be a sad existence, what with all of those other people accomplishing things haunting you all of the time.

If you were paying attention to the crease of the hips in relation to the knees, you would have noticed that the squat was to proper depth. Instead, you are so intent on trying to dismantle the accomplishments of someone else in a sport that you don’t compete in (multiply) that you are forgetting to be objective in your observations.

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TYPE2B:

You’re a fucking 17 year old kid and you don’t know jack shit about what you’re talking about-as evidenced by your posts in this thread. Please do not try to misconstrue yourself to us as an expert.

It is painfully apparent that the only things you (think you) know, are things that you are parroting directly from articles you have read.

For example, just off of the top of my head:

  1. “The awesome thing about that is that only 1 out of 10,000 people have the genetic capacity to be able to do such feat.” Referring to the one-armed chin
  2. “How much stronger would he be if he had stayed at Westside?”
  3. “Everything Chuck knows about training, he learned from Louie”
  4. “The only reason why Chuck is that strong is because he is a genetic freak”
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I’ve always been impressed with the depth that Chuck hits in his equipment. Some of the other lifts that pass in multi-ply feds seem somewhat suspect sometimes, but his always seem to hit it.

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[quote]Stronghold wrote:
TYPE2B:

You’re a fucking 17 year old kid and you don’t know jack shit about what you’re talking about-as evidenced by your posts in this thread. Please do not try to misconstrue yourself to us as an expert.

It is painfully apparent that the only things you (think you) know, are things that you are parroting directly from articles you have read.

For example, just off of the top of my head:

  1. “The awesome thing about that is that only 1 out of 10,000 people have the genetic capacity to be able to do such feat.” Referring to the one-armed chin
  2. “How much stronger would he be if he had stayed at Westside?”
  3. “Everything Chuck knows about training, he learned from Louie”
  4. “The only reason why Chuck is that strong is because he is a genetic freak”[/quote]

Articles that are written by Louie Simmons, Dave Tate, Charles Poliquin, Jack Reape, Christian Thibs, Bill Starr, Mark Rippetoe, Pavel Tsatsouline, Yuri Verkhoshansky, Vladimir Zatsiorsky, Iknowus Everythingus Thatimtalkingaboutus…

Oh, and by the way, just because I’m sorry for trolling doesn’t mean I’ll stop. Plus, I don’t need to go to the westside gym to know what they are doing. Louie Simmons is generous enough to share his training secrets by writing articles in PL USA, and westside-barbell.com. Plus, he also has alot of seminar videos in youtube, and alot of training videos too.

…So yeah, I don’t know jack about how westside trainees train.

…And as I said before, TROLLING IS IN MY BLOOD, you can’t stop me from trolling unless you impale me… or if a moderator warns to ban me if I don’t stop.

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Let me post something extremely conceited:

I’m a very knowledgeable guy, I’m only 17 and yet, I know alot more than 90% of you…

lol. That’s really gonna piss alot of the veteran lifters in here.

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[quote]Stronghold wrote:
IainK wrote:
bdennis wrote:
That depth was incredible. I kept thinking he was going to stop and explode back up but he just kept going down. Incredible.

What poppycock! Deep only by refference to the normal standards of US multi-ply lifting.

If we define a parrallel squat as the top of the knee (not thigh, not the knee wrap at thigh height!) needing to break the top of thigh/hip crease then CV squat effort seemed to clearly not break parrallel. This can easily be seen when looking at his right side.

Now yes there its only a vid etc, but at best it’s borderline.

It’s crazy to think some people regard that as a ‘deep’ powerlifting squat. WTF!!!

Ah, you see, when someone has muscle on their thighs, the tops of the thighs will actually be higher than both the crease of the hips and the top of the knee joint.

“Deep” is defined by the rules, and that squat was plenty deep. Whether internetATGsuperdouche thinks its deep enough doesn’t really matter. Whether or not some Iranian Weightlifter squats deeper doesnt really matter. What matters is that guy squatted a shit ton of weight while being judged fairly under the rules of his federation. If you have such a huge fucking problem with that, I suggest you get one of these:

3000×2373 548 KB

And go ahead and end it now, because your life is going to be a sad existence, what with all of those other people accomplishing things haunting you all of the time.

If you were paying attention to the crease of the hips in relation to the knees, you would have noticed that the squat was to proper depth. Instead, you are so intent on trying to dismantle the accomplishments of someone else in a sport that you don’t compete in (multiply) that you are forgetting to be objective in your observations.

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Lol… yeah. What would he know about lifting sure roll eyes

WE get it, you two train in Lexen. Stop taking any post that isn’t a nut stroker as a personal insult.

Iain CLEARLY stated “Deep only by refference to the normal standards of US multi-ply lifting”. Do you not agree with that? Do you think that is the normal depth achieved in a multiply squat? It was never a debate about whether it was in or not. It’s not “deep”. It’s to depth, but not “deep”.

Yes, there is a difference.

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[quote]TYPE2B wrote:
Let me post something extremely conceited:

I’m a very knowledgeable guy, I’m only 17 and yet, I know alot more than 90% of you…

lol. That’s really gonna piss alot of the veteran lifters in here.[/quote]

You’re right, you’re smarter than all of us, thats why we ALL think you’re retarded and know nothing about anything.

The more you learn, the more you will realize how little you know. Till then, just shut up and let the real lifters.

Fucking keyboard warriors.

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[quote]TYPE2B wrote:
Plus, I don’t need to go to the westside gym to know what they are doing. Louie Simmons is generous enough to share his training secrets by writing articles in PL USA, and westside-barbell.com. Plus, he also has alot of seminar videos in youtube, and alot of training videos too.

…So yeah, I don’t know jack about how westside trainees train.
[/quote]

No, you don’t. You don’t know shit. You can “read” all you want, but you haven’t done shit in this sport or any other for a reason. You can spend all the time you want on the internet, but that doesn’t mean dick in the weight room. Experience and application means 10x what anything in a textbook means, and this is coming from someone that is spending his life learning the musculoskeletal system.

Every one of the threads you post on goes like this:

Type2b: “something stupid I think I read in an article”
Everyone else: “thats not true at all”
Type2b: “you’re right, but something else stupid that i’m assuming”
Everyone else: “go away, you’re retarded”
Type2b: “i’m a troll and i am retarded, but i’m better than you”

It gets old, grow the fuck up already.

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[quote]Hanley wrote:
Lol… yeah. What would he know about lifting sure roll eyes

WE get it, you two train in Lexen. Stop taking any post that isn’t a nut stroker as a personal insult.

Iain CLEARLY stated “Deep only by refference to the normal standards of US multi-ply lifting”. Do you not agree with that? Do you think that is the normal depth achieved in a multiply squat? It was never a debate about whether it was in or not. It’s not “deep”. It’s to depth, but not “deep”.

Yes, there is a difference.[/quote]

Getting to depth is all that matters in competition. Going “deep” as opposed to going “to depth” isn’t going to get you a 4th white light or a gold star.

It’s not about feeling insulted, nut stroking, or who trains at what gym. Its just that hearing people bitch about squat depth constantly gets old. I’d be saying the same thing regardless of whether it was Chuck, Bolton, or Caslow.

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[quote]TYPE2B wrote:
Let me post something extremely conceited:

I’m a very knowledgeable guy, I’m only 17 and yet, I know alot more than 90% of you…

lol. That’s really gonna piss alot of the veteran lifters in here.[/quote]

Of course you do…

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[quote]TYPE2B wrote:
Let me post something extremely conceited:

I’m a very knowledgeable guy, I’m only 17 and yet, I know alot more than 90% of you…

lol. That’s really gonna piss alot of the veteran lifters in here.[/quote]

What do your lifting numbers look like?

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lol

That was not a deep squat. It would almost certanly not be passed in a fed that has strict standards of depth. Whether that’s you thing or not. It obviously passed the day of the comp and it is obviously deeper than most mulit-ply squats have seen, which often is quite frankly a joke. One which the majority of powerlifters outside the US (and many inside infact) have a good laugh about lol

As for ‘moaning’ about squat depth getting ‘old’. Well it’d stop if high standards were enforced in some feds. Either that of stop calling it powerlifting.

Maybe Nosebleedhighnotlockedoutlifting :slight_smile: Then you can go and do what you want with bells on! lol

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[quote]IainK wrote:
lol

That was not a deep squat. It would almost certanly not be passed in a fed that has strict standards of depth. Whether that’s you thing or not. It obviously passed the day of the comp and it is obviously deeper than most mulit-ply squats have seen, which often is quite frankly a joke. One which the majority of powerlifters outside the US (and many inside infact) have a good laugh about lol

As for ‘moaning’ about squat depth getting ‘old’. Well it’d stop if high standards were enforced in some feds. Either that of stop calling it powerlifting.

Maybe Nosebleedhighnotlockedoutlifting :slight_smile: Then you can go and do what you want with bells on! lol[/quote]

So other people now have to align themselves with the “high standards” put forth by the almighty IPF or its not powerlifting? Pretty sure one of the main reasons why there are so many different feds now is due to the fact that people go tired of putting up with the IPF’s bullshit to begin with.

Since you want to put it that way, that bullshit you guys do where you walk the weights out, wear less than 2 plys of material, and have rulebooks that look more like engineering texts (% of ass on the bench, stroke length, etc) than rulebooks, isn’t powerlifting. You can call it something else.

Btw, all of these squats got at least one red for depth in the IPF or USAPL. High standards of judging my ass, that’s not strict judging, its inconsistent with the rules. In other sports, referees who penalize participants for offenses that they didn’t commit are booed. In the IPF, they call it “having high standards”.

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[quote]Stronghold wrote:
IainK wrote:
lol

That was not a deep squat. It would almost certanly not be passed in a fed that has strict standards of depth. Whether that’s you thing or not. It obviously passed the day of the comp and it is obviously deeper than most mulit-ply squats have seen, which often is quite frankly a joke. One which the majority of powerlifters outside the US (and many inside infact) have a good laugh about lol

As for ‘moaning’ about squat depth getting ‘old’. Well it’d stop if high standards were enforced in some feds. Either that of stop calling it powerlifting.

Maybe Nosebleedhighnotlockedoutlifting :slight_smile: Then you can go and do what you want with bells on! lol

So other people now have to align themselves with the “high standards” put forth by the almighty IPF or its not powerlifting? Pretty sure one of the main reasons why there are so many different feds now is due to the fact that people go tired of putting up with the IPF’s bullshit to begin with.

Since you want to put it that way, that bullshit you guys do where you walk the weights out, wear less than 2 plys of material, and have rulebooks that look more like engineering texts (% of ass on the bench, stroke length, etc) than rulebooks, isn’t powerlifting. You can call it something else.

Btw, all of these squats got at least one red for depth in the IPF or USAPL. High standards of judging my ass, that’s not strict judging, its inconsistent with the rules. In other sports, referees who penalize participants for offenses that they didn’t commit are booed. In the IPF, they call it “having high standards”.

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They must give the judges some complimentary weed to smoke during the meet.

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[quote]TYPE2B wrote:
masonator wrote:
It seems like people take Louie’s words verbatim too often. I personally benefit most from Westside methods by making them my own. I don’t do waves of retarded amounts of band tension or ALWAYS squat to a box, but I do apply general principles like rotation of ME work and addressing individual weak points.

I have never spoken with, met, or even seen Chuck V in real life, but I think he did same at Westside and does the same now: takes the methods and makes them his own. Was Louie helpful? Yes. Does/did Vogelpohl ever NEED Louie to be successful? NO, and that is showing through his current performances.

Just my opinion, I obviously don’t know everything or else my PRs would be A LOT stronger than 700/455/550.

I myself don’t agree with certain things that Louie preaches. First of all, 90% or more of your success in powerlifting is mainly determined by your MAXIMAL STRENGTH. Speed strength is just a bonus. The main reason, for example, why Rezazadeh can squat 800+ pounds RAW, (which he probably did with even more depth than Vogehlpol’s) is because is max strength is super high. He didn’t use any type of dynamic effort training for his squat. It’s all in his base strength… It is also the reason why he has a 500+ clean and jerk.

Just like what I posted in another thread: Max effort training provides the meat, dynamic effort training cooks it.

If you are truly a beast, it won’t matter if your meat is cooked nor if it has any special grandma seasoning, YOU JUST EAT IT!

I hope you get the metaphor and I am truly sorry for the trolling. I just can’t help it…[/quote]

2 questions

1: What are you smoking?
2: Where can I get it?

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[quote]masonator wrote:

They must give the judges some complimentary weed to smoke during the meet.[/quote]

Nope. It’s against their “Drug Free Policy”.

That’s good old fashioned natural idiocy right there man. Just like the good old days.

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[quote]Stronghold wrote:
masonator wrote:

They must give the judges some complimentary weed to smoke during the meet.

Nope. It’s against their “Drug Free Policy”.

That’s good old fashioned natural idiocy right there man. Just like the good old days.[/quote]

Multiply hating’s ghey cos it’s done by weak guys afraid to put on the equipment, but IPF hating’s cool?

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[quote]Hanley wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
masonator wrote:

They must give the judges some complimentary weed to smoke during the meet.

Nope. It’s against their “Drug Free Policy”.

That’s good old fashioned natural idiocy right there man. Just like the good old days.

Multiply hating’s ghey cos it’s done by weak guys afraid to put on the equipment, but IPF hating’s cool?[/quote]

Multiply hating is annoying because every asshole’s got their opinion on it and feels like they need to remind everyone of it constantly. No one in multiply tries to tell anyone in any other federation how they should be doing things. We do our thing, we have fun, and besides for getting irritated with every discussion of it getting hijacked like this thread did, we don’t give a fuck what anyone else things about it. Would be nice to talk about a multiply WR without some twat having to shit his opinion into the thread EVERY SINGLE TIME though.

IPF hating seems necessary given the extraordinary amount of hubris displayed by that organization and some of its members. Even if it were possible to hold a moral and intellectual monopoly on powerlifting, the IPF would be far from holding it.

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[quote]Hanley wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
masonator wrote:

They must give the judges some complimentary weed to smoke during the meet.

Nope. It’s against their “Drug Free Policy”.

That’s good old fashioned natural idiocy right there man. Just like the good old days.

Multiply hating’s ghey cos it’s done by weak guys afraid to put on the equipment, but IPF hating’s cool?[/quote]

I hate all bullshit judging equally.