T-Nation,hello
i am currently taking
Carbolin 19 -4
HOT-ROX -4
and
Methoxy-7 -8
daily
is this stack ok?
just want to make sure so i can stick with it for a while…
Have you read the Carbolin 19 product thread? It contains the answers to your questions, as well as a whole bunch of other stuff you should probably know.
[quote]gregory jimenez wrote:
T-Nation,hello
i am currently taking
Carbolin 19 -4
HOT-ROX -4
and
Methoxy-7 -8
daily
is this stack ok?
just want to make sure so i can stick with it for a while…[/quote]
Gregory,
I’d recommend using either the Carbolin 19 or the HOT-ROX, but not both at the same time. If your goal is to gain lean body mass, go with Carbolin 19 and if your goal is to reduce fat mass, go with HOT-ROX.
ok,
thanks Cy
and the Methoxy-7 ?
can i do
Carbolin 19 and Methoxy-7 together
for one month then
HOT-ROX and Methoxy-7 together
for one month
back and forth?
how long would you recomend for a minimum with Carbolin 19
and a minimum with HOT-ROX?
eg. four weeks?
im reading the Carbolin 19 page its got the answers…thanks T-Nation
To answer your last question, are you asking about switching between cutting and bulking every month?
If so, that’s not enough time. It takes a few weeks for your body to fully adapt to the change from cutting to bulking, and vice versa, leaving you with only a week or so of real time on each. You’ll probably want to concentrate on each for at least six to eight weeks, if not more.
Cy,
I’ve been taking Carbolin 19 (4 caps/day) with HOT-ROX (6 caps/day) for approximately 7 weeks now, with great success. In fact, I’m extremely pleased with my results.
Today, I read that you advise not taking Carbolin 19 with HOT-ROX simultaneously (due to risk of dizziness, headache, etc.) How big of deal is this really? I’ve experienced no adverse side effects, but plenty of great results.
[quote]PCH wrote:
Cy,
I’ve been taking Carbolin 19 (4 caps/day) with HOT-ROX (6 caps/day) for approximately 7 weeks now, with great success. In fact, I’m extremely pleased with my results.
Today, I read that you advise not taking Carbolin 19 with HOT-ROX simultaneously (due to risk of dizziness, headache, etc.) How big of deal is this really? I’ve experienced no adverse side effects, but plenty of great results.[/quote]
PCH,
Good question. Well, I can’t really say exactly how big of a deal it is or would be, as it’s a hypothetical interaction. In other words, there’s no documentation that using the two concurrently would result in adverse side effects, but, hypothetically, if both produced a moderate and transient decrease in blood pressure due to a vasodilatory effect, one could suffer the side effects you mentioned. But, as you’ve noted yourself, hypothetical risks are simply that. It may turn out that my hypothetical concerns are unwarranted as it never produces an adverse interaction over a huge population. However, in the mean time, I’d rather err on the side of caution, instead of having a large group of people feel miserable at some point in time, or worse. If you haven’t experienced any adverse effects yet, I doubt you will in the future. I’m very happy that you’re experiencing great results, but for the time being, since you’re really only one case report, I think it’s too early to recommend anything different than I previously have.
If other people decide to try such a thing, just be sure to start out with the lowest dosage of one of the products (either is fine) and assess tolerance over 5-7 days, and repeat this process until reaching the recommended dosage.
Also, PCH, if you end up documenting your progress, I’d be very interested in hearing about it. Sounds exciting.
Cy,
Since I personally haven’t had any adverse side effects, and great results, I plan on continuing using Carbolin 19 and the HOT-ROX together until I’m done with my metabolic mesocycle. I suggest other’s heed your advice, though, as I am not an expert.
In terms of my progress, I’ve gone from 185 lbs./10%bf down to 175 lbs./5%bf. In other words, I’ve been able to lose 9+ lbs of adipose, while keeping virtually all my LBM. To put this in context, I’ve been following a Cyclical Keto Diet for the past 8 weeks, in which I’ve cut my calories from 4000/day down to about 1700/day (during glyco-depletion days).
Numbers aside, I just look f’n great right now: lean, chisled, and dense.
Oh, and all my lifts have actually increased to boot!
Also for the sake of context, my other supps are: creatine (3-5g/day), L-glutamine (I know, I know), ZMA, Power Drive, caffine, aminos, Surge, calcium, Benefiber, extra Vit. C & E, and of course tons of Low-Carb Grow!, fish oils and a multi.
Training:
Meltdown I > Meltdown II > Meltdown III > EDT for Fat Loss > 10 x 3
Energy Work:
Running Man, Renegade Rope, GPP ASAP, Plyos (as per Alessi’s recs)
Cardio:
Only 15-20 min light, 2 x week for active recovery purposes.
Essentially, everything I use from this site gets me fast, quality results.
I’ve been taking both Carbolin 19 and HOT-ROX concurrently for some time now and I have noticed no negative side effects. It could be because I have very high blood pressure to start with(I also take anti-hypertension medication).