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If I can ever get all my nagging injuries sorted I would like to try one of these STREND challenges.
It’s based on 5 strength exercises (bench press, wide grip pull up, military press, chin up and bar dip) and a 3 mile run.
[quote]2274 wrote:
Franck wrote:
Tim Henriques wrote:
Chin-ups are great but they are pretty hard to judge. What can you do with your feet/legs? Can you chin touch the bar, where is the judge to see that (ie the lifter is much higher than a sitting judge in that meet).
BTW 270 lbs is a massive chin-up, that should be on video tape. Anything over 135 or 350 total is pretty impressive IMO.
Actually not that hard to judge. Two simple rules:
1/ From a dead hang, no leg drive/body english.
2/Pull your body up until your upper chest actually touches the bar (FULL ROM) Somewhat like the “touch and go” of the bench press.
And yes 270 lbs chin is massive! Was that full ROM chin? Did the guy’s chin at least clear the bar? Or was it a 1/4 chin? Such an impressive claim should be on video!
Yeah, I wish I had a video of that too. That was 4 years ago. I took a hiatus from that for a long time. Now, I’m lucky if I could do a single with 4 plates.
It was full ROM, from a dead hang to my chin over the bar. It was like 10 seconds, something like a deadlift that just wouldn’t seem to lockout, but it did.[/quote]
Very impressive! Congrats!
[quote]Franck wrote:
1/ From a dead hang, no leg drive/body english.
2/Pull your body up until your upper chest actually touches the bar (FULL ROM) Somewhat like the “touch and go” of the bench press.
And yes 270 lbs chin is massive! Was that full ROM chin? Did the guy’s chin at least clear the bar? Or was it a 1/4 chin? Such an impressive claim should be on video!
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I hear you in theory, but the legs are tough to judge in reality. Almost everyone’s legs move some so can the knees bend, can the legs come forward, do they have to be in line with the upper body? You can go super strict but then everyone’s weights come way down.
For example a standing strict curl just says the body must be upright but that is actually hard to judge as well, that is why most organizations have gone to curls up against the wall. Allowing a tiny bit of body english will bump up the numbers by 10% or more.
Again, I am not saying it is impossible but the nuances of counting one lift vs another can be tough on that lift.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
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If I can ever get all my nagging injuries sorted I would like to try one of these STREND challenges.
It’s based on 5 strength exercises (bench press, wide grip pull up, military press, chin up and bar dip) and a 3 mile run.
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Also known as the “I have no leg mass” challenge 
I don’t like the idea of touching the chest as a rule for competition. I can’t touch my chest with my bodyweight alone, but I can do a chin up, chin over the bar, and hold it for 5 seconds with 90lbs extra. For me it’s not that I’m not strong enough, I just can’t get to that position, and some people will be at a big disadvantage here.
You could never do a chin up for reps in competition if you wanted to keep it strict. It would have to be for a max. Before people tell me powerlifting is about a max and not reps, I’m refering to Tim’s suggestion about including it in strongman.
I would like the idea of chin up for reps, strongman style, any way you can get over the bar, but there would have to be an “up” command at the least, preferably “down” and “up”.
[quote]Donut62 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=587724
If I can ever get all my nagging injuries sorted I would like to try one of these STREND challenges.
It’s based on 5 strength exercises (bench press, wide grip pull up, military press, chin up and bar dip) and a 3 mile run.
Also known as the “I have no leg mass” challenge :)[/quote]
Us skinny guys need a place to excel.
[quote]threewhitelights wrote:
I don’t like the idea of touching the chest as a rule for competition. I can’t touch my chest with my bodyweight alone, but I can do a chin up, chin over the bar, and hold it for 5 seconds with 90lbs extra. For me it’s not that I’m not strong enough, I just can’t get to that position, and some people will be at a big disadvantage here.[/quote]
This kind of disadvantage can be eliminated through proper training. It’s like some powerlifting squats. The wide stance is hard for some strong people who got used to olympic squats, but once you get used to it, it becomes easy.
[quote]undeadlift wrote:
This kind of disadvantage can be eliminated through proper training. It’s like some powerlifting squats. The wide stance is hard for some strong people who got used to olympic squats, but once you get used to it, it becomes easy.[/quote]
Nope. Never been able to get the bar to the chest. Just the way my arms fall. I can’t even get a loaded bar for military press to rest on my chest unless I relax and use a clean grip (something I couldn’t do with a chin up). I know of other people that had this problem too.
Either way, it might be a cool idea in a strongman meet. I know there are crossfit competitions that do this, but after seeing videos of crossfit “kipping” pull ups I know that what they do is more a bodyweight swing than anything
No need to screw up people with long arms even more.
The disadvantage is big enough already 