Changing a Fat Boy

Training Beginners
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[quote]Zagman wrote:
I also have no aversion to point out bad advice or call people out when they give it, especially advice which doesn’t address the problem and would require reversion to the bad habits that are trying to be broken. If others want to give advice, that is great, I love to hear other’s opinions; I will just point out bad advice when someone gives it.[/quote]

But where is all this “bad advice” in that post by samfarkus?!

The guy stated that “Simple carbs should just be eliminated and complex ones in moderation.” He also included a rant about carbs in general: particularly appropriate advice for someone who’s primary dietary goal should be taming insulin. And lastly, he included some practical tips about dealing with McDonalds and snack food in general: relevant advice again, because the “bad habits” that take someone well over 300lbs do not exactly go away overnight.

Sounds like plenty of solid, real-world advice there that can help the OP get some momentum going as he works towards implementing the permanent, lifestyle changes that you are wisely recommending. See how that works?

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Sounds like to me the OP is doing just fine going cold turkey. Why introduce the ability to make excuses? Because that’s what it is. Once you say…“well if you feel like McDs, just do this” you allow people to say ‘oh its ok I’m making it healthy’. Fuck that. I’m with Zagman on this one. Now usually people in this situation end up starting the process with small ‘baby steps’ and gradually get stricter from there as they progressively mature into a new lifestyle. That’s how I usually approach things. But when you get a person that can just shut the door in one or two big steps, I don’t like opening the door again. That allows a person to rationalize and go backwards. We all know that no one person holds the patent on fat loss, as you said. But why introduce things if the situation does not call for it?

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Breakfast CALORIES CARBS FAT PROTEIN

Egg, fresh, 4 large 298 2 20 25
Jimmy dean Turkey Sausage, 2 serving 240 2 14 26
Aunt Millie’s Multi-Grain Bread, 2 Slice 120 24 1 4

Lunch

Beef, top sirloin, 7.5 oz 429 0 17 65
Broccoli, cooked, 216 grams 76 16 1 5

Dinner

Beef, top sirloin, 6.6 oz 378 0 15 57
Chicken Breast, no skin, 2.7 ounces 84 0 1 18
Broccoli, fresh, 0.5 cup, chopped 12 2 0 1
Green Peppers (bell peppers), 1 cup, strips 38 9 0 1
Onions, raw, 0.25 cup, chopped 15 3 0 0

Daily Totals: 1,690 59 69 202

my energy level was low all day … Hey dumbass thats probably because you didn’t eat!

So yeah yesterday sucked and today is a new day.

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[quote]chillain wrote:

But where is all this “bad advice” in that post by samfarkus?!

The guy stated that “Simple carbs should just be eliminated and complex ones in moderation.” He also included a rant about carbs in general: particularly appropriate advice for someone who’s primary dietary goal should be taming insulin. And lastly, he included some practical tips about dealing with McDonalds and snack food in general: relevant advice again, because the “bad habits” that take someone well over 300lbs do not exactly go away overnight.

Sounds like plenty of solid, real-world advice there that can help the OP get some momentum going as he works towards implementing the permanent, lifestyle changes that you are wisely recommending. See how that works?

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Telling someone who has gone cold turkey to go to McDonalds and just throw away half the bun, and only eat a “couple” fries? Are you fucking kidding me. Putting yourself in that situation is a recipe for disaster. He even told him that it was OK to eat candy bars, just small ones. I believe in all or nothing, especially in a case like this. When he has lost 100lbs, then he can give moderation a go. The guy was also praising Atkins, though not a terrible diet by modern standards, it is far from being a good diet. You can eat all this bacon, but you can’t have that apple; that just isn’t a long term solution.

The “Bad Advice” is summed is telling someone who has taken two steps forward to take a step backwards and that it is OK to have those bad habits that you just went cold turkey on; those same habits which threaten your life.

Thanks Aragorn.

Good job Drumhogg. Just remember to learn from your mistakes; who would have thought you would have had trouble eating enough on your new diet?

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hey mate im losing weight as well atm and ive found that eating 2000cals instead of sub 1800 cals is the way to go you dont feel flat and it dosnt feel like you are starving

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weight 351.2

measurements:

  • Around the largest part of your belly/love-handle area 56.5
  • Upper leg (thigh) 29
  • Lower leg (calf) 21 - Down half inch
  • Ankle 11.5
  • Chest: Across nipple line 56 - down an inch
  • Between belly button and nipple line (upper abs area) 53
  • Upper arm 16 - down half inch
  • Neck 18

even though I don’t see it there is progress.

My wife noticed my chest was smaller, Hence the set of measurements.

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I would recommend adding sweet potatoes or brown rice to that lunch with just meat and veggies.

I was 260 this summer and am closing in on my last 30 lbs now.

(pics in profile) I think consistency and constantly looking at your goals…create new positive habits and you will go far.

And honestly your protien is too low for what you weigh. I am not sure on the fats but if you don’t want to add clean carbs in you could easily get in some calories with good fats. I love full fat cheddar cheese (don’t think processed here think good fats)

Also Natural peanut butter is great too!

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ok where to start?
today was a good day!
todays food:

Breakfast CALORIES CARBS FAT PROTEIN

Banana, fresh, 1 medium (7" to 7-7/8" long) 109 28 1 1
Milk, 1%, 1 cup 102 12 2 8
Protein Powder, 1 serving 110 2 1 24
Fish oil softgel, 4 serving 60 0 4 0

2nd Breakfast

Egg, fresh, 4 large 298 2 20 25
Aunt Millie’s Multi-Grain Bread, 2 Slice 120 24 1 4
jimmy dean turkey bacon, 6 serving 150 0 12 12

Lunch

Broccoli, fresh, 164 grams 46 9 1 5
Chicken Breast, no skin, 4.8 ounces 150 0 2 31
Romaine Lettuce (salad), 2 cup, shredded 16 3 0 2
Red Ripe Tomatoes, 0.5 cup, chopped or sliced 19 4 0 1
Cucumber (peeled), 0.5 cup, pared, chopped 8 1 0 0
Fish oil softgel, 4 serving 60 0 4 0

Dinner

Beef, top sirloin, 8 oz 458 0 18 69
Broccoli, fresh, 100 grams 28 5 0 3
Fish oil softgel, 4 serving 60 0 4 0

Post workout

Oranges, 1.5 large (3-1/16" dia) 130 32 0 3
Protein Powder, 1 serving 110 2 1 24
Fish oil softgel, 4 serving 60 0 4 0

Daily Totals: 2,093 125 76 212

I went to the Y this evening and decided to go with
rippetoe’s Starting Strength program.
I started off with just the bar
(because I haven’t lifted anything heavier than a case of coke in years)
starting on Sat. I’ll add a little weight.

3x5 Squat
3x5 Bench press
1x5 Deadlift (I actually did 3 set of 5 haven’t read all of the book yet)

after lifting I walked on the treadmill and had a
medium - high intensity session for 30 mins.

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Now that is what I like to see.

Diet - Perfect - Check
Attitude - Optimistic - Check
Training - Started - Check

Good job on starting training. Just try and keep the rest intervals shorter, this will be more metabolically taxing and shouldn’t have an appreciable effect on your strength gains.

Damn fine work.

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Good work so far, Drumhogg! I would say to up your weights slowly, so you can work on perfecting your form. Take the time now to get it right, and you’ll be lifting up a storm in no time!

Keep up the good work!

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[quote]meechel wrote:
I would recommend adding sweet potatoes or brown rice to that lunch with just meat and veggies.

I was 260 this summer and am closing in on my last 30 lbs now.

(pics in profile) I think consistency and constantly looking at your goals…create new positive habits and you will go far.

And honestly your protien is too low for what you weigh. I am not sure on the fats but if you don’t want to add clean carbs in you could easily get in some calories with good fats. I love full fat cheddar cheese (don’t think processed here think good fats)

Also Natural peanut butter is great too![/quote]

The issue is a this point, he really doesn’t need to many extra cals. If his weight loss was starting to stall, then a little bit of a bump in consumption might help, but at this point I think his diet is spot on for his goals. As for the protein, I don’t think he really needs to add 600 calories of protein given his bf%. If he were the same weight and 10% bodyfat, I’d agree with you, since you’ve made some good suggestions, but I don’t think they will apply to this situation for a while.

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I agree, his protein intake seems to be fine. He is 350lbs, but does not have a large amount of lean mass, yet. Add in a training stimulus and I would bet he will have no trouble adding some muscle while ripping the fat off with his current protein intake which is more than optimal.

Though Meechel’s post was in response to the day where Drumhogg made a mistake and ate too little, I think if you look at his other posts you will see he is right on target.

Good Job Meechel.

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[quote]Zagman wrote:
Now that is what I like to see.

Diet - Perfect - Check
Attitude - Optimistic - Check
Training - Started - Check

Good job on starting training. Just try and keep the rest intervals shorter, this will be more metabolically taxing and shouldn’t have an appreciable effect on your strength gains.

Damn fine work.[/quote]

Thanks, Now how exactly do you deal with people just sitting and bullshitting on the press bench’s (no kiddin’ happen to me the first friggin night in the gym)

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[quote]darwin420 wrote:
Good work so far, Drumhogg! I would say to up your weights slowly, so you can work on perfecting your form. Take the time now to get it right, and you’ll be lifting up a storm in no time!

Keep up the good work![/quote]

You bet! That is the plan. I’m lifting with my 13 yr old son. so there’s no excuse not to goto the gym anymore.

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oh by the way weight was 349 this morning!

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Easy, you keep lifting. There is nothing wrong with talking, just interrupt them when it is time for your next set. Let the talking detract from their workout, not yours.

Good job lifting with you kid.

349, that is progress, keep it up.

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[quote]Zagman wrote:
Easy, you keep lifting. There is nothing wrong with talking, just interrupt them when it is time for your next set. Let the talking detract from their workout, not yours.

Good job lifting with you kid.

349, that is progress, keep it up.[/quote]

it wasn’t with me. just a group of guys sitting on the equipment shootin the breeze instead of working. kinda like the butthead doin curls in the squat rack.

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[quote]Drumhogg wrote:
Zagman wrote:
it wasn’t with me. just a group of guys sitting on the equipment shootin the breeze instead of working. kinda like the butthead doin curls in the squat rack.

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Now it is time to work at being assertive. It helps if you throw in comments that make them feel bad about not getting their work in. “Hey, sorry, I gotta get this set in; here for a reason you know.” Little comments like that, will remind them of what they are not doing. You can also try my favorite, just don’t respond, or respond with one word answers only.

Good luck, and just get your shit done, leave them to their talking.

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just came back from a walk around town and I have to say I can’t wait for tomorrows session! Plus since it’s Saturday hopefully nobody will be there and I can get to work.

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I had 2 guys doing leg lifts for their abs in the damn squat rack cage and I said are you guys going to actually use this to squat???

No we are doing legs …I looked at them like WTH! And waited until they were done and did my front squats!

Sounds good about the others advice on protein.

Consistency is everything.