[quote]Iron_Made wrote:
That seems off to me… My weighted pull up is far above my ohp. How many people can walk into a gym for the first time and manage a single pull up? Given that they are not terribly overweight I’d say most. How many can walk in for the first time and do a bw OHP? [/quote]
Wait what? Why are you comparing a regular pull up to a BW OHP? We are talking weighted…[/quote]
Yeah I think you guys are on different pages here haha. I would like clarification too, cuz either way that seems like an odd comparison to match up. Taking myself as an example, BW 220, OHP is around 250. Are you saying I should be able to do a pull up with BW+250, or 250 total (BW+30). Its possible Im exactly in between those two numbers for a 1RM weight pull up, now that I look at it. Either way doesnt sound right to me, really. Maybe I just suck as weighted pull ups though.
Anyways these kind of ratios are always interesting to see, but really theres too many factors to use any of em as a blanket ratio. Ive seen a bunch of em, they are mostly useful to make sure you dont get too far ahead on pressing for posture/injury reasons. [/quote]
I am saying that say a 160 pound guy walks into the gym for the first time. Chances are that he is going to be able to do at least one pull up. So lets say his pull up max is 160 pounds. What are the chances that he can do a 160 pound ohp? very unlikely. For me personally I have a 75kg OHP max and have a 110kg pullup max (70kg bw + 2 plates). Have I made my point clearer or must I explain it differently?[/quote]
His “pull up” max is 1, his “weighted pull up” max is 0. Now I see you were assuming BW is calculated into the weight, which I wouldn’t do personally since you wouldn’t do it for squats or any other lift. For reference, I OHP 140 and weighted pull 145.[/quote]
Then I would say that your OHP is too weak in comparison to your pull up
[quote]ChicagoLad wrote:
What’s the optimal Chest:Back strength ratio for healthy and posture? I’m at 1:1 for Chinups:Dips and I’m wondering whether I should be focusing on one over the other.[/quote]
There isn’t one. Training-related injuries usually occur while training a particular muscle group directly. Pecs aren’t torn on a back session. The CNS is wired to prevent such a disparity of strength from occuring.
[quote]ChicagoLad wrote:
What’s the optimal Chest:Back strength ratio for healthy and posture? I’m at 1:1 for Chinups:Dips and I’m wondering whether I should be focusing on one over the other.[/quote]
Call my crazy, but why not get both as strong as you possibly can? I’d be willing to bet you’d be pretty balanced…
[quote]Mad Martigan wrote:
I agree with csulli. A proper dip is a much more mechanically advantaged movement than a proper pull up. Maybe if someone is doing 1/2 pullups (as many do) or kippings, it would be a better comparison.
Another thing to consider is that a trainee with shorter arms will be much better at dips and much worse at pull ups. The obverse may be true, but again, the mechanical advantage is different.
I think a better way to approach this issue is to 1) make sure you are doing, at a bare minimum, the same # of pulling reps as pushing (1.5 -2 to 1 would probably be even better) with comparible intensity and 2) pound the shit out of your rear delts/upper back. If you do these things, you probably won’t need to worry too much about a golden ratio unless it is still wildly unbalanced for some unknown reason or it is causing you pain.[/quote]
I would thing shorter arms in a pull up is an advantage because of the reduced range of motion…