[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
lol
you can lol all you want.
[/quote]
THANKS!
lol
lol
lol
…damn, it lost its humor now that I got permission. 
How do you like them Dogo Argentino’s BG? From the videos I’ve seen of them going to work, looks like a solid breed.
Also all you dog lovers should check out the book called “The Wolf in the Parlor” by Jon Franklin.
Where he hypothesizes that when wolves fed on our scraps thousands of years ago, they became cute and responsive to survive. As they evolved into dogs, humans began thinking for them and their brain mass shrank; we, in turn, lost brain mass as dogs became “beasts of emotional burden” responding to our feelings. Canines are our “touchestone to an emotional past we have forever lost.”
I just want me an APBT and a little staffordshire bull terrier:D.
[quote]Carlitosway wrote:
How do you like them Dogo Argentino’s BG? From the videos I’ve seen of them going to work, looks like a solid breed.
Also all you dog lovers should check out the book called “The Wolf in the Parlor” by Jon Franklin.
Where he hypothesizes that when wolves fed on our scraps thousands of years ago, they became cute and responsive to survive. As they evolved into dogs, humans began thinking for them and their brain mass shrank; we, in turn, lost brain mass as dogs became “beasts of emotional burden” responding to our feelings. Canines are our “touchestone to an emotional past we have forever lost.”
I just want me an APBT and a little staffordshire bull terrier:D. [/quote]
the dogo, when bred right and when you get a good one, is very good at one it does. it has the right mix of athleticism, power and grit for big game hunting. that said, show breeders the world over have ruined the breed and its very difficult to find a good one. i have one from the grandson of the man that created the breed. i’m visiting argentina in may for a big world show and some hunting and to pick up another dog from ulises. i first learned of the breed while playing b ball in the country in the early 90’s. when they are right, they are right. unfortunately, its hard to find a good one - like any breed.
BG, you got any experience or opinions on cane corso? Seems like a dog that could work, I know they are starting to gain traction in the security line of work.
V
[quote]Vegita wrote:
BG, you got any experience or opinions on cane corso? Seems like a dog that could work, I know they are starting to gain traction in the security line of work.
V[/quote]
My business partner owns a few. I tease him all the time because he knows working dogs and he cannot disagree with my criticisms. He just likes them as irrational as that may be for someone who is acquainted with real working dogs. Both his corsos are “nervy” - meaning they are not solid confident dogs. This can be common in the breed. Even outright aggression, which some people mistake for confidence, is actually a nervy dog.
Confident dogs do not bark, snarl, growl and raise thier hair at every perceived threat, for instance. But really, anything I tell you about the corso (or any other dog for that matter) will just be generalizations. The fact is, you can find good dogs in any gene pool - but the problem with many of these breeds is that you will not find good dogs in abundance or with any consistency - and that’s a huge problem.
The corso is a mastiff, not very different than many other mastiffs - meaning that they have not had a vocation for quite some time, so I’m not sure what it is they are supposed to do 
And if we do not know what their job is, how can you stress them and test them? I know some people doing protection work with them, but that is mostly pet owner hobby stuff.
Those folks are not going to remove a mediocre dog from a gene pool. They just want the dog to “do stuff” and maybe title - no matter how hard it might be (square peg, round hole). I know of no one serious in protection sport or k9 work that would choose a mastiff - and that is the real problem. The overwhelming choices are malinois and german sheppards for sport and protection work among the serious enthusiast.
If serious enthusiasts used the corso or other mastiffs, you’d have a group that would breed solely on success and remove the failures and you might after a while with a good breeding program, produce some consistency. Likewise with hunting - I have hunted big game like wild boar for over 10 years now - all over this country and I’m in contact with dogmen and hog hunters all over the country, and I’ve never heard of a cane corso successfully hunting.
You’d have to search high and low for a corso that could engage and catch wild boar successfully, as well as tolerate the physical rigors of a boar hunt (which are great).
Fact is, most people choose their dogs because they like the way they look. The cane corso, like others, has a certain look that people like. It’s an impressive looking dog. Unfortunately, it is the LAST reason you should ever make a breed choice. Especially with these large powerful breeds that can cause serious problems if they go off. I talked about temperment before - but if a dog doesn’t have a vocation, how would you evaluate temperment?
Many dogs are sweet and okay if they are not stressed. But life is stressful. Kids, strangers, loud noises, etc. Who know what will set one off? Who knows why you set off your friends pitbull? I’ll tell you this - I wouldn’t want to be a prospective pet owner in the market for a pet for one of these big breeds without a job. I just don’t know how I’d ever make an intelligent choice. The limitations of the internet really don’t allow me to fully express this concept fully. Oh well, off the soap box.
To answer your question directly, I don’t think too highly of them in general, and I do not believe they have any future in serious protection work beyond the hobbyist owner that wants to participate in sport work. There are some good cane corsos, but far more bad ones. They have no “vocation”. I believe they used to be big game hunters, but the show people have ruined that. A big game hunting cane corso is a unicorn. They do not exist
Shit those cane corso dogs look pretty cool though. Brought up this vid, I dont know shit about dogs but it still looked cool. I dont think I could train a person to do that.
typical protection trial. it takes a lot of dedication and training and the dog and owner should be commended. however, if you want to really be impressed, watch a malinois or good german sheppard go thru it and watch the difference. the problem with breeds like the corso, is when the show and pet breeders take over, they screw a breed up.
we take these breeds, and make them unecessarily larger than they were intended or for what is useful. it makes them less athletic than they should be, ponderous, tough on the hips and shortens the life span. breeding for size or a look does not consider vigor and performance. long ago, the corso was supposed to be a big game hunter. take that dog in the video. he was in good “condition” for his build.
however, you could never take that dog in the woods, expect him to trot / run miles for hours and then engage a boar (if he makes it that far) in a life or death struggle. he’d fall over dead and get you killed or injured - if he had the instinct remaining after being watered down by show breeders to engage the boar at all!
this is largely my objection to these bully type larger pits. the american pitbull terrier is the closest thing to the perfect canine athlete we have. a perfect combination of strength, athleticism and endurance. there is NOTHING they cannot do - because they have always been bred for performance - not looks. a serious breeder does not care what color a pitbull is. no one cares about how large or small he is.
no one cares about his head type/size. we care about one thing - can he do his intended job? if he can, he gets bred and if he can’t, he is taken from the gene pool. this is the only way to create superior dogs and this is the recipe:
give them a job. ask them to do the job. evaluate and breed according to how they do the job. rinse and repeat. some people will harp on health. unhealthy dogs cannot do a demanding job over years. if you have generations of dogs that did the job and survived, they ARE healthy.
taking the corso for instance - if the corso had a “job”, and was bred in this manner over generations, you would be looking at a very different dog than the one in that video. he would be lighter and more agile for one. to the untrained, some would say, “but what about power, that dog is poweful”. my answer to that is watch for yourself a 65lb malinois hit a decoy. then come back and discuss this size and power thing.
i’m not a protection sport guy, and thus i’m not a fan of malinois - but if you like this stuff, check out some of their work. you will be impressed. they are very good at that task. very tractable. very agile. very capable.
anyway, pet ownership is highly personal. we all like what we like. whiteflash likes bully pits. neelydan likes his dog. and so forth. my slant is working dogs…so that’s my perspective and ultimately, my worthless .02
this is totally random, but can you see the difference between these dogs and that corso? again, taking nothing from the corso b/c just training a dog to get thru the trial is no easy task…but its night and day. and it illustrates my slant on athleticism and size.
edit: there are videos out there with these dogs leaping over cars to hit someone, thru windows, all kinds of crazy stuff. very impressive.
look at that leap at 3:53. if you owned that corso, would you let him do that? better call the vet first and have him on stand by