Here’s a video dedication for all biased New England Patriots fans.
A real anthem for 2007
Being a fan is cool but please don’t get too biased and loose your objectivity.
I too have used my heart instead of my brain before, and my Steelers burned me last year BIG TIME.
[quote]Hambone1818 wrote:
Again, the beating they handed to the Jets was in no way effected by the tape. They never had the tape to analyze as it was in the hands of NFL security personnel, so how could the outcome have been changed in any way?
Quite honestly, I’m shocked at the level to which the media and fans are overblowing this event. I really think people will be shocked by how ‘leniant’ the NFL is on the Pats, even after Goodell has shown he’s willing to rule with an iron fist.
If you know anything about the inner workings of the NFL, the ‘silent agreements’ among coaches and personnel, you’d realize that the real jackass in all of this is Mangini, for blowing the whistle on the Pats. They’re not the only team doing it, and while other teams employ different tactics to get the same results, they’re all ‘cheating’ the way the Pats are. Until people realize this fact, they’re gonna be very upset with the way the NFL handles this. [/quote]
LOL!
Pats get caught with their hand in the cookie jar, and you somehow twist it into meaning that the Jets’ coach is the jackass?
Homer much?
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
So funny, when ESPN was running Playmakers everybody said it was unrealistic. Yet the last 2 years I’ve seen more scandals than Playmakers ever had.
Cheat if you have to but pay the price if you get caught. They had to cheat to win against the Jets they should forfeit that game. Unless they can prove they’ve done it before let them keep the rings. [/quote]
Again, they didn’t even have access to the video against the Jets, it was in the hands of NFL security. Absolutely no advantage there.
Because, as I’ve mentioned in other posts, they’re not the only team doing it. It was mentioned on ESPN News today that as many as 10 other teams are emplying the same tactics during games. And the other 21 teams hire lip readers. Again, they ALL do it. And yes, I understand the Pats were the team to be ‘caught’ (more ‘told on’ than caught), and should be punished accordingly.
But give it time…the hatred toward the Pats and Belichick is what’s driving this media circus, in time cooler heads will prevail, more information will come to light, and people will realize that they’re one of 32 teams trying to gain a competitive advantage. Nothing more, nothing less.
So the penalty just came down. 750k for the pats, 500k for Belicheck. I just want this shit over with its being way way way overblown. Sportcenter went over some recent similar events in sports. And this is what bothers me. In the late 1990’s Jimmy Williams the Red Sox Manager was convinced the cleveland indians where using a camera in the outfield to steal signals. MLB made them cover the camera. I am a Red Sox fan and I never heard anything about it. We are talking about knowing where the ball is going for baseball, that is the game, its probably even a more profound impact than on the football field. And I dont remember hearing how the cleveland indians were a bunch of cheaters. This whole things is way overblown.
[quote]chillain wrote:
Some interesting posts in this thread, esp from those with a player’s perspective.
Also some real nonsense posts here, thanks to Shadowzz. When I’m looking for a bunch of immature name-calling and cussing, I’m usually visiting other websites.
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When I wanna hear whiny bitching I usually visit other websites, but hey, whatta gonna do.
[quote]chillain wrote:
Some interesting posts in this thread, esp from those with a player’s perspective.
Also some real nonsense posts here, thanks to Shadowzz. When I’m looking for a bunch of immature name-calling and cussing, I’m usually visiting other websites.
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Im standing up for my team against some unfair criticism.
To those that think that stealing plays “doesn’t matter much” or affect the game in a meaningful way:
If that were true, why would the coach risk so much in order to do it?
If stealing plays doesn’t help him win, why would Belichik being doing it in the first place?
[quote]Hambone1818 wrote:
Again, that the Patriots had someone filming who wasn’t allowed on the sidelines is the infraction, not the fact that they were stealing signs (which I can’t reiterate enough is something that every single team in all of football does). [/quote]
Stealing the signs is not the infraction - or shouldn’t be. I agree it happens all the time, and has since one sideline started using hand signals to call plays.
The other side is obligated to try and pick up on those signs - why else would a team use hand signals? Hell - I was taught to do that in pee wee baseball when I was 8. You were always taught to try and pick up a tell, whether it was a steal signal, or pitch selection.
In pop warner, you were taught to look at the running back and see if you could pick up a tell if he was getting the ball.
The infraction, in my mind at least, is that they were using electronic recording media, taking said media back into the locker room and studying it. I think if you can decipher the signs in real time - to the victor goes the spoils. I think recording it, and studying it is over the line.
As for the Pats having to give up their rings - it has nothing to do with cheating. They should just give them back simply because they are the Pats. The God’s of Football cry every time NE wins a game.
[quote]Shadowzz4 wrote:
Im standing up for my team against some unfair criticism.
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You’re doing a fantastic Public Relations job Shadowzz4.
Really though, so the league office has handed down the penalty:
‘The New England coach Bill Belichick was fined the NFL maximum of US$500,000 and the Patriots were ordered to pay $250,000 for stealing an opponent’s defensive signals.
Commissioner Roger Goodell also ordered the team to give up next year’s first-round draft choice if it reaches the playoffs and second- and third-round picks if it doesn’t.’
It is more severe than I thought, but given all the facts it is seems appropriate. ‘Patriots have been caught once before. Last November, during their 35-0 victory in Green Bay, the Packers caught Estrella shooting unauthorized video and told him to stop.’
Rules are rules:
‘Videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent’s offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches’ booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game.’
If rules are broken, offenders should be penalized.
But if you still think that $750,000 was tough read about ‘the World Motor Sport Council, the governing body of Formula One auto racing, slapped the unprecedented fine of $100-million (U.S.) on McLaren, the latest chapter in a high-test case of industrial espionage that has rocked the auto-racing world.’
Now that’s tough!
[quote]Hambone1818 wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
So funny, when ESPN was running Playmakers everybody said it was unrealistic. Yet the last 2 years I’ve seen more scandals than Playmakers ever had.
Cheat if you have to but pay the price if you get caught. They had to cheat to win against the Jets they should forfeit that game. Unless they can prove they’ve done it before let them keep the rings.
Again, they didn’t even have access to the video against the Jets, it was in the hands of NFL security. Absolutely no advantage there.
Taking a draft pick away, won’t do anything. The pats live by vets anyway.
Anybody who thinks this is nothing please explain why they would intentionally premeditate a plan to break this rule?
Because, as I’ve mentioned in other posts, they’re not the only team doing it. It was mentioned on ESPN News today that as many as 10 other teams are emplying the same tactics during games. And the other 21 teams hire lip readers. Again, they ALL do it. And yes, I understand the Pats were the team to be ‘caught’ (more ‘told on’ than caught), and should be punished accordingly.
But give it time…the hatred toward the Pats and Belichick is what’s driving this media circus, in time cooler heads will prevail, more information will come to light, and people will realize that they’re one of 32 teams trying to gain a competitive advantage. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Even funnier. Your going to say this doesn’t help that much yet 10 other teams do it?
So your telling me 10 other teams are wasting there time cheating also?
And at what point did the security get the tape? I haven’t seen this info anywhere.
Face it they got caught cheating. First Rodney Harrison then this why cry about it, you still have the rings.
Everyone is going to be eyeing the patriots closely. Lets watch the cleanest team in sports win a superbowl.
I love how everyone jumps at taking away their credibility. The talent on the team is unbelievable.
As for the Jets game, the camera was taken halfway through the FIRST quarter.
They must have stolen signals when Hobbs ran that 108 kick off back. Because there is no way he should know which way to run on a return.(sarcasm)
Also, hitting Moss from 50 yards between 3 defenders must mean that Brady knew that those defenders were going to be three steps off. Triple fucking coverage and run backs and everyone is trying to take away their credibility.
Jets sucked, Pats are good. That is why they beat the shit out of them, not because of some filming.
They will continue winning throughout the season while everyone still complains about this incident.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Even funnier. Your going to say this doesn’t help that much yet 10 other teams do it?
So your telling me 10 other teams are wasting there time cheating also? [/quote]
Have you seen teams’ playbooks, with over 700 pages in just the base playbook, along with additional sections for each new opponent? Yeah, these guys are OBSESSED with the details; if an NFL coach thought he might get one small advantage on one single play, they’d take that shot every time, imo.
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And at what point did the security get the tape? I haven’t seen this info anywhere.
Face it they got caught cheating. First Rodney Harrison then this why cry about it, you still have the rings.[/quote]
They confiscated the tape in the middle of the first quarter. Clearly Mangini was ready and waiting to take action. Nothing could have been analyzed, as by all accounts, if it were used in-game it would be broken down at halftime.
That said, Belichick, in his statement, said that they were using the tapes post-game to breakdown signals (much like every other team in the league). Apparently they felt it was beneficial and worth the risk to have actual tape on the signals as opposed to written descriptions.
I don’t condone the actions, and I’ve already said Belichick was an arrogant idiot to do this.
However, I don’t think the punishment fits the crime, and I dislike the fact that people are saying that past victories are now tarnished even though there is CLEAR evidence that Brady, throughout his career, has been a better QB in the 1st half than the second. Where’s the proof of cheating if he, in fact, shows tendancies to be worse after halftime?
[quote]Easy E wrote:
I love how everyone jumps at taking away their credibility. The talent on the team is unbelievable.
As for the Jets game, the camera was taken halfway through the FIRST quarter.
They must have stolen signals when Hobbs ran that 108 kick off back. Because there is no way he should know which way to run on a return.(sarcasm)
Also, hitting Moss from 50 yards between 3 defenders must mean that Brady knew that those defenders were going to be three steps off. Triple fucking coverage and run backs and everyone is trying to take away their credibility.
Jets sucked, Pats are good. That is why they beat the shit out of them, not because of some filming.
They will continue winning throughout the season while everyone still complains about this incident.[/quote]
Agreed, the players on the field will prove more simply by playing than all this talk and arguing ever will. They’re the most talented, best coached and best prepared team in the NFL, and they will prove that week after week this season.
Two games I can’t wait for: the Chargers (for obvious reasons, and the Tomlinson comments) and the second Jets game. I hope Belichick keeps the pain coming, I’d love to see a 49-0 thrashing, followed by Belichick going to mid-field and graciously shaking Mangini’s hand…nothing (other than another Super Bowl) would make me happier.
What a surprise. The same “Patriot-hating” suspects calling out the Patriots and taking this incident and blowing it up to “that’s how they won all of their games”. Ha ha.
The dynasty will continue this year with another super bowl win. Yahoo! Give us Patriots fans some love Zap and Rainjack. 
[quote]randman wrote:
…Give us Patriots fans some love Zap and Rainjack. ;)[/quote]
Never! Especially when SI has “Brady as God” as the caption on the cover. Disgusting.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
randman wrote:
…Give us Patriots fans some love Zap and Rainjack.
Never! Especially when SI has “Brady as God” as the caption on the cover. Disgusting.[/quote]
Ugh, I hated that one just as much as you…and I’m guessing most Pats fans feel the same way.
Unfortunately–as is the case with Tiger Woods, the Red Sox and, soon, the Colts and Peyton Manning–the national media clings to big names and big stories like Britney clinging to her flailing career. Shoving ‘America’s Team’ and the whole ‘best run team in football’ down our throats, the national media CREATES teams and individuals that people hate, simply because they’re sick of hearing about them; and that ‘Brady as God’ SI cover is a case in point.
Remember half a decade ago when the underdog Patriots were taking down the unbeatable ‘Greatest Show on Turf’, the Red Sox were still the lovable losers, and Tiger Woods had broken out of his ‘phenom’ status to become the invincible player who might take down the records of the somewhat surly Nichlaus?
Well guess what? Overexposure and fantastically overdramatic stories ruled the front pages and the airwaves because, frankly, that’s what gets ratings. But it also destroys teams and creates villians where there aren’t any.
It makes me mad, and half of my rooting interest (among the Pats, Sox, Bruins and Celtics) are now firmly entrenched in the ‘HATED’ column by the nation. I can deal with it, but it makes me sad that the media has so much control over peoples feelings and perceptions.
Their first born should be sold into slavery until their debts are repaid.
Doesn’t this type of thing happen all the time, anyway? It’s called reconnaissance. All’s fair in love and football. The coaches better protect their secrets or risk losing.
The Pat’s should get to keep their rings and the coach should get a raise for going above and beyond the call of duty for doing what it takes to win. Football is so boring at least this adds some excitement.
[quote]Hambone1818 wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
Even funnier. Your going to say this doesn’t help that much yet 10 other teams do it?
So your telling me 10 other teams are wasting there time cheating also?
Have you seen teams’ playbooks, with over 700 pages in just the base playbook, along with additional sections for each new opponent? Yeah, these guys are OBSESSED with the details; if an NFL coach thought he might get one small advantage on one single play, they’d take that shot every time, imo.
And at what point did the security get the tape? I haven’t seen this info anywhere.
Face it they got caught cheating. First Rodney Harrison then this why cry about it, you still have the rings.
They confiscated the tape in the middle of the first quarter. Clearly Mangini was ready and waiting to take action. Nothing could have been analyzed, as by all accounts, if it were used in-game it would be broken down at halftime.
That said, Belichick, in his statement, said that they were using the tapes post-game to breakdown signals (much like every other team in the league). Apparently they felt it was beneficial and worth the risk to have actual tape on the signals as opposed to written descriptions.
I don’t condone the actions, and I’ve already said Belichick was an arrogant idiot to do this.
However, I don’t think the punishment fits the crime, and I dislike the fact that people are saying that past victories are now tarnished even though there is CLEAR evidence that Brady, throughout his career, has been a better QB in the 1st half than the second. Where’s the proof of cheating if he, in fact, shows tendancies to be worse after halftime?
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What’s the purpose of having rules if you the punishment is going to to be something the team doesn’t care about? This isn’t some in the game rule where your emotions get the best of you. You took time at your life to intentionally break the rule. You should be fined what $1000. The bench players could cover that.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
What’s the purpose of having rules if you the punishment is going to to be something the team doesn’t care about? This isn’t some in the game rule where your emotions get the best of you. You took time at your life to intentionally break the rule. You should be fined what $1000. The bench players could cover that.[/quote]
I guess my issue is the RELATIVE size of the penalty. It is the maximum allowable fine that can be dished out to a coach. It is a first round pick (as long as they make the playoffs) as opposed to the 3rd rounder the Broncos got when they intentionally went over the salary cap. To me it says that what the Patriots did–which is have an unauthorized camera on the sidelines, nothing more–is worse than intentionally going over the salary cap in order to sign better players (if I remember correctly, it was so they could sign Terrell Davis).
Anyway, this has been an interesting week and it’s all leading up to a HUGE matchup on Sunday night. In a few weeks, as with everything these days, it’ll all blow over and most people will forget all about that pesky little camera.