I’ve seen the reviews, but want to hear more. What are everyone’s feelings about this supplement? Is it truly just as effective, or more effective than Anavar? Would love to hear feed back.
The article in question reported that compiled results from the scientific literature for Anavar (oxandrolone) showed an average of +3.9 lb lean body mass gain from 12 weeks of 20 mg/day usage.
So comparison was to this, and comparison was specifically not to steroid cycle use of Anavar but rather to bridging use, for which 20 mg/day is a reasonable example value. Such a dosage ordinarily is intended for support rather than gains.
As it happens, this turns out to be, so to speak, one of those “politically correct” things. A person can compare a natural product to any of various things which offer some reasonable and factual level of gains and that’s okay usually, but not if that thing is an anabolic steroid, even a low dose anabolic steroid known to not produce large gains. That comparison ends up generating objections, which is not that important, but more importantly often ends up inadvertently introducing confusion.
For this reason, I think that article from years back is the only time that this comparison was published. It wasn’t incorrect, but that comparison can easily experience this problem. Thank you for asking for followup, rather than just going with the comparison!
If wanting to do a steroid cycle as opposed to bridging, 20 mg/day Anavar as the only drug taken just does not give what most have in mind for a cycle. It’s not even close. Actually at any dose Anavar alone is not a very good steroid cycle, and if done, an example suitable dosage is about 80 mg/day, not 20.
Other than those aspects, I’d think it fair to say that Carbolin 19 at two capsules twice per day is better than that. And so far as LBM and fat loss are concerned, I would rather see Carbolin 19 used for bridging than low dose oxandrolone. The low dose oxandrolone is suppressive of natural T production, is liver toxic, and having used that exact dosage myself years in the past for bridging, it’s just not a preferable way to go.
However, on hearing the word “Anavar,” many will expect massive gains, rather than first considering the dosage being talked about, or the usage, which in the article was bridging instead of use during the “on” weeks of steroid cycles.
It winds up being a confusing comparison: it’s better I think to just look at what it does in its own right. What it does is not a matter of giving massive amounts of added muscle but of substantially assisting in gaining LBM while also aiding being leaner.
I appreciate the response, Bill. I’ve heard that it increases the appetite greatly, and also causes strength/hypertrophy gains as well. That being said, it is reasonable to say it is a good recomping agent, right?
Yes, it has usually been used that way, and it seems clearly more suited to that than to pure bulking.
On appetite, there can be an increase, but it’s definitely variable between individuals.
I have always liked Carbolin 19 for the recomp effects…it is not immediate (for me), nor is it dramatic. But my wife and training partners can tell when I have used it (in absence of anabolics) because I’m much “harder” looking. Sorry about the horrible cliche description, but that is precisely what I’m told.
My question is this: one of my training partners suffers from hypothyroidism, and has to take levoxyl and cytomel. He indicates to me that taking the semi-replacement dosages of the thyroid meds can have a stimulatory effect on him. The warning on the Carbolin 19 label indicates NOT to use it in combination with any stimulants. Would Carbolin 19 be contraindicated with thyroid meds? He wants to start using Carbolin 19 now that it is back in stock. I have NO idea what to tell him. He’s on an off cycle now which is why he wants to bridge with something.
Oh, and he also wants to use Brain Candy, but it contains acetyl-l-carnitine which he indicated to me was not good to use with thyroid meds either. Some searches online seem to give differing opinions on this.
The question of combining supplements such as Carbolin 19 with pharmaceuticals in the presence of a disease state is generally at least somewhat problematic because even where a reasonable knowledge exists and no problem can be seen, it doesn’t mean that there could be no surprise. So generally it has to be recommended to not do it.
Personally, not having any disease condition, I would have no problem with using Carbolin 19 with low to moderate dose thyroid medication, for example T3 at 25-50 mcg/day used in a bb’ing manner. However, at least hypothetically it might be different for a person who has a thyroid problem and uses the medication for that reason.
If any have had experiences of ALC appearing to give problems when using thyroid medication, I’d take that seriously rather than assume that there must be no issue.
I realize those aren’t very helpful answers but unfortunately that’s about the best that I can say on it.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
The question of combining supplements such as Carbolin 19 with pharmaceuticals in the presence of a disease state is generally at least somewhat problematic because even where a reasonable knowledge exists and no problem can be seen, it doesn’t mean that there could be no surprise. So generally it has to be recommended to not do it.
Personally, not having any disease condition, I would have no problem with using Carbolin 19 with low to moderate dose thyroid medication, for example T3 at 25-50 mcg/day used in a bb’ing manner. However, at least hypothetically it might be different for a person who has a thyroid problem and uses the medication for that reason.
If any have had experiences of ALC appearing to give problems when using thyroid medication, I’d take that seriously rather than assume that there must be no issue.
I realize those aren’t very helpful answers but unfortunately that’s about the best that I can say on it. [/quote]
Bill, just having you personally respond is good enough. Thanks for your thoughts. I will have to pass my buddy bad news…I’m usually not very conservative with myself, but when it comes to others, I’ll take the conservative route.
Agreed, definitely feel the same way!
Bill, I was wondering if you could shed some light into this for me. I appreciate your response, greatly! I am going to combine Carbolin 19 with L-Carnitine, CLA, and Creatine/Beta-Alanine. Would this constitute a solid supplement stack when trying to lose bodyfat/gain muscle?
I see in your other thread that you’re putting a strong focus on getting good nutrition from foods, are pushing the Prowler nearly every day of the week and weight training 4-5 days per week, and are currently at about 227 lb and 18% bf.
Absolutely you will be able to get good results continuing as you are and with your proposed stack!
Awesome! Thank You, Bill! I appreciate your insights!!
Glad to help; best of outcomes on your goals!
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Glad to help; best of outcomes on your goals![/quote]
You have to pop in more often Bill, you’re a valuable commodity to this site with your information. You’re like a damn comet or solar eclipse w/your appearances 
[quote]Eazy wrote:
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Glad to help; best of outcomes on your goals![/quote]
You have to pop in more often Bill, you’re a valuable commodity to this site with your information. You’re like a damn comet or solar eclipse
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I 2nd that Bill. I gave up on this supplement years ago, but reading your response has re-peaked my interest. More affordable this time around as well.
Bill I’ve just finished my first bottle of Carbolin 19 after finishing up 3 bottles of Alpha Male ran 7 days a week across the 3 bottles.
On the Carbolin 19 I’ve noticed
- my hands are sweating a lot
- I get increased appetite usually about an hour after taking Carbolin 19.
I’m also currently aiming to increase muscle mass directly and less recomp.( I’m also on Indigo-3G )
My plan once I finish this 2nd bottle of Carbolin 19 is to do 2 tablets Carbolin 19 in the AM
2 Alpha Male pre workout, 2 Alpha Male post workout.
I really like the idea behind Carbolin 19 and the longer one uses it, the better it works IMO.
Corst, have you noticed visual changes from taking it?
[quote]Ripsaw3689 wrote:
Corst, have you noticed visual changes from taking it?[/quote]
Yes, I had someone ask me what I’m doing to lose weight, I’m actually up 8 pounds or so. From someone that see’s me daily. I feel, to borrow from the enlarged samurai, “hard”(er). My upper body is responding really well and re comping. I’ve honestly spent so much time in pants these days I haven’t really checked out my legs. My calves feel like they could be recomped quite a bit.
I have been using it for a week now. So far, I have noticed a slight increase in energy and better mood, which is awesome since I am currently dieting. I think it is a bit too soon to say if it is having and effect on body composition and it would be hard to tell in my case since taking Carbolin 19 is not the only change I’ve made (the other being the diet, of course) so a true comparison is not possible at this point. Sorry if it’s not much but it’s all I have.
[quote]eaboadar wrote:
I have been using it for a week now. So far, I have noticed a slight increase in energy and better mood, which is awesome since I am currently dieting. I think it is a bit too soon to say if it is having and effect on body composition and it would be hard to tell in my case since taking Carbolin 19 is not the only change I’ve made (the other being the diet, of course) so a true comparison is not possible at this point. Sorry if it’s not much but it’s all I have.[/quote]
Yeah, I’d love to be able to say during X time X stayed constant while just adding in Carbolin 19. However that’s almost never the case.
Do I feel Carbolin 19 works? Yes, do I feel it’s a mandatory supplement? No. Would I recommend Carblin 19 if someone wants to throw it in, yes.
[quote]corstijeir wrote:
- I get increased appetite usually about an hour after taking Carbolin 19.
I’m also currently aiming to increase muscle mass directly and less recomp.( I’m also on Indigo-3G )
I really like the idea behind Carbolin 19 and the longer one uses it, the better it works IMO.[/quote]
I have similar results as you mentioned in other post ( appearing leaner and up between 4-6 pounds on the scale, harder, and definitely more vascular ).
My question to you is: do you take the Carbolin 19 at the same time as the Indigo-3G? And do you experience this appetite increase an hour into working out or is it in an hour any time you take the Carbolin 19?
I ask because the Carbolin 19 did help me train harder and I attributed increased appetite to being able to exert more strength into my workouts.
Also, when I tried the Indigo-3G, I just had to eat and I was not training at all.