Chin-Up Powerlifting?

Training Powerlifting
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[quote]undeadlift wrote:
2274 wrote:
Thanks to this thread, I think I wanna train my chin again. Yes, I used to train my chin as if it were one of the big three. My best was 6 plates, or 270 lbs of external weight, but that was a long time ago.

Actually, I’m not surprised. With bodyweight into consideration, I could chin more than I could bench, around 35% more. If someone like you trained the chin Smolov style, it’s possible to chin that much.

Still, chinning 270 lbs external weight is incredible. What was your weight back then?[/quote]

Coincidentally, I did Smolov Jr for my chins 8 times in 16 months. I did it somewhat simultaneously with Smolov Jr Squats. The sets were alternating between chins and squats. It was pretty intense. In between Smolov Jr cycles, I trained my oly lifts and my bench. I only weighed 200 back then.

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[quote]2274 wrote:
undeadlift wrote:
2274 wrote:
Thanks to this thread, I think I wanna train my chin again. Yes, I used to train my chin as if it were one of the big three. My best was 6 plates, or 270 lbs of external weight, but that was a long time ago.

Actually, I’m not surprised. With bodyweight into consideration, I could chin more than I could bench, around 35% more. If someone like you trained the chin Smolov style, it’s possible to chin that much.

Still, chinning 270 lbs external weight is incredible. What was your weight back then?

Coincidentally, I did Smolov Jr for my chins 8 times in 16 months. I did it somewhat simultaneously with Smolov Jr Squats. The sets were alternating between chins and squats. It was pretty intense. In between Smolov Jr cycles, I trained my oly lifts and my bench. I only weighed 200 back then.[/quote]

Were you ever able to bring your arms to your side with those lats?

I actually would really like to chin my own bodyweight as an external load. It looks like a long term goal for me so I’m geussing it will eventually end up being 220ish.

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[quote]2274 wrote:
undeadlift wrote:
2274 wrote:
Thanks to this thread, I think I wanna train my chin again. Yes, I used to train my chin as if it were one of the big three. My best was 6 plates, or 270 lbs of external weight, but that was a long time ago.

Actually, I’m not surprised. With bodyweight into consideration, I could chin more than I could bench, around 35% more. If someone like you trained the chin Smolov style, it’s possible to chin that much.

Still, chinning 270 lbs external weight is incredible. What was your weight back then?

Coincidentally, I did Smolov Jr for my chins 8 times in 16 months. I did it somewhat simultaneously with Smolov Jr Squats. The sets were alternating between chins and squats. It was pretty intense. In between Smolov Jr cycles, I trained my oly lifts and my bench. I only weighed 200 back then.[/quote]

Back when you could chin 270 external weight at 200 lbs bodyweight, how many one arm chin ups could you do? I am interested in eventually getting a one arm chin, so information like this interests me. Unfortunately i can only currently chin 50 extra lbs at a weight of 195.

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[quote]
Were you ever able to bring your arms to your side with those lats?[/quote]

Come clean, you really just want to know if he was able to wipe his own ass, right?

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I think adding chins would only make sense. Hell I think squat, bench, and chins or dead, bench, and chins would make more sense than the current setup. Why work the same set of muscles twice in slightly different ways (dead and squat) and then neglect all of your pulling muscles.

I also think it would be good to discourage PLers from becoming morbidly obese so they can reduce the ROM needed for their lifts.

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[quote]Tim Henriques wrote:

Chin-ups are great but they are pretty hard to judge. What can you do with your feet/legs? Can you chin touch the bar, where is the judge to see that (ie the lifter is much higher than a sitting judge in that meet).

BTW 270 lbs is a massive chin-up, that should be on video tape. Anything over 135 or 350 total is pretty impressive IMO.[/quote]

Actually not that hard to judge. Two simple rules:

1/ From a dead hang, no leg drive/body english.
2/Pull your body up until your upper chest actually touches the bar (FULL ROM) Somewhat like the “touch and go” of the bench press.

And yes 270 lbs chin is massive! Was that full ROM chin? Did the guy’s chin at least clear the bar? Or was it a 1/4 chin? Such an impressive claim should be on video!

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[quote]Franck wrote:
Tim Henriques wrote:

Chin-ups are great but they are pretty hard to judge. What can you do with your feet/legs? Can you chin touch the bar, where is the judge to see that (ie the lifter is much higher than a sitting judge in that meet).

BTW 270 lbs is a massive chin-up, that should be on video tape. Anything over 135 or 350 total is pretty impressive IMO.

Actually not that hard to judge. Two simple rules:

1/ From a dead hang, no leg drive/body english.
2/Pull your body up until your upper chest actually touches the bar (FULL ROM) Somewhat like the “touch and go” of the bench press.

And yes 270 lbs chin is massive! Was that full ROM chin? Did the guy’s chin at least clear the bar? Or was it a 1/4 chin? Such an impressive claim should be on video!

[/quote]

I would say the chin has to be over the bar until the judge says down. touching to your chest…meh.

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[quote]2274 wrote:
Thanks to this thread, I think I wanna train my chin again. Yes, I used to train my chin as if it were one of the big three. My best was 6 plates, or 270 lbs of external weight, but that was a long time ago.[/quote]

That is very impressive. Not that it really matters, but were these supinated or prone grip chins?

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[quote]Sliver wrote:
Why work the same set of muscles twice in slightly different ways (dead and squat) and then neglect all of your pulling muscles.[/quote]

I think the case that dead and squat use the “same set of muscles” in “slightly different ways” is way off the mark.

I know that a lot of people suggest that training one trains the other, but those who train mostly squat invariably do a lot of assistance work - including heavy pulling - which benefits their deadlift.

Try only training squat and bench for a year and see how your deadlift stacks up, or vice versa. Different lifts, lots of different muscles, starting with different phases from which to produce the force required.

We also have weight classes, so only the SHWs benefit from carrying excess fat.

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[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
Franck wrote:
Tim Henriques wrote:

Chin-ups are great but they are pretty hard to judge. What can you do with your feet/legs? Can you chin touch the bar, where is the judge to see that (ie the lifter is much higher than a sitting judge in that meet).

BTW 270 lbs is a massive chin-up, that should be on video tape. Anything over 135 or 350 total is pretty impressive IMO.

Actually not that hard to judge. Two simple rules:

1/ From a dead hang, no leg drive/body english.
2/Pull your body up until your upper chest actually touches the bar (FULL ROM) Somewhat like the “touch and go” of the bench press.

And yes 270 lbs chin is massive! Was that full ROM chin? Did the guy’s chin at least clear the bar? Or was it a 1/4 chin? Such an impressive claim should be on video!

I would say the chin has to be over the bar until the judge says down. touching to your chest…meh.[/quote]

I agree with Franck, If you have to pause they weight on your chest while you bench in a meet, it would make perfect sense to have to bring your chest to the bar on the chin. I’m pretty sure it would also be much easier to judge, and it would also take way any advantages that people with longer necks might get :p.

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[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
Franck wrote:
Tim Henriques wrote:

Chin-ups are great but they are pretty hard to judge. What can you do with your feet/legs? Can you chin touch the bar, where is the judge to see that (ie the lifter is much higher than a sitting judge in that meet).

BTW 270 lbs is a massive chin-up, that should be on video tape. Anything over 135 or 350 total is pretty impressive IMO.

Actually not that hard to judge. Two simple rules:

1/ From a dead hang, no leg drive/body english.
2/Pull your body up until your upper chest actually touches the bar (FULL ROM) Somewhat like the “touch and go” of the bench press.

And yes 270 lbs chin is massive! Was that full ROM chin? Did the guy’s chin at least clear the bar? Or was it a 1/4 chin? Such an impressive claim should be on video!

I would say the chin has to be over the bar until the judge says down. touching to your chest…meh.[/quote]

Why not? When bench pressing the bar has to touch the chest so why in a chining contest it should be different?
Chin/pull ups are just like the squat, most people don’t like going all the way…I guess too humbling…when I can’t touch the bar with my chest I get a feeling of failure…Sure I can clear the bar with my chin with at least 100 lbs added weight but it just doesn’t feel right (performance wise)

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[quote]Sir Crimson wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
Franck wrote:
Tim Henriques wrote:

Chin-ups are great but they are pretty hard to judge. What can you do with your feet/legs? Can you chin touch the bar, where is the judge to see that (ie the lifter is much higher than a sitting judge in that meet).

BTW 270 lbs is a massive chin-up, that should be on video tape. Anything over 135 or 350 total is pretty impressive IMO.

Actually not that hard to judge. Two simple rules:

1/ From a dead hang, no leg drive/body english.
2/Pull your body up until your upper chest actually touches the bar (FULL ROM) Somewhat like the “touch and go” of the bench press.

And yes 270 lbs chin is massive! Was that full ROM chin? Did the guy’s chin at least clear the bar? Or was it a 1/4 chin? Such an impressive claim should be on video!

I would say the chin has to be over the bar until the judge says down. touching to your chest…meh.

I agree with Franck, If you have to pause they weight on your chest while you bench in a meet, it would make perfect sense to have to bring your chest to the bar on the chin. I’m pretty sure it would also be much easier to judge, and it would also take way any advantages that people with longer necks might get :p.[/quote]

How the hell are the judges going to be able to tell if the bar is actually touching, on a bench press this is easy, and it makes sense for a lifter to pause on their chest rather then support the weight with their arms, buta few mm off the bar may not be noticable. chin over the bar is foolproof.

Lets say someone is better built to deadlift then you, are you just going to cry about it not being fair, or are you going to get your ass in the gym until you lift more weight.

seriously.

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[quote]Sir Crimson wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
Franck wrote:
Tim Henriques wrote:

Chin-ups are great but they are pretty hard to judge. What can you do with your feet/legs? Can you chin touch the bar, where is the judge to see that (ie the lifter is much higher than a sitting judge in that meet).

BTW 270 lbs is a massive chin-up, that should be on video tape. Anything over 135 or 350 total is pretty impressive IMO.

Actually not that hard to judge. Two simple rules:

1/ From a dead hang, no leg drive/body english.
2/Pull your body up until your upper chest actually touches the bar (FULL ROM) Somewhat like the “touch and go” of the bench press.

And yes 270 lbs chin is massive! Was that full ROM chin? Did the guy’s chin at least clear the bar? Or was it a 1/4 chin? Such an impressive claim should be on video!

I would say the chin has to be over the bar until the judge says down. touching to your chest…meh.

I agree with Franck, If you have to pause they weight on your chest while you bench in a meet, it would make perfect sense to have to bring your chest to the bar on the chin. I’m pretty sure it would also be much easier to judge, and it would also take way any advantages that people with longer necks might get :p.[/quote]

Cut those bastards’ neck off! :slight_smile:

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[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
Sir Crimson wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
Franck wrote:
Tim Henriques wrote:

Chin-ups are great but they are pretty hard to judge. What can you do with your feet/legs? Can you chin touch the bar, where is the judge to see that (ie the lifter is much higher than a sitting judge in that meet).

BTW 270 lbs is a massive chin-up, that should be on video tape. Anything over 135 or 350 total is pretty impressive IMO.

Actually not that hard to judge. Two simple rules:

1/ From a dead hang, no leg drive/body english.
2/Pull your body up until your upper chest actually touches the bar (FULL ROM) Somewhat like the “touch and go” of the bench press.

And yes 270 lbs chin is massive! Was that full ROM chin? Did the guy’s chin at least clear the bar? Or was it a 1/4 chin? Such an impressive claim should be on video!

I would say the chin has to be over the bar until the judge says down. touching to your chest…meh.

I agree with Franck, If you have to pause they weight on your chest while you bench in a meet, it would make perfect sense to have to bring your chest to the bar on the chin. I’m pretty sure it would also be much easier to judge, and it would also take way any advantages that people with longer necks might get :p.

How the hell are the judges going to be able to tell if the bar is actually touching, on a bench press this is easy, and it makes sense for a lifter to pause on their chest rather then support the weight with their arms, buta few mm off the bar may not be noticable. chin over the bar is foolproof.

Lets say someone is better built to deadlift then you, are you just going to cry about it not being fair, or are you going to get your ass in the gym until you lift more weight.

seriously.[/quote]

Put some chalk or something on the chining bar, if the guy’s shirt don’t get a chalk stain it means he didn’t touch it…anyway it’s not a real issue, this can be easily overcomed by using some simple means.

FullRom4ever :-b

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[quote]OlympicLifter wrote:
Back when you could chin 270 external weight at 200 lbs bodyweight, how many one arm chin ups could you do? I am interested in eventually getting a one arm chin, so information like this interests me. Unfortunately i can only currently chin 50 extra lbs at a weight of 195.[/quote]

I actually tried that once. I got a triple. I’m guessing a lot of rock climbers can chin a huge external load relative to their BW at an even greater ratio than mine.

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[quote]Franck wrote:
Tim Henriques wrote:

Chin-ups are great but they are pretty hard to judge. What can you do with your feet/legs? Can you chin touch the bar, where is the judge to see that (ie the lifter is much higher than a sitting judge in that meet).

BTW 270 lbs is a massive chin-up, that should be on video tape. Anything over 135 or 350 total is pretty impressive IMO.

Actually not that hard to judge. Two simple rules:

1/ From a dead hang, no leg drive/body english.
2/Pull your body up until your upper chest actually touches the bar (FULL ROM) Somewhat like the “touch and go” of the bench press.

And yes 270 lbs chin is massive! Was that full ROM chin? Did the guy’s chin at least clear the bar? Or was it a 1/4 chin? Such an impressive claim should be on video![/quote]

Yeah, I wish I had a video of that too. That was 4 years ago. I took a hiatus from that for a long time. Now, I’m lucky if I could do a single with 4 plates.

It was full ROM, from a dead hang to my chin over the bar. It was like 10 seconds, something like a deadlift that just wouldn’t seem to lockout, but it did.

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[quote]Stronghold wrote:
2274 wrote:
Thanks to this thread, I think I wanna train my chin again. Yes, I used to train my chin as if it were one of the big three. My best was 6 plates, or 270 lbs of external weight, but that was a long time ago.

That is very impressive. Not that it really matters, but were these supinated or prone grip chins?[/quote]

Supinated. They’re chins, not pullups.

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BTW, I think it would be unfair if I said my 6-plate chin was in perfect form. I’m letting you know that I did some kipping on that very excruciating rep. Kipping was hard, though. My legs were bumping into the plates.

As for the chin in powerlifting, I think it makes sense. Personally, I make my chin stronger so I have a strong upper body pull to balance my bench. It would be nice to test a lifter’s upper body pulling strength as well.

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[quote]2274 wrote:
BTW, I think it would be unfair if I said my 6-plate chin was in perfect form. I’m letting you know that I did some kipping on that very excruciating rep. Kipping was hard, though. My legs were bumping into the plates.

As for the chin in powerlifting, I think it makes sense. Personally, I make my chin stronger so I have a strong upper body pull to balance my bench. It would be nice to test a lifter’s upper body pulling strength as well.[/quote]

Still, 6 plates is awesome, kipping or not!

Yeah, I really want balanced strength as well. I’d train my chin even though it wouldn’t benefit me in a meet.

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[quote]undeadlift wrote:
2274 wrote:
BTW, I think it would be unfair if I said my 6-plate chin was in perfect form. I’m letting you know that I did some kipping on that very excruciating rep. Kipping was hard, though. My legs were bumping into the plates.

As for the chin in powerlifting, I think it makes sense. Personally, I make my chin stronger so I have a strong upper body pull to balance my bench. It would be nice to test a lifter’s upper body pulling strength as well.

Still, 6 plates is awesome, kipping or not!

Yeah, I really want balanced strength as well. I’d train my chin even though it wouldn’t benefit me in a meet.[/quote]

yep, me too.