Sorry, after actually reading your post, I would definately suggest seeing an MD first…
Medical Marijuana? 
Other have given GREAT advice ill just add you need denser foods like others have said. All that damn Tuna unless its drenched/packed in oil is a waste of a good chance to get some calories for someone like you. Buy it canned in oil or add some oils.
Also dont ignore other meats beef fattier cuts fatty fish hell sardines compared to tuna is Loaded with fats
Get those carbs in eating can be the hardest part
Phill
[quote]wukey wrote:
I currently weight 150 (started at 110 3 years ago) and i eat;
8am weight gainer shake (with whole milk)
10am flapjack and pint of whole milk
12 baked potatoe with cheese and tuna and weight gainer shake
2pm tin of tuna and banana
4pm tin of tuna and banana
6pm main meal (steak/salmon/chicken with broccoli + spinach and potatoe)
8pm 100g of nuts and fruit
10pm casien shake
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HAHAHAHHAHHAHAHahahhahahhahahahahahahah!!!1uno
Figure out why i am laughing at your skinny ass and you get a cookie.
Let me break it down for you.
Weight gain is not food. Throw this shit away and eat something.
HAHAHAHa. You have to be kidding me. A flapjack? And you should be drinking a pint of milk with every meal. You need to add food to this meal.
Throw the weight gain away and just drink a protein shake with milk.
This is not a meal. Add 2 slices of whole wheat bread, some mayo, and make a sandwhich out of it. Also add a pint of milk, bloke.
This is still not a meal.
[quote]6pm main meal (steak/salmon/chicken with broccoli + spinach and potatoe)
8pm 100g of nuts and fruit[/quote]
This is a meal! good job. Add some milk.
Add some olive oil in it since i presume you are going to sleep.
Disregard all the scrubs telling you to check your hormones. You need to eat more, plain and simple. You are full of shit if you think you plugged in the diet and it is 4500 kcals.
And if you are crapping 10x a day, you are prob getting diahhrea from all that weight gain bullshit.
EAT
Well, I can add some thoughts. I certainly don’t have a problem gaining weight, but I do find it hard to put on muscle. However, I am discovering some eating and training tips that help.
I think most weight problems, whether they be gaining or inability to gain, come down to problems with the pancreas and the adrenal glands. These are the glands that take a brutal beating in today’s hectic society. All the refined foods play havoc on the pancreas. Normally this raises serum insulin levels, which would result in weight gain.
However, if you muscles have become insulin resistant or your pancreas is not producing enough insulin it could cause difficulty in gaining weight. Eat whole foods and get rid of refined foods in your diet. You may want your doctor to check if you have become insulin resistent or have developed type II diabetes. These conditions can cause problems gaining weight.
The stress of modern life wrecks havoc on the adrenal glands. One thing that really affected me was getting off caffeine. It takes several months to adjust, but once the body adjusts you should notice you are able to put on muscle much easier. At least this has been my experience. You also need to make sure that you get proper rest and eliminate unnecessary stress (this could include training too frequently).
As far as gaining weight, I am on a program that seems to be working. I work out 3 days a week. Each day is a full-body circuit consisting of 3 exercises. I do 3 reps per exercise and repeat the circuit 16 times. I try to minimize rest times between exercises and complete the circuit in less than 40 minutes. I do the workout on alternating days (Sunday, Tuesday, and Thursday) The basic circuit is:
Day one: Deadlift, Barbell Bench Press, Dumbell Row.
Day two: Squat, Dumbell Bench Press, Barbell Row.
Day three: Stepup, Dip, Pullup.
I pick a weight for each exercise in which I never reach failure, but the last few circuits are quite taxing. I am basically managing fatique as described in Charles Staley’s Escalating Density Training. This is a program I just recently started, but it seems to be adding muscle nicely. It is basically a combination of the Peripheral Heart Action System, Staley’s EDT, and Waterbury’s Set-Rep Bible.
I basically find that higher volumes (such as 10X5 or 16X3) work best for me. The lower rep ranges keep the weight high. The basic concept behind the workout is to maximize the total amount of weight lifted each workout. This maximizes the stimulus for growth.
I have also found that consuming 7 meals a day with quite a bit of protein (over 1 gram per pound of body weight) helps to put on muscle.
I have read that people who have difficulty gaining weight often respond well to a period of fasting. Okay, I know your jaw just dropped. Why would one fast to gain weight? Let me share with you an important concept of gaining weight. It is not how much you eat that determines how much weight you gain. It is how much of what you eat that your body utilizes that determines how much weight you gain.
Just like any other part of the body, you digestive organs can get wore out. After a period of rest (fasting) they are often able to work more efficiently and actually metabolize the food you eat better. I would not use this idea as a first line defense for weight gain, but if nothing else works you may want to try fasting a few days and see what happens. You should be able to search this on the internet.
At this point in the game I am just starting to learn what works for me. What works for you may be different. Good luck.
Here is what I ate yesterday. I am bulk from 200-210:
10am wake up. 12oz milk, 1/2-1cup oats, all natural pb, bananna, some blueberries, 2 scoops of protein powder and a few ice cubes; all blended into a shake. Went back to sleep.
11am Wake up again. 2 cups of brown rice and 1 chicken breast with a lot of hot sauce. 16 oz milk.
1:30pm Watch TV till work. 2 black refried bean burritos with whole wheat tortillas, lots of mexican pre-shredded cheese and hot sauce, 16 oz milk. Then pack lunch for work.
4:00pm 1 cup of walnuts 1 cup of bannanna chips. 1 sobe green tea!
5:30pm 1/2 turkey&salami& provolone sandwich on whole wheat and 8oz milk. String cheese.
6:00pm An Orange
8:00pm 1/2 turkey&salami& provolone sandwich on whole wheat and 8oz milk. String cheese.
11:00pm Get off work and drive to the gym. Get there aroudn 11:30. Get home around 2:00am.
2:30am 16oz milk, 2 scoops protein powder. 5g creatine. Start watching TV to wind down my brain before sleep.
3:00am Two Beer boiled brautwerst sausage hotdogs on whole wheat bread(hot dog buns for the poor!) with some pre shredded cheese.
3:15am go to sleep.
I normally eat a lot less meat and more non-meat protein combos. PB sandwhiches, beans&rice, etc. Occasionally I’ll eat a vegetable and drink some V8.
I don’t know how many calories this is, and I don’t really care. I am putting on weight gradually, and that is all that matters.
Now compare
[quote]BigDaddyT wrote:
I have read that people who have difficulty gaining weight often respond well to a period of fasting. Okay, I know your jaw just dropped. Why would one fast to gain weight? Let me share with you an important concept of gaining weight. It is not how much you eat that determines how much weight you gain. It is how much of what you eat that your body utilizes that determines how much weight you gain.
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This is all wrong. You gain weight by taking in more kcalories than your body needs in a day through basal metabolic rate plus activities. If you eat a buttload of food, you will gain weight. If you eat more than your body can put towards building muscle, the excess will be stored as adipose tissue.
Can we get ProfX to come in here and give a verbal smackdown? It seems a whole lot of crappy information is being given
[quote]wukey wrote:
I’m so glad that someone said that should be plently of calories for my size cos that eating regime really is a gut buster for me (maybe not for some people on this site) and i was dreading the ‘squats and milk’ and ‘just eat more’ answers that people dish out regardless on this site.[/quote]
Look, don’t just go with the one answer that told you what you wanted to hear. A can of tuna and a banana is not a meal. That’s surely under 300 calories? A flapjack and a pint of milk is also not a meal. In fact it looks like you’re only eating one real meal your whole day - your 6 pm steak and veg meal.
You’re simply not eating nearly as much as you think you are. “Can of tuna and a banana” is a meal someone might eat for weight LOSS.
Join a warehouse club like Sam’s and start buying 90% lean ground beef in bulk. Also buy cheese. And some chicken if you want it. But not the super lean chicken breasts. Each meal, eat at least 1/2 lb of meat and some cheese. Canned tuna is not for people trying to gain weight.
[quote]wukey wrote:
8am weight gainer shake (with whole milk)
10am flapjack and pint of whole milk
12 baked potatoe with cheese and tuna and weight gainer shake
2pm tin of tuna and banana
4pm tin of tuna and banana
6pm main meal (steak/salmon/chicken with broccoli + spinach and potatoe)
8pm 100g of nuts and fruit
10pm casien shake
that is as standard[/quote]
If this is your standard I’d say its a “light” 3000 cal / day.
The fact that you occasionally indulge in KFC and hit 7000 cals per day means very little.
Work your way up in cals until you start gaining. Its not unusual for guys with fast metabolisms to have to hit 4500 EACH AND EVERY DAY before starting to notice a change.
Oh… you feel stuffed? Who cares. Join the club. Most people don’t eat 6+ times per day because they are hungry.
On top of that, for a guy who has a hard time eating so much you sure seem to take pride in eating “clean”. This is a huge mistake for guys like you.
Here is my advice for what its worth. Eat tons of minced meat, whole eggs, whole milk, pasta and deserts for the next 4 months and get back to us on if you haven’t gained any weight.
What? Thats not “healthy”? Dude, its only for a short time to prove to yourself that you aren’t “sick”. I’m definitely not a doctor, but I would be surprised if you needed one because you have some condition.
The only condition that you have is the one I had 15 years ago… you’re young with a fast metabolism.
[quote]wukey wrote:
I currently weight 150 (started at 110 3 years ago) and i eat;
8am weight gainer shake (with whole milk)
10am flapjack and pint of whole milk
12 baked potatoe with cheese and tuna and weight gainer shake
2pm tin of tuna and banana
4pm tin of tuna and banana
6pm main meal (steak/salmon/chicken with broccoli + spinach and potatoe)
8pm 100g of nuts and fruit
10pm casien shake
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This looks a lot like what I ate today, and I’m cutting.
You CAN eat more calories. You don’t HAVE to eat clean foods – you have a high metabolism. As long as you are getting enough protein, feel free to add some junk food: it’s the most calorically dense food available, and it’s not hard to eat. Why drink milk when you can drink chocolate milk?
Maybe you’d like some bacon and eggs with your breakfast?
Are you sure you’re putting enough butter and syrup on your flapjacks? Enough mayo on your tuna? Enough butter on your potatoes? enough gravy on your meat? Enough dressing on your salad? There are a lot of potential calories to be had at every meal if you think about it for a minute.
Skip the tuna, a comparable amount of red meat has about the same protein, and a lot more fat.
Liquid calories are absorbed the quickest, so you don’t stay full for long. Whole milk is probably the single most anabolic food there is. Milk is the only thing we eat that was “designed” by evolution to be eaten (by an animal that needs to gain hundreds of pounds in a short amount of time.) You are not a calf, but I’m sure you can do better than 3 pints a day if you put your mind to it.
Even when I’m trying to gain, I can’t eat like this, or I’ll get fat. I’m old, and my metabolism is not as fast as yours. I envy you. You say you’re desperate, but you haven’t even tried eating a pint of ice cream before bed. How hard is that?
[quote]Chickenmcnug wrote:
BigDaddyT wrote:
I have read that people who have difficulty gaining weight often respond well to a period of fasting. Okay, I know your jaw just dropped. Why would one fast to gain weight? Let me share with you an important concept of gaining weight. It is not how much you eat that determines how much weight you gain. It is how much of what you eat that your body utilizes that determines how much weight you gain.
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This is all wrong. You gain weight by taking in more kcalories than your body needs in a day through basal metabolic rate plus activities. If you eat a buttload of food, you will gain weight. If you eat more than your body can put towards building muscle, the excess will be stored as adipose tissue.
Can we get ProfX to come in here and give a verbal smackdown? It seems a whole lot of crappy information is being given[/quote]
McNug speaks the truth and all else is bullshit. The simple and immutable fact is that if you consume more calories than your burn then you WILL gain weight. Anything else anyone has to say is nonsense. Sure, thyroid conditions exist but hypothyroidish people aren’t exempt from this simple law of nature. So if you think you have a condition then go to the doc, that’s great, but don’t for a second think that you can’t gain weight.
[quote]DTLV wrote:
Are you sure you’re putting enough butter and syrup on your flapjacks? Enough mayo on your tuna? Enough butter on your potatoes? enough gravy on your meat? Enough dressing on your salad?
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You have a way with words. You had me at “hello”.
Chickenmcnug and DTLV have it right. Read and re-read what Chickenmcnug is eating and follow it for a week. Then beat what he is eating by adding more dense foods like DTLV said.
There really are guys here who eat as much ice cream as possible before bed and they finally stated to gain. Your weight gainer might say 1000 cals per serving but 400 cals might be ground up sweaty socks and go right through you. Replace them with food.
Read how John Bernardi gained weight, one trick he had was to make an entire loaf of peanut butter sandwiches (raisin bread i think). He would eat them between his real meals.
Take advantage while you can, eat all you can now with crap thrown in and gain muscle. Us old folks can’t do it any more.
Get a jar of natural peanut butter in those shakes everyday. More if you can handle it. Heavy deads every week. If you dont gain weight off that then you’re a freak.
[quote]Chickenmcnug wrote:
wukey wrote:
I currently weight 150 (started at 110 3 years ago) and i eat;
8am weight gainer shake (with whole milk)
10am flapjack and pint of whole milk
12 baked potatoe with cheese and tuna and weight gainer shake
2pm tin of tuna and banana
4pm tin of tuna and banana
6pm main meal (steak/salmon/chicken with broccoli + spinach and potatoe)
8pm 100g of nuts and fruit
10pm casien shake
HAHAHAHHAHHAHAHahahhahahhahahahahahahah!!!1uno
Figure out why i am laughing at your skinny ass and you get a cookie.
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Holy living crap. It took this many posts for someone to finally point that out. Are people just typing so that their avatar looks really nice on the page with everyone else’s? This guy’s diet is less food than many girls I know yet he “can’t gain weight”?
Maybe in 3 more pages…
[quote]BigDaddyT wrote:
Well, I can add some thoughts.[/quote]
Yes, I read your thoughts. I want my 30 seconds back. Damn it, I could have been at the gym already. Instead, I spent those vital seconds of my life reading some guy recommending that some skinny fucker who eats like a dieting soccer mom FAST so that he can gain weight. Your fear of adrenal glands is something you should probably get checked out by a physician. I have no doubt that your glands are working over time as you worry this much about making simple concepts ten times more complicated.
[quote]wukey wrote:
The first thing people say when i say i can’t gain weight is
‘just eat more dude’
[/quote]
It really is that simple.
No you haven’t. You are in skinny guy denial (the opposite of fat fucker denial where they claim to be eating like a bird, but in reality, they eat more than a herd of hippos).
Like other skinny guys claiming the same bullshit, YOU ARE NOT EATING ENOUGH!
The plain and simple truth, if you’re not gaining weight, EAT MORE.
Whaaaa you have a high metabolism…shut the fuck up and EAT MORE!
Boohoohoo you feel full…EAT MORE FUCKING FOOD!
i knew this was coming, i was realy shocked about how easy you were on me yesterday, (must have been the uk crowd) this is probably what i needed (but totally not what i wanted)
I’ve thrown out my old meal plan and i’ll come back in a couple of days with a new one.
in my defence, i may be in ‘skinny fucked denial’ but i really want to get big, i want it enough to take this public flaming and take it all onboard. after all thats what i posted for. if i do what you say and start gaining again i’ll be the first to admit i was wrong and thank you all for thew slap in the face. i supose the answer was always going to be the one that was most difficult for me to do (otherwise i’d have done it ages ago)
TBC
[quote]wukey wrote:
i knew this was coming, i was realy shocked about how easy you were on me yesterday, (must have been the uk crowd) this is probably what i needed (but totally not what i wanted)
I’ve thrown out my old meal plan and i’ll come back in a couple of days with a new one.
in my defence, i may be in ‘skinny fucked denial’ but i really want to get big, i want it enough to take this public flaming and take it all onboard. after all thats what i posted for. if i do what you say and start gaining again i’ll be the first to admit i was wrong and thank you all for thew slap in the face. i supose the answer was always going to be the one that was most difficult for me to do (otherwise i’d have done it ages ago)
TBC[/quote]
Good for you, now lets hope you come back with a BIG diet.