And imo you deserve a thread of your own…
Thank you my friend. Not yet though IMO, give me a little while longer and maybe. :)[/quote]
O well too late lol
[quote]Trenchant wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
I wouldn’t use that in the evening, your body is supposed to burn fat at night, but you can’t lose fat easily if your body just burns fat you fed it instead of the fat it has stored itself, now, can it?
That’s imo why eating only lean protein sources and trace carbs before bed is better from a fat-loss/keep fat at bay perspective than eating cottage cheese… Not as important for a young, skinny dude though, especially if you don’t have the funds to buy a lot of food for yourself and have to rely on parents/cafeteria.
So what do you say to a youngin’ like me (20 yrs old, 180lbs @ 10ish% bf up from 140lbs in a year and a half) who literately has approximately 180 grams of fat spread over four meals from 2-10pm. I eat most of my carbs at breakfast/lifting/first meal after with the rest of the days carbs from nuts and veggies (salad w/ tomatoes, cauliflower, peas, broccoli, spinach, etc) and I do this regularly.
I do the cottage cheese/PB combo right before bed. Do I keep up with this food cocktail or would you suggest cramming in most of those fat calories prior to the cutoff (I realize it’s a carb cutoff, but is it not also a added fat cutoff, too)?[/quote]
You’re right, it’s both a fat and carb cutoff (I did not coin the term though 
Whether you need to get so strict with certain measures to keep away bf depends… Imo don’t worry too much about it unless you use a similar eating strategy as I do (I purposefully eat so much that I would get fat very fast without cutoffs and cardio…).
If you find yourself at a point where you think “hmm. I carry an unreasonable amount of fat and I need to take it down a notch”, but you don’t want to compromise your strength gains and want to just keep training normally, consider a cutoff+amcardio strategy.
Also depends on your schedule and finances, as mentioned.
Massive eating to ensure constant progress in the gym is of utmost importance when trying to get big, but the other stuff is personal preference.
I like this cutoff+cardio thing because I do not have to go on an actual diet to cut (although that would likely work faster) or keep bf at the same level and hence can easily keep progressing in strength.
No bulk-cut cycles for me (except for the last few %bf when transitioning into contest shape, I guess) and so on.
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
Oh yeah… Don’t we still have a project to complete ? 
Yeah, I know. But, what with all these people you’ve been sending my way for diet info and sports specific stuff, on top of my usual stuff I haven’t had much time to think about it.
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Haha, neat comeback. But yeah, that’s also why we have to actually start working on it for real… So that we don’t have to repeat the same stuff all the time [quote]
And imo you deserve a thread of your own…
Thank you my friend. Not yet though IMO, give me a little while longer and maybe. :)[/quote]
You misunderstood. You have no choice in the matter as Crod already made a thread dedicated to you, come on, post some
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Trenchant wrote:
You’re right, it’s both a fat and carb cutoff (I did not coin the term though
Whether you need to get so strict with certain measures to keep away bf depends… Imo don’t worry too much about it unless you use a similar eating strategy as I do (I purposefully eat so much that I would get fat very fast without cutoffs and cardio…).
If you find yourself at a point where you think “hmm. I carry an unreasonable amount of fat and I need to take it down a notch”, but you don’t want to compromise your strength gains and want to just keep training normally, consider a cutoff+amcardio strategy.
Also depends on your schedule and finances, as mentioned.
Massive eating to ensure constant progress in the gym is of utmost importance when trying to get big, but the other stuff is personal preference.
I like this cutoff+cardio thing because I do not have to go on an actual diet to cut (although that would likely work faster) or keep bf at the same level and hence can easily keep progressing in strength.
No bulk-cut cycles for me (except for the last few %bf when transitioning into contest shape, I guess) and so on.
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Gotcha. I get 4000-4500cals depending on the day but eat very strictly. I do a lot of walking around campus and when not doing crazy stuff (like Smolov right now), I hit up the bike sprints 1-2x a week and so far I’ve yet to loose abs (yes I know “you’ll never go far with that mentality” but I’ve been gaining fairly steadily on that approach)
I like your thought of no bulk/cut cycles for a while. I remember ScottM saying something along the lines of this: “Your body is like a car that you can either gradually control the speed or you can stop and go. The second option takes a lot more effort and puts more wear on the body”
I’ll probably have to make the decision to loose my hawt abz when I breach 200, though. I’m still small 
cc whats your weakest and strongest bodypart? Also what are your genetic strong and weak points?
[quote]crod266 wrote:
cc whats your weakest and strongest bodypart? Also what are your genetic strong and weak points?[/quote]
My weakest are by far my hamstrings… Probably has something to do with my computer-nerd childhood, and damn, I’ve always had awfully tight hams which made floor deads and such a bitch.
Chest, genetically actually a decent bp of mine and grows quite fast if I pay it some actual attention, but it’s the one bp I just can’t bring myself to care about. Everyone wants a huge chest, I don’t give a fuck about it
Biceps have decent shape, not enough peak but have decent length etc…
Triceps have not so great attachments except for the lateral head, but I’ve really focused on them and now they’re one of my strongest parts due to sheer pressing strength etc…
Calves are genetically ok, never gave me any trouble.
Lats attach very high, not good! They flare out nicely, but just don’t cover enough total space…
Shoulders are pretty good, but my rear delts are similar to Arnie’s in the way they are attached…
Rest is imo pretty average. Traps grew fast and are pretty nice, but yeah.
I’m not too special overall when it comes to bodyparts that stand out as much as Levrone’s delts and tris or Arnie’s bis and chest or so…
My arms are probably bigger than one would expect considering what I started with, I’m a bit like Larry Scott in that, but his still totally own mine in shape and attachment-length
Gotta say legs overall were a bitch to bring up. I’m not the best back-squatter … Deadlifts (well, rack pulls actually, floor deads were more difficult due to my limited hamstring flexibility…) and presses always progressed faster. Rows also gave me some trouble (maybe due to my lat attachments somehow?), but kroc rows took care of that issue.
I tend to get mostly backthickness out of rows and very little latwidth, so I’ve had to treat those things as seperate, even before discovering DC.
The only things that made my lats grow were Rack Chins and limited ROM BTN pulldowns and Pullups and such. Rack Chins I can do full-rom and they still work, on the other exercises, full ROM does jackshit for me and keeps me from getting stronger on them.
Weird, but yeah. I get a lot of bicep involvement in chins and pullups in the top position, too, which does not help me one bit.
#Edited.
Care to list a few measurements? 
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
crod266 wrote:
cc whats your weakest and strongest bodypart? Also what are your genetic strong and weak points?
My weakest are by far my hamstrings… Probably has something to do with my computer-nerd childhood, and damn, I’ve always had awfully tight hams which made floor deads and such a bitch.
Chest, genetically actually a decent bp of mine and grows quite fast if I pay it some actual attention, but it’s the one bp I just can’t bring myself to care about. Everyone wants a huge chest, I don’t give a fuck about it
Biceps have decent shape, not enough peak but have decent length etc…
Triceps have not so great attachments except for the lateral head, but I’ve really focused on them and now they’re one of my strongest parts due to sheer pressing strength etc…
Calves are genetically ok, never gave me any trouble.
Lats attach very high, not good! They flare out nicely, but just don’t cover enough total space…
Shoulders are pretty good, but my rear delts are similar to Arnie’s in the way they are attached…
Rest is imo pretty average. Traps grew fast and are pretty nice, but yeah.
I’m not too special overall when it comes to bodyparts that stand out as much as Levrone’s delts and tris or Arnie’s bis and chest or so…
My arms are probably bigger than one would expect considering what I started with, I’m a bit like Larry Scott in that, but his still totally own mine in shape and attachment-length
Gotta say legs overall were a bitch to bring up. I’m not the best back-squatter … Deadlifts (well, rack pulls actually, floor deads were more difficult due to my limited hamstring flexibility…) and presses always progressed faster. Rows also gave me some trouble (maybe due to my lat attachments somehow?), but kroc rows took care of that issue.
I tend to get mostly backthickness out of rows and very little latwidth, so I’ve had to treat those things as seperate, even before discovering DC.
The only things that made my lats grow were Rack Chins and limited ROM BTN pulldowns and Pullups and such. Rack Chins I can do full-rom and they still work, on the other exercises, full ROM does jackshit for me and keeps me from getting stronger on them.
Weird, but yeah. I get a lot of bicep involvement in chins and pullups in the top position, too, which does not help me one bit.
#Edited.
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sweet post very informal, I never got the lat thing, I cant tell if mine attach high or low lol. btw what are your arms measuring at these days =p
[quote]Vegg wrote:
Care to list a few measurements? :P[/quote]
360 lbs, 5’2’’ , 19 inch dick, 30 inch arms, 70 inch chest,…
There, listed a few measurements just for you
[quote]crod266 wrote:
sweet post very informal [/quote] “informal”? I think I need to send you a dictionary as a birthday present or so 
But thanks man.[quote], I never got the lat thing, I cant tell if mine attach high or low lol. btw what are your arms measuring at these days =p[/quote]
Did I say 30 inches in my last post? I meant 40.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
crod266 wrote:
sweet post very informal “informal”? I think I need to send you a dictionary as a birthday present or so But thanks man., I never got the lat thing, I cant tell if mine attach high or low lol. btw what are your arms measuring at these days =p
Did I say 30 inches in my last post? I meant 40.
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lmao ya it sounded good but maybe wasnt the right word, i spell like shit too but hey what ever haha. As for the arms, only 40 man i had 40 before i started working out ha. Is there anyone you can think of that has high lat insertions that i can go look up on google?
[quote]crod266 wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
crod266 wrote:
sweet post very informal “informal”? I think I need to send you a dictionary as a birthday present or so But thanks man., I never got the lat thing, I cant tell if mine attach high or low lol. btw what are your arms measuring at these days =p
Did I say 30 inches in my last post? I meant 40.
lmao ya it sounded good but maybe wasnt the right word, i spell like shit too but hey what ever haha. As for the arms, only 40 man i had 40 before i started working out ha. Is there anyone you can think of that has high lat insertions that i can go look up on google?[/quote]
Dennis Wolf : http://i16.tinypic.com/5z5wr3r.jpg
Mine attach even a tad higher…
Dante too, I believe, there are pics of his all over the doggpound at IM in random threads
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
crod266 wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
crod266 wrote:
sweet post very informal “informal”? I think I need to send you a dictionary as a birthday present or so But thanks man., I never got the lat thing, I cant tell if mine attach high or low lol. btw what are your arms measuring at these days =p
Did I say 30 inches in my last post? I meant 40.
lmao ya it sounded good but maybe wasnt the right word, i spell like shit too but hey what ever haha. As for the arms, only 40 man i had 40 before i started working out ha. Is there anyone you can think of that has high lat insertions that i can go look up on google?
Dennis Wolf : http://i16.tinypic.com/5z5wr3r.jpg
Mine attach even a tad higher…
Dante too, I believe, there are pics of his all over the doggpound at IM in random threads
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o ok ya i feel ya, ya ive seen dante haha. Its wierd im not sure if u have the same thing cc but my lats are my best bp but they attach kind of high its wierd haha. Were going to train together one day cc if i ever go to germany haha
[quote]crod266 wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
crod266 wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
crod266 wrote:
sweet post very informal “informal”? I think I need to send you a dictionary as a birthday present or so But thanks man., I never got the lat thing, I cant tell if mine attach high or low lol. btw what are your arms measuring at these days =p
Did I say 30 inches in my last post? I meant 40.
lmao ya it sounded good but maybe wasnt the right word, i spell like shit too but hey what ever haha. As for the arms, only 40 man i had 40 before i started working out ha. Is there anyone you can think of that has high lat insertions that i can go look up on google?
Dennis Wolf : http://i16.tinypic.com/5z5wr3r.jpg
Mine attach even a tad higher…
Dante too, I believe, there are pics of his all over the doggpound at IM in random threads
o ok ya i feel ya, ya ive seen dante haha. Its wierd im not sure if u have the same thing cc but my lats are my best bp but they attach kind of high its wierd haha. Were going to train together one day cc if i ever go to germany haha[/quote]
Deal. Though I suggest we take a trip over to Rühl’s gym so that we’ll actually have something available to train with 
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
crod266 wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
crod266 wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
crod266 wrote:
sweet post very informal “informal”? I think I need to send you a dictionary as a birthday present or so But thanks man., I never got the lat thing, I cant tell if mine attach high or low lol. btw what are your arms measuring at these days =p
Did I say 30 inches in my last post? I meant 40.
lmao ya it sounded good but maybe wasnt the right word, i spell like shit too but hey what ever haha. As for the arms, only 40 man i had 40 before i started working out ha. Is there anyone you can think of that has high lat insertions that i can go look up on google?
Dennis Wolf : http://i16.tinypic.com/5z5wr3r.jpg
Mine attach even a tad higher…
Dante too, I believe, there are pics of his all over the doggpound at IM in random threads
o ok ya i feel ya, ya ive seen dante haha. Its wierd im not sure if u have the same thing cc but my lats are my best bp but they attach kind of high its wierd haha. Were going to train together one day cc if i ever go to germany haha
Deal. Though I suggest we take a trip over to Rühl’s gym so that we’ll actually have something available to train with
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haha this is true
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
I wouldn’t use that in the evening, your body is supposed to burn fat at night, but you can’t lose fat easily if your body just burns fat you fed it instead of the fat it has stored itself, now, can it?
That’s imo why eating only lean protein sources and trace carbs before bed is better from a fat-loss/keep fat at bay perspective than eating cottage cheese… Not as important for a young, skinny dude though, especially if you don’t have the funds to buy a lot of food for yourself and have to rely on parents/cafeteria.
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I am drinking a half gallon of milk right now, its about 945 PM and you completely took all the joy out of it with this post. Thanks CC.
lol
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
I wouldn’t use that in the evening, your body is supposed to burn fat at night, but you can’t lose fat easily if your body just burns fat you fed it instead of the fat it has stored itself, now, can it?
That’s imo why eating only lean protein sources and trace carbs before bed is better from a fat-loss/keep fat at bay perspective than eating cottage cheese… Not as important for a young, skinny dude though, especially if you don’t have the funds to buy a lot of food for yourself and have to rely on parents/cafeteria.
I am drinking a half gallon of milk right now, its about 945 PM and you completely took all the joy out of it with this post. Thanks CC.
lol[/quote]
LOL
Haha, I’d drink lots of milk too if it didn’t give me so much trouble.
No worries, you’re quite lean (if your avi is still up to date?) and at your age, metabolism runs rampant in most guys anyway…
Just keep this stuff in mind for your 30’s…
Though if you have genetics like Gerdy, then I guess you’ll never have to worry about it (bastard!)
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
LOL
Haha, I’d drink lots of milk too if it didn’t give me so much trouble.
No worries, you’re quite lean (if your avi is still up to date?) and at your age, metabolism runs rampant in most guys anyway…
Just keep this stuff in mind for your 30’s…
Though if you have genetics like Gerdy, then I guess you’ll never have to worry about it (bastard!)
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Haha nope no DG genetics here (and yes he is a bastard).
EH the avi’s 18 lbs old, I put a new pic up in the TILF thread in the SAMA at 274 lbs, avi pic is from 256. I’ve put on some extra fat sure, but the muscle is well worth it.
Mind going more into depth about what you have done to bring up your hamstrings? I also have terrible hamstring flexibility, it makes RDLs, good mornings, and SLDLs more of a danger to my back than a good hamstring movement.
[quote]RossDB wrote:
Mind going more into depth about what you have done to bring up your hamstrings? I also have terrible hamstring flexibility, it makes RDLs, good mornings, and SLDLs more of a danger to my back than a good hamstring movement.[/quote]
Well, one thing is that leg-curls don’t suffice at all…
a) I have had some luck with improving my ham-flexibility (and my overall flexibility) due to the DC exreme stretches. That being said, the ham stretch (I use the standard, non-weighted one) is the most painful thing ever.
I guess that’s how woman feel while giving birth, except that we feel it in our hams instead…
c) DB semi-SLDL’s and bar semi-SLDL’s where I a) Keep the bar in contact with the body at all times(slide it down on myself and back up, but also bend the knees a tad and keep them at that angle) and also do not think of the lift as “bar up/down” but instead place focus on pushing my butt back/out (as gay as that sounds) and trying to really stretch the hams out (imagine trying to get your butt as far away from your knees as possible… Not possible to alter the distance at all in reality, but it might help you see what I mean).
I’d start light here, this isn’t an RDL after all (a lot of people turn SLDL’s into RDL’s…). Focus on the stretching and gradually increase the weight.
(note: Check the recent MD video of Kai Greene’s hamstring session where he does SLDL’s in the Hack-Squat machine!)
d) Reverse-hypers ! Also help with the compressed spine due to years of heavy squatting and pulling…
I don’t have a rev-hyper at my current gym though, I really miss that machine.
e) I don’t go too low in reps on hamstring work. Trying to do SLDL’s in the 3-6 range just means more low-back and less hamstrings for me, and a much higher risk of injury. Hamstrings are easy to injure…
So I stay with 8+ reps, often 10 (since I focus a lot on the stretch, anyway) or 15-30 DC rest-pause on lying (laying?) leg curls (only leg-curl variant that has done anything for me, but it also only trains one of the functions of the hamstrings).
f) PL good mornings (with the oddly short-looking ROM) for some overall strength have helped some, but not as much as the stretch-SLDL’s.
g) consistency My hams are still nowhere close to what I want them to look like…
Do you have a long torso, by any chance? That probably doesn’t help your low-back during SLDL’s (bad leverage).
Oh yeah. The most important thing of all: You’ll ultimately have to focus on getting ever stronger. You can stretch your hams out all you want on SLDL’s, it won’t do anything unless you actually move more and more weight for reps (same as on pretty much all exercises/muscle-groups).