Christianity vs. Judaism vs. Islam

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dahn…I guess you haven’t heard of that guy called ALBERT EINSTEIN. Early in his life and studies…Einstein did not believe in God. The further his studies into physics evolved…the more he came to believe in God til eventually he was a COMPLETE believer in God!
Somne things I should correct you on: Newton was a Creationist!
Other Creationists who founded modern science:
Kepler-Astronomy
Pascal-Hydrostatics
Boyle-Chemistry
Newton-Physics
Steno-Stratigraphy
Faraday-Magnetic Theory
Babbage-Computers
Agazzi-Ichthyology
Simpson-Gynecology
Mendel-Genetics
Pasteur-Bacteriology
Kelvin-Thermodynamics
Lister-Antiseptic surgery
Maxwell-Electrodynamics
Ramsay-Isotopic chemistry

Robert Jastrow, founder and former director of NASAs Goddard Institute for Space Studies, has summarized in his book GOD AND THE ASTRONOMERS, saying, “Now there are three lines of evidence-the motions of the galaxies, the law of thermodynamics, and the life story of the stars-pointed to one conclusion: All indicated that the Universe had a beginning.”
For example; the 2nd Law of thermodynamics says the amount of USABLE energy in any closed system (which the whole universe is) is decrasing. Everything is tending tword disorder and the universe is running down. Now, if the overall amount of energy stays the same, but we are running out of usable energy, then what we started with was not an infinite amount. You can’t run out of an infinite amount. This means that the universe is and has always been…FINITE.

The big thing Darwin missed because he died too soon was DNA!! He thought that a blob of gelatin was just that. Without electron microscopy and now ultra new tools to analyze the lanquage and sequencing of DNA…he had no clue how intricate the basic cell was! And do I dare mention the structure and intricacy of the ATOM??? Its pure madness to propose that something that clearly shows ORDER AND ORGANIZATION…just happened to be that way because of CHANCE!! If I believe in those ASTRONOMICAL integers of pure chance…committ me to a mental hospital because I have left the world of the sane for the INSANE!
The famous astronomer Sir Fred Hoyle compares it to lining up 10 to the 50th power (ten with fifty zeros after it) blind people, giving each one a scrambled Rubitz Cube, and finding that they all solve the cube at the same moment!!!

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PtrDR "Biltritewave…NON primary sources? oh…you must be alluding to the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and the book of Acts all of the books that Paul wrote…remember…he had a 1 on 1 encounter with Christ. Hmm…thats pretty much most of the New Testament. Are you going to stick by your claim about “nonprimary sources” bro???

tink bout dat… "

Please tell m you are joking. Those are not primary sources and were written anywere from 60 AD to 300 AD. They are not written by the the Evangelists at all. Please tell me that you know that? I mean I learned that in like 7th grade Religion. Taught by Monks who have given their lives to studying and knowing about these things. If you chose to ignore the historical data because you need it to strengthen your faith so be it…but these very devote people don’t. Lets just get the facts straight here…And the ones you mentioned only include gospels that are included in the modern New Testament. Not Gospels such as Thomas’ which have Jesus performing miracles from the craddle etc. I believe that those were rejected during the Council of Nicea circe 350 A.D. The New Testament was not written anywhere near the time of “J.C.”

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"Jesus died in 33 C.E.
Matthew’s gospel was completed in c.41 C.E.
Mark’s was completed in c.60-65
Luke’s was completed in c.56-58
John’s was completed after he recieved the Revelation. That was 98 C.E.

In every case, you are wrong about 100-300 years. That is a fact of secular history.

I do understand what you are saying though. "

First of all your initial date is off due to changes in the calendar adopted in the middle ages. As dumb as it sounds Jesus was actually born in 4 B.C. so you are off with that. The other dates are also off a bit, but I have to look them up on reliable source that I can site on here. I will be back. Either way, there is not a single person that knows whats what that thinks they were written by the “evangalists” or in real time.

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I will also note that there is but a single historical reference to “jesus” in roman and greek sources of the time, and a non descript one at that.

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what is the probability that my mom and my dad would have another kid with the exact same dna sequence that i have… infinitesimal. and yet here i am. same shit with you… there are more possible outcomes of a game of chess than there are atoms in the universe… does that mean any given chess game is divine because the odds of it occuring were so low? hell no.

just because things are what they are and because the odds of it being that way are way low, that does not mean there is a god… if an almighty all knowing god heard this logic he would laugh… because it simply doesn’t work that way.

if things are seemingly complex then there will probably be a time when we will figure it out…

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All a’ya fucking sumbitches having a religious discussion whithout it deteriorating into a slugfest of epitaths and melange of slung mud should stop for a second and…

Oh…wait…

Carry on…and thank you.

Cup “Oh look! it has found it’s own level” Cake

“My name is Linus, and I am your God”

~ Linus Torvalds

P.S Yes, one day I WILL tire of rippin’ off poor ol’ Danny McV…but not quite yet…

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Sorry to jump in late
Uhler and Bilterite…here are the dates approximated by most scholars
Mark 66-70 CE (John Mark,travelling partner of Paul, not witness to events
Matthew 80-85 CE (uses alot of Mark and was probably not a witness to events)
Luke/Acts 85 -90 CE (written by Luke, who was a travelling companion of Paul, not student of Jesus)
John 90-95 CE (anonymous, but first edition most likely attributed to John, son of Zebedee (disciple), later editions attributed to his students)

Thomas - probably earliest of all and similar to what the Mark narrative was based on ( around 50 CE - 100CE)( modern new testament? never a canonical gospel and only used by early Coptic church)

The letters attributed to Paul (not all are considered his) were written between 50 and 62 CE - the earliest Christian writings.
“all of the books that Paul wrote…remember…he had a 1 on 1 encounter with Christ.” note this is the resurrected christ, a spirit. unknown when Paul was born, contemporary of jesus but no reported contact

Oh and yeah Revelation (most likely John of Patmos, no relation to gospel except time period)

Uhler -
You are incorrectly playing with words here. “As to this thread, I researched Judaism, Islam, and Christianity. I wasn under the impression from going to the libaray, that the Jews worship Yahweh (or Jehovah), Christians worship Jehovah, but doint it through the teachings of Christ. He fulfilled the old Law, and Muslims worship Allah based on the teachings of Muhammed (sp?). Those really aren’t the same God.”

Allah is the Arabic word for God, it is used by Christians, Jews, and Muslims alike in the Arab world. YHWH or JVWH (no real vowels in hebrew)or Yahweh or Jehovah (which is a real corruption), is the personal name of God is equivalent to where your bible uses LORD or GOD(caps)…all which represent the name of GOD given to Moses that was lost due to the fact that is was improper to say the name of God…however all refer to THE ONE and the SAME GOD.

gt1370a -
“Jews and Muslims both come from Abraham, but Jews came from Abraham’s wife and Muslims came from his maidservant.”
Although it was his maidservant, her name was Hagar, her son was Ishmael, and this was his first child and “as for the son of the slave woman, I will make a nation of him”
no shame in that

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Thinkin,

I appreciate your comments. It’s been awhile since I researched other reilgions extensively. I apologize for giving the wrong impression.

All,

It’s obvious that we can all quote sources that will give slightly different dates. I will say this about myself.

I am convinced that there is a God who has an active interest in the events on earth. I believe Him to have created all things. I believe Him to be both omnipotent and omniscient. As the creator, he has the right to create and set laws, both physical and moral.

As an omnipotent and omniscient being, God has the right to outline certain requirements of those who worship Him. I think that it is reasonable given the above, that He would communicate through a medium that could get to everyone and a medium that wouldn’t go out of date. I believe that the bible is the word of God. The argument that it is old and outdated is not a very good one , IF you accept God is omniscient and omnipotent. Because someone who had those abilities could author a book (even using imperfect men) that would be both accurate and last through generations.

I’m not going to preach here. That is just where I come from. I won’t belabor my beliefs on anyone here at this forum. The reason I state my basic belief is because we can all do that here. Whether we profess Christianity, Judaism, Islam, etc., none of us will change each other. But it does put a whole lot of different perspectives in one place.

To any who think I was preaching above, I apologize. I am just presenting my views. This has been an interesting thread.

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Last night I watched the final installment of the Lord of the Rings. I read the books many years ago. These movies are the best that have been made…BAR NONE.

I did some research on Tolkien.
Seems this geneius is/was a Christian and believed the BIBLE to be the authentic word of God and that Jesus Christ…is God…was crucified…and resurrected on the 3rd day.

So, to the real smart guys out there who think Christians are stupid…blind…and weak people in need of a crutch; I guess we will now add JR Tolkien to the list of geneius’s but idiotic believers!
BTW; I also found out that Tolkien was personal friends of the famous writer…CS Lewis and was helpful in Lewis leaving atheism for Jesus…

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Look Ptr, the Bible was written by human beings. The word of God can be something as simple as complimenting someone. The Bible isn’t right as in other writings are wrong. There is no religion that is absolutely correct. The teachings of Christ are important, not the “miracles” he worked. The “miracles” is the fear factor. Christ’s teachings are enough. I wonder when Christ made the blind see if he wasn’t in fact just illuminating someone to his teachings? If you sit there and say the Bible is the word of God you are attempting to exclude all other writings as fact. Now all of a sudden its “us against them”.

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cmon man… just because a few notable people profess to be creationists, that doesn’t mean it’s absolutely correct.

some notable people hae been extreme racists… does that mean their ideologies are the ones to follow?

what do you think of my probability argument… exactly… you cant face the facts… the existence of highly unlikely situations doesnt imply divine intervention.

lord of the rings… what the hell does that have to do with this… in fact tolkein might have said that he was a christian to get all the black-magic accusers off his back… i know i would.

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I am wondering why Hinduism hasn’t been included seeing as it is the religion with the greatest amount of followers??

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Dr. D-lo,

Just a question, what if there was only one true (or right) religion? What if God set a standard way of worshipping Him and only that way was acceptable?

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From PtrDr

“Now; Islam believes that Jesus Christ lived…but that he is only another prophet. In fact…they revere Jesus as a prophet and teacher. But that presents a problem for them when they say they revere Jesus as a prophet. If you revere a prophet…that is saying that you believe they are indeed a true prophet. Well…what did Jesus prophecy? Among many things…He prophecied that He would be turned over to men and be crucified and RISE on the 3rd day! See the Islamic inconsistency right there? They also revere Him as a teacher. Well…what was a thing He taught? He taught the He and the Father were ONE and that NO ONE comes to the Father except through Jesus! Thats a problem for Muslims.”

Sorry to address this a bit late on in the game but I disagree with the argument being put forward from the above.

Muslims do believe that Jesus was prophet BUT we do not agree with Christians as to what he prophecised. As far as Muslims are concerned he NEVER prophecised that he would rise on the 3rd day or that he was the son of God. As far as Islamic teachings go he wa scrucified but lifted bodily into heaven by the hand of God. He wasnt ressurected because he never actually died.

The inconsistancies you talk about are not there because you are applying Christian ideas to Islamic beliefs. Just because Christianity believes that he taught/prophecised those things doesnt mean that Muslims or Jews do as well. We do believed that he prophecised. We just dont agree on what it was he said. No inconsistancies at all, just wrongly applied logic.

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With regards to Jesus…there are only three possibilities. Either He was a liar…a lunatic…or the son of God…

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There is no god, get over it.

Flame on

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Hey creed…you were written about in the Bible!..did you know that?

In Proverbs it says that…“the fool says there is no God…”
want me to find the verse for ya?

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PtrDr:

In Proverbs it says that…“the fool says there is no God…”
want me to find the verse for ya?

Yeah, right. Like any religion is going to shoot itself in the foot. Since when did pushers gave you way outs? Ever seen a cult leader give publicity or space/time to others/competitors.

Same old. Same old.

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ptr, are you seeking to convert people here? or are you trying to convince yourself that your beliefs hold up to all the information that the other posters are presenting?

i think all your points and your arguments have been shot down already…

if your belief system requires you to ignore a lot of substantive information, then i pity you…