Can Any of You Do What Ronnie Does?

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BPC,

Do us all a favor and scroll up to the VERY top of the screen you are now looking at. What does it say there? I’m pretty sure it says “T-Nation BODYBUILDING’S” think tank. It does not say “powerlifter’s think tank” or “athlete’s think tank”. This means that this is a site for BODYBUILDERS.

Yes, there are athletes, powerlifters, martial artists, etc. here, but they are not here to discuss their sport of choice (for the most part). They are here to get bigger and stronger. I suggest you think about this next time you are doing rotator cuff exercises on an instability ball with 5lb. DB’s or “cross-training” on the eliptical machine.

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How does Ronnie Coleman’s inability to run while wearing flippers prove that all his mass is useless?

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[quote]BPC wrote:
Professor X wrote:
BPC wrote:
The video of Ronnie on Jay Leno was hilarious!

He can’t run worth a shit!!! Ahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Professor X-besides the weightroom, what good is all of that mass? I can’t imagine him pursuing anybody on foot as a Cop.

What a joke.

Why would you direct your question towards me? I am not Ronnie Coleman.

Also, since you seem to have the act of running down to an elite level along with being on a bodybuilding forum, could we see what a “real bodybuilder” looks like? Post pic below.

I directed the question towards you because of your recent rant regarding relative strength and functional strength. Plus I know you are a huge Ronnie/bodybuilding fan. Additionally, you constantly push for everybody on this site to train for mass and force feed like you do. Some people who read this site are bodybuilders, some are powerlifters, some want to look good naked, and some are athletes.

The video clip of Ronnie lifting weights is impressive in terms of maximal strength but the Jay Leno clip is a classic example of how all of that “strong mass” is worthless when it comes to performing everyday movements that the human body was built for such as running (or in this case jogging w/scuba gear).

I have no interest in “posting a pic” since I don’t train primarily for looks like you do. Then again, when have you posted a pic?

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The Jay Leno clip was a GAG. He was wearing flippers and it was supposed to be funny, not some show of athleticism. You truly didn’t understand that?

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[quote]tjd772 wrote:
BPC,

Do us all a favor and scroll up to the VERY top of the screen you are now looking at. What does it say there? I’m pretty sure it says “T-Nation BODYBUILDING’S” think tank. It does not say “powerlifter’s think tank” or “athlete’s think tank”. This means that this is a site for BODYBUILDERS.

Yes, there are athletes, powerlifters, martial artists, etc. here, but they are not here to discuss their sport of choice (for the most part). They are here to get bigger and stronger. I suggest you think about this next time you are doing rotator cuff exercises on an instability ball with 5lb. DB’s or “cross-training” on the eliptical machine.[/quote]

Point well taken regarding the bodybuilding emphasis on this site. So are you suggesting that everybody on this site train like Ronnie Coleman to get “bigger and stronger?”

By the way, I don’t train using either method that you mentioned.

I do the “basics” such as: pressing, pulling, squatting, etc etc but I also focus on life/hobbies outside of the gym and mirrors. I know that’s shocking and scary for some people.

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[quote]alkamite wrote:
How does Ronnie Coleman’s inability to run while wearing flippers prove that all his mass is useless? [/quote]

Who the fuck can run wearing flippers on the beach? Who is he, Aquaman?

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Sounds to me like BPC is the prototypical " I wanna be lean and have a six pack" guy. I will use the argument I used to use when I was in the Army. What good is being able to run 2 miles in 11 minutes if you don’t have enough weight in your ass to fight when you get there. Unless of course you spend your life running, AWAY. As for ProfX, he has posted pictures.

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[quote]BPC wrote:
Kuz wrote:
BPC wrote:
The video of Ronnie on Jay Leno was hilarious!

He can’t run worth a shit!!! Ahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Professor X-besides the weightroom, what good is all of that mass? I can’t imagine him pursuing anybody on foot as a Cop.

What a joke.

That makes no sense. That’s like saying what good is David Beckham being able to bend a soccer ball like he does except on the pitch. Or what good is the ability of Pedro Martinez to catch the inside corner on a cut fastball except on the baseball field. For what he chooses to do, it’s [i]everything[/i], even if you do not use it in other parts of “real life”.

Actually, it makes a lot of sense. Take the example you gave: David Beckham can also run (sprinting capabilities as well as the fact that he has stamina), actually move in mutliple directions quickly, etc etc. Understand my point? David Beckham is more well rounded than Ronnie.

I do understand your point and Ronnie is doing what he loves and is good at (bodybuilding). However, the old school bodybuilders, while not as large as Ronnie were much more all around athletes as well as being “strong” and looking good.
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But it’s not simply about the running. What David Beckham does involves different physical/athletic capabilities than what Ronnie Coleman does. I’m not sure there is truly the amount of carry-over to “regular life” from Beckham as opposed to Coleman.

Don’t get me wrong - I’m actually a soccer player and do not emulate Ronnie’s physique (although it is pretty amazing, steroids or not). I am personally trying to figure out a way to balance out strength, looking good and such with my athletic performance.

I just find it interesting that people will get on a lot of bodybuilders for their particular physique choices as if there is no carry-over (I’m not sure if that is purely your point or not).

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[quote]alkamite wrote:
How does Ronnie Coleman’s inability to run while wearing flippers prove that all his mass is useless? [/quote]

It was kind of a silly video and a silly poke from me I’ll admit but the flippers didn’t seem to affect the other guy too much.

Ronnie’s strong as hell, there’s no doubting that. However, he looks ridiculous. Too much mass, GH gut, etc. When does it end? Will the next Ronnie Coleman be twice as big as Ronnie? I mean c’mon… what about being healthy?

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Function: Designed for or adapted to a particular function or use.

Last time I checked, the particular function he wanted to perform is win Mr. Olympia. NOT run around the beach wearing flip flops. If thats your deal, well the only way to get better at that would be doing it.

I’m pretty sure lifting massive amounts of weight at the gym day after day after day for many years and putting as much hard work as he has in the past years will help him win Mr. Olympia.

There! Hes fucking functional.

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[quote]snipeout wrote:
Sounds to me like BPC is the prototypical " I wanna be lean and have a six pack" guy. I will use the argument I used to use when I was in the Army. What good is being able to run 2 miles in 11 minutes if you don’t have enough weight in your ass to fight when you get there. Unless of course you spend your life running, AWAY. As for ProfX, he has posted pictures.[/quote]

This debate is fruitless really. I made my smart ass comment to be funny really. It’s hilarious at how defensive many of you get when someone pokes fun of their precious bodybuilding hero.

First of all, being lean is not a bad thing the last time I checked especially when you consider this Nation’s obesity rates and the fact that a lot of pro bodybuilders lack general health. Next, I’m a military guy myself so you are preaching to the choir. As far as fighting goes, size is one of MANY factors not the sole or even determining factor unless you depend on your size for fighting? What about: technique, speed, agility, coordination, power, etc??

As far as Prof X’s pics-I could care less how he looks. He constantly brags about how much more he eats than everybody else so I’m sure he’s big. I just don’t understand personally, big for what purpose, just for being big? One person put it well, Prof X is obsessed about “getting as big as possible” and that’s cool and his choice. Me, I don’t care anything about gaining mass or being a bodybuilder.

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[quote]BPC wrote:
snipeout wrote:
Sounds to me like BPC is the prototypical " I wanna be lean and have a six pack" guy. I will use the argument I used to use when I was in the Army. What good is being able to run 2 miles in 11 minutes if you don’t have enough weight in your ass to fight when you get there. Unless of course you spend your life running, AWAY. As for ProfX, he has posted pictures.

This debate is fruitless really. I made my smart ass comment to be funny really. It’s hilarious at how defensive many of you get when someone pokes fun of their precious bodybuilding hero.

First of all, being lean is not a bad thing the last time I checked especially when you consider this Nation’s obesity rates and the fact that a lot of pro bodybuilders lack general health. Next, I’m a military guy myself so you are preaching to the choir. As far as fighting goes, size is one of MANY factors not the sole or even determining factor unless you depend on your size for fighting? What about: technique, speed, agility, coordination, power, etc??

As far as Prof X’s pics-I could care less how he looks. He constantly brags about how much more he eats than everybody else so I’m sure he’s big. I just don’t understand personally, big for what purpose, just for being big? One person put it well, Prof X is obsessed about “getting as big as possible” and that’s cool and his choice. Me, I don’t care anything about gaining mass or being a bodybuilder. [/quote]

My goal is not to get as big as possible. I truly have no desire to weigh 300lbs. My overall goal is to carry enough mass to be able to diet down and compete (if I ever chose to, not saying I will) at about 230-235lbs. That would probably mean an off season weight of a relatively lean 270lbs.

I train for4 strength in the weight room. I eat for size. It is truly that simple and all else is bullshit as far as I am concerned. Someone truly training their ass off will get bigger and stronger unless they specifically avoid eating more to gain any size. If they do that, they will be limited in strength gains…so it makes no sense outside of competitive powerlifting.

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[quote]BPC wrote:
snipeout wrote:
Sounds to me like BPC is the prototypical " I wanna be lean and have a six pack" guy. I will use the argument I used to use when I was in the Army. What good is being able to run 2 miles in 11 minutes if you don’t have enough weight in your ass to fight when you get there. Unless of course you spend your life running, AWAY. As for ProfX, he has posted pictures.

This debate is fruitless really. I made my smart ass comment to be funny really. It’s hilarious at how defensive many of you get when someone pokes fun of their precious bodybuilding hero.

First of all, being lean is not a bad thing the last time I checked especially when you consider this Nation’s obesity rates and the fact that a lot of pro bodybuilders lack general health. Next, I’m a military guy myself so you are preaching to the choir. As far as fighting goes, size is one of MANY factors not the sole or even determining factor unless you depend on your size for fighting? What about: technique, speed, agility, coordination, power, etc??

As far as Prof X’s pics-I could care less how he looks. He constantly brags about how much more he eats than everybody else so I’m sure he’s big. I just don’t understand personally, big for what purpose, just for being big? One person put it well, Prof X is obsessed about “getting as big as possible” and that’s cool and his choice. Me, I don’t care anything about gaining mass or being a bodybuilder. [/quote]

If you don’t care about gaining mass or being a bodybuilder, then…

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING HERE?

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[quote]BPC wrote:
As far as fighting goes, size is one of MANY factors not the sole or even determining factor unless you depend on your size for fighting? What about: technique, speed, agility, coordination, power, etc??

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Relative to fighting, I think you are missing a very important point: When all other things are equal (or even close) the big strong guy wins!

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
BPC wrote:
snipeout wrote:
Sounds to me like BPC is the prototypical " I wanna be lean and have a six pack" guy. I will use the argument I used to use when I was in the Army. What good is being able to run 2 miles in 11 minutes if you don’t have enough weight in your ass to fight when you get there. Unless of course you spend your life running, AWAY. As for ProfX, he has posted pictures.

This debate is fruitless really. I made my smart ass comment to be funny really. It’s hilarious at how defensive many of you get when someone pokes fun of their precious bodybuilding hero.

First of all, being lean is not a bad thing the last time I checked especially when you consider this Nation’s obesity rates and the fact that a lot of pro bodybuilders lack general health. Next, I’m a military guy myself so you are preaching to the choir. As far as fighting goes, size is one of MANY factors not the sole or even determining factor unless you depend on your size for fighting? What about: technique, speed, agility, coordination, power, etc??

As far as Prof X’s pics-I could care less how he looks. He constantly brags about how much more he eats than everybody else so I’m sure he’s big. I just don’t understand personally, big for what purpose, just for being big? One person put it well, Prof X is obsessed about “getting as big as possible” and that’s cool and his choice. Me, I don’t care anything about gaining mass or being a bodybuilder.

My goal is not to get as big as possible. I truly have no desire to weigh 300lbs. My overall goal is to carry enough mass to be able to diet down and compete (if I ever chose to, not saying I will) at about 230-235lbs. That would probably mean an off season weight of a relatively lean 270lbs.

I train for4 strength in the weight room. I eat for size. It is truly that simple and all else is bullshit as far as I am concerned. Someone truly training their ass off will get bigger and stronger unless they specifically avoid eating more to gain any size. If they do that, they will be limited in strength gains…so it makes no sense outside of competitive powerlifting.[/quote]

Oh only 270lbs in the offseason not 300 lbs. Big difference:) You’re fucking big regardless. That’s cool those are your goals.

Actually, I partially agree w/you but you fail to take into account genetics which is a HUGE factor. I train for strength in the weightroom as well but also do MANY other things. Being one dimensional bores me.

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[quote]harris447 wrote:
BPC wrote:
snipeout wrote:
Sounds to me like BPC is the prototypical " I wanna be lean and have a six pack" guy. I will use the argument I used to use when I was in the Army. What good is being able to run 2 miles in 11 minutes if you don’t have enough weight in your ass to fight when you get there. Unless of course you spend your life running, AWAY. As for ProfX, he has posted pictures.

This debate is fruitless really. I made my smart ass comment to be funny really. It’s hilarious at how defensive many of you get when someone pokes fun of their precious bodybuilding hero.

First of all, being lean is not a bad thing the last time I checked especially when you consider this Nation’s obesity rates and the fact that a lot of pro bodybuilders lack general health. Next, I’m a military guy myself so you are preaching to the choir. As far as fighting goes, size is one of MANY factors not the sole or even determining factor unless you depend on your size for fighting? What about: technique, speed, agility, coordination, power, etc??

As far as Prof X’s pics-I could care less how he looks. He constantly brags about how much more he eats than everybody else so I’m sure he’s big. I just don’t understand personally, big for what purpose, just for being big? One person put it well, Prof X is obsessed about “getting as big as possible” and that’s cool and his choice. Me, I don’t care anything about gaining mass or being a bodybuilder.

If you don’t care about gaining mass or being a bodybuilder, then…

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING HERE?[/quote]

It’s called research asshole.

I didn’t know that I had to fulfill certain prerequisites before I read material on this site. Interesting rules you are making up now.

So Charles Poliquin, John Davies, etc etc never write articles regarding performance enhancement (power, speed, range of motion, etc)? Interesting.

WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU HERE W/YOUR GOOFY LOOKIN’ AVATAR?

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
BPC wrote:
As far as fighting goes, size is one of MANY factors not the sole or even determining factor unless you depend on your size for fighting? What about: technique, speed, agility, coordination, power, etc??

Relative to fighting, I think you are missing a very important point: When all other things are equal (or even close) the big strong guy wins!

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So why doesn’t Big Ronnie fight in the Pride FC or UFC? Because he’d get his fucking ass kicked.

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[quote]BPC wrote:

Actually, I partially agree w/you but you fail to take into account genetics which is a HUGE factor. I train for strength in the weightroom as well but also do MANY other things. Being one dimensional bores me.

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What makes you think because I train for size that I am one dimensional? I write and record music. I ride a motorcycle. I have probably done more community service than most of the people ever consider. One dimensional does not describe me. However, if we are talking about bodybuilding, being a pussy and not eating enough and not lifting heavy and then using “being functional” as an excuse is pure bullshit. If you are small and weak, don’t try to make people believe your “relative strength” is so awesome. It isn’t.

Personally, if I had spent years in the gym and didn’t look like it, I would think I sucked.

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[quote]BPC wrote:
ZEB wrote:
BPC wrote:
As far as fighting goes, size is one of MANY factors not the sole or even determining factor unless you depend on your size for fighting? What about: technique, speed, agility, coordination, power, etc??

Relative to fighting, I think you are missing a very important point: When all other things are equal (or even close) the big strong guy wins!

So why doesn’t Big Ronnie fight in the Pride FC or UFC? Because he’d get his fucking ass kicked.

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No you have entered troll status.

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[quote]DON D1ESEL wrote:
If anything, by doing full reps he would get more reps because of the stretch shortening cycle at work at the bottom and the chance for rest at lockout. Right?

Soooooooo swoll…[/quote]

No. You are right that lockout on top gives rest but the stretch/shortening cycle exists whatever range is used. Touching the bar or dumbell on bottom can help but it has nothing to do with the stretch shortening cycle.

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I cant wait to scream “light weight” when I use the green dumbells tonight!