[quote]rds63799 wrote:
change routine, eat more, stay motivated[/quote]
this
Add a litre of milk a day, problem solved!
Awesome thread.
I hate milk.
Milk is beautiful.
I prefer Nigerian breast milk.
[quote]Aopocetx wrote:
I prefer Nigerian breast milk.[/quote]
Cambodian is better.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Gmoore17 wrote:
Seems that MOST natural lifters tend to follow the lean gains approach, after they have already built a good amount of mass, and really have learned a lot about their bodies and how they respond. [/quote]
How is this different for anyone? Why the distinction?
[/quote]
A couple reasons, but I do want to emphasize that I’m talking about already developed people, and the rest of my post said that beginners with lots of progress to make and ‘newbie gains’ to take advantage of would more often than not be letting fear of fat gain hold them back…
First, what I kind of tried to explain in the rest of my first post, is the fact that, take a developed natty individual and a developed assisted individual, and the developed assisted individual could still be able to put on a very significant amount of muscle. Whereas, someone like Stu for example, knows that five pounds of muscle per year would be amazing (not trying to put a specific number on it, but you know what I mean). So the assisted lifter can really push the calories up and utilize a lot of them for the addition of muscle, and would be holding themselves back if they didn’t, while if an already developed natural individual bulks up and puts on 30-40 pounds in six months, the large majority of that will be fat.
Second reason, a natty lifter might be more concerned about the extra fat gain, because they are more likely to lose some muscle while dieting down, whereas assisted lifters in the right conditions can add more muscle while losing the fat.
[quote]Gmoore17 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Gmoore17 wrote:
Seems that MOST natural lifters tend to follow the lean gains approach, after they have already built a good amount of mass, and really have learned a lot about their bodies and how they respond. [/quote]
How is this different for anyone? Why the distinction?
[/quote]
A couple reasons, but I do want to emphasize that I’m talking about already developed people, and the rest of my post said that beginners with lots of progress to make and ‘newbie gains’ to take advantage of would more often than not be letting fear of fat gain hold them back…
First, what I kind of tried to explain in the rest of my first post, is the fact that, take a developed natty individual and a developed assisted individual, and the developed assisted individual could still be able to put on a very significant amount of muscle. Whereas, someone like Stu for example, knows that five pounds of muscle per year would be amazing (not trying to put a specific number on it, but you know what I mean). So the assisted lifter can really push the calories up and utilize a lot of them for the addition of muscle, and would be holding themselves back if they didn’t, while if an already developed natural individual bulks up and puts on 30-40 pounds in six months, the large majority of that will be fat.
Second reason, a natty lifter might be more concerned about the extra fat gain, because they are more likely to lose some muscle while dieting down, whereas assisted lifters in the right conditions can add more muscle while losing the fat.[/quote]
Ding ding ding. We have a winner. Good posted.
Mirin’ your shreddedness btw, looking good man.
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
[quote]Gmoore17 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Gmoore17 wrote:
Seems that MOST natural lifters tend to follow the lean gains approach, after they have already built a good amount of mass, and really have learned a lot about their bodies and how they respond. [/quote]
How is this different for anyone? Why the distinction?
[/quote]
A couple reasons, but I do want to emphasize that I’m talking about already developed people, and the rest of my post said that beginners with lots of progress to make and ‘newbie gains’ to take advantage of would more often than not be letting fear of fat gain hold them back…
First, what I kind of tried to explain in the rest of my first post, is the fact that, take a developed natty individual and a developed assisted individual, and the developed assisted individual could still be able to put on a very significant amount of muscle. Whereas, someone like Stu for example, knows that five pounds of muscle per year would be amazing (not trying to put a specific number on it, but you know what I mean). So the assisted lifter can really push the calories up and utilize a lot of them for the addition of muscle, and would be holding themselves back if they didn’t, while if an already developed natural individual bulks up and puts on 30-40 pounds in six months, the large majority of that will be fat.
Second reason, a natty lifter might be more concerned about the extra fat gain, because they are more likely to lose some muscle while dieting down, whereas assisted lifters in the right conditions can add more muscle while losing the fat.[/quote]
Ding ding ding. We have a winner. Good posted.
Mirin’ your shreddedness btw, looking good man.[/quote]
Thank you good sir, means a lot coming from a large feller like yourself.
[quote]Gmoore17 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Gmoore17 wrote:
Seems that MOST natural lifters tend to follow the lean gains approach, after they have already built a good amount of mass, and really have learned a lot about their bodies and how they respond. [/quote]
How is this different for anyone? Why the distinction?
[/quote]
A couple reasons, but I do want to emphasize that I’m talking about already developed people, and the rest of my post said that beginners with lots of progress to make and ‘newbie gains’ to take advantage of would more often than not be letting fear of fat gain hold them back…
First, what I kind of tried to explain in the rest of my first post, is the fact that, take a developed natty individual and a developed assisted individual, and the developed assisted individual could still be able to put on a very significant amount of muscle. Whereas, someone like Stu for example, knows that five pounds of muscle per year would be amazing (not trying to put a specific number on it, but you know what I mean). So the assisted lifter can really push the calories up and utilize a lot of them for the addition of muscle, and would be holding themselves back if they didn’t, while if an already developed natural individual bulks up and puts on 30-40 pounds in six months, the large majority of that will be fat.
Second reason, a natty lifter might be more concerned about the extra fat gain, because they are more likely to lose some muscle while dieting down, whereas assisted lifters in the right conditions can add more muscle while losing the fat.[/quote]
great fucking post.
[quote]Gmoore17 wrote:
A couple reasons, but I do want to emphasize that I’m talking about already developed people, and the rest of my post said that beginners with lots of progress to make and ‘newbie gains’ to take advantage of would more often than not be letting fear of fat gain hold them back…
First, what I kind of tried to explain in the rest of my first post, is the fact that, take a developed natty individual and a developed assisted individual, and the developed assisted individual could still be able to put on a very significant amount of muscle. Whereas, someone like Stu for example, knows that five pounds of muscle per year would be amazing (not trying to put a specific number on it, but you know what I mean). So the assisted lifter can really push the calories up and utilize a lot of them for the addition of muscle, and would be holding themselves back if they didn’t, while if an already developed natural individual bulks up and puts on 30-40 pounds in six months, the large majority of that will be fat.
Second reason, a natty lifter might be more concerned about the extra fat gain, because they are more likely to lose some muscle while dieting down, whereas assisted lifters in the right conditions can add more muscle while losing the fat.[/quote]
What makes you an expert? You are small.
Cheeseburger!!!
[quote]infinite_shore wrote:
[quote]Gmoore17 wrote:
A couple reasons, but I do want to emphasize that I’m talking about already developed people, and the rest of my post said that beginners with lots of progress to make and ‘newbie gains’ to take advantage of would more often than not be letting fear of fat gain hold them back…
First, what I kind of tried to explain in the rest of my first post, is the fact that, take a developed natty individual and a developed assisted individual, and the developed assisted individual could still be able to put on a very significant amount of muscle. Whereas, someone like Stu for example, knows that five pounds of muscle per year would be amazing (not trying to put a specific number on it, but you know what I mean). So the assisted lifter can really push the calories up and utilize a lot of them for the addition of muscle, and would be holding themselves back if they didn’t, while if an already developed natural individual bulks up and puts on 30-40 pounds in six months, the large majority of that will be fat.
Second reason, a natty lifter might be more concerned about the extra fat gain, because they are more likely to lose some muscle while dieting down, whereas assisted lifters in the right conditions can add more muscle while losing the fat.[/quote]
What makes you an expert? You are small.
Cheeseburger!!![/quote]
What makes you and expert? YOU’RE FAT!
CELERY!!!
Lol
[quote]infinite_shore wrote:
[quote]Gmoore17 wrote:
A couple reasons, but I do want to emphasize that I’m talking about already developed people, and the rest of my post said that beginners with lots of progress to make and ‘newbie gains’ to take advantage of would more often than not be letting fear of fat gain hold them back…
First, what I kind of tried to explain in the rest of my first post, is the fact that, take a developed natty individual and a developed assisted individual, and the developed assisted individual could still be able to put on a very significant amount of muscle. Whereas, someone like Stu for example, knows that five pounds of muscle per year would be amazing (not trying to put a specific number on it, but you know what I mean). So the assisted lifter can really push the calories up and utilize a lot of them for the addition of muscle, and would be holding themselves back if they didn’t, while if an already developed natural individual bulks up and puts on 30-40 pounds in six months, the large majority of that will be fat.
Second reason, a natty lifter might be more concerned about the extra fat gain, because they are more likely to lose some muscle while dieting down, whereas assisted lifters in the right conditions can add more muscle while losing the fat.[/quote]
What makes you an expert? You are small.
Cheeseburger!!![/quote]
Took me a while, but I then realized this was sarcasm.
where are the fats? i see no added fats… olive oil, nuts, peanut butter, avacado… an extra 500 calories of those would be simple and very essential for lean mass.
quit being a pussy saying that you cant grow. EAT until your full and then eat another plate full.
i dont believe in the dirty calorie diets. i’ve done it and it wasnt very nice to my body composition. but for fucks sake thats hardly any food.
you should replicate something like what i eat.
Non workout day
1st - shake, fruit
2nd - 6 whole eggs, 1/4 cup egg whites
3rd - 8oz turkey, 1/4 cup nuts
4th - 8oz turkey, 2tbl spoon olive oil
5th - 10oz beef
6th - 10oz beef, 1/4 cup nuts
7th - shake, 2 tbs peanut butter
8th - 6 whole eggs
on workout days i throw in another 150-200 carbs around 6th & 7th meal
ive never counted my calories but i know when i stop gaining i eat more… when i recomp i drop a few carbs and some portion sizes
[quote]ty_ty13 wrote:
where are the fats? i see no added fats… olive oil, nuts, peanut butter, avacado… an extra 500 calories of those would be simple and very essential for lean mass.
quit being a pussy saying that you cant grow. EAT until your full and then eat another plate full.
i dont believe in the dirty calorie diets. i’ve done it and it wasnt very nice to my body composition. but for fucks sake thats hardly any food.
you should replicate something like what i eat.
Non workout day
1st - shake, fruit
2nd - 6 whole eggs, 1/4 cup egg whites
3rd - 8oz turkey, 1/4 cup nuts
4th - 8oz turkey, 2tbl spoon olive oil
5th - 10oz beef
6th - 10oz beef, 1/4 cup nuts
7th - shake, 2 tbs peanut butter
8th - 6 whole eggs
on workout days i throw in another 150-200 carbs around 6th & 7th meal
ive never counted my calories but i know when i stop gaining i eat more… when i recomp i drop a few carbs and some portion sizes[/quote]
what is a dirty calorie diet?
In that recent interview Dorian Yates said that getting big and lean vs only getting big is what “separates the men from the boys.”
just something to think about when Prof X makes fun of your age and inexperience
[quote]Gmoore17 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Gmoore17 wrote:
Seems that MOST natural lifters tend to follow the lean gains approach, after they have already built a good amount of mass, and really have learned a lot about their bodies and how they respond. [/quote]
How is this different for anyone? Why the distinction?
[/quote]
A couple reasons, but I do want to emphasize that I’m talking about already developed people, and the rest of my post said that beginners with lots of progress to make and ‘newbie gains’ to take advantage of would more often than not be letting fear of fat gain hold them back…
First, what I kind of tried to explain in the rest of my first post, is the fact that, take a developed natty individual and a developed assisted individual, and the developed assisted individual could still be able to put on a very significant amount of muscle. Whereas, someone like Stu for example, knows that five pounds of muscle per year would be amazing (not trying to put a specific number on it, but you know what I mean). So the assisted lifter can really push the calories up and utilize a lot of them for the addition of muscle, and would be holding themselves back if they didn’t, while if an already developed natural individual bulks up and puts on 30-40 pounds in six months, the large majority of that will be fat.[/quote]
The problem here is assuming you know someone’s genetics and metabolism based on whether they are natural or not. The point is, the advice is NO different for either individual.
[quote]
Second reason, a natty lifter might be more concerned about the extra fat gain, because they are more likely to lose some muscle while dieting down, whereas assisted lifters in the right conditions can add more muscle while losing the fat.[/quote]
? Once again, no one is telling people to just gain fat at will without concern…so again, why the distinction? If you can’t lose fat easily, you shouldn’t gain that much extra whether you are natural or not.
Again, there is no reason for the distinction.
You don’t train in some drastically different way or assume obstacles based on whether you use steroids or not.
I am pointing this out because way too many seem to IGNORE the actual results they are getting (which is ALL you should be basing your actions on) to focus on some extreme supposed limit.
You are NOT Stu. Few people on this board have lifted for over ten years straight without fail to reach some extreme level of development…so why even mention how fast some advanced lifter can grow?
Even RONNIE COLEMAN wouldn’t expect more than about 5lbs of new muscle a year…so why the distinction?
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
In that recent interview Dorian Yates said that getting big and lean vs only getting big is what “separates the men from the boys.”
just something to think about when Prof X makes fun of your age and inexperience[/quote]
?
Do you do anything else here other than this?
Experience has much do this this no matter what.