[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Another woman has come forward claiming the same teacher molested her as well.
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This totally ruins my cat/kitten teacher schoolgirl fantasies 
I watched a documentary in a sociology class of females molesting young boys, one instance was a social worker with a foster child. Sad sick world out there.
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
For people who are convicted beyond a shadow of a doubt, just hang them that same day. [/quote]
Reasonable people make mistakes; cops lie; witnesses lie; and prosecutors lie. Evidence that looks airtight one day sometimes isn’t and is later proved to be absolutely false. The biggest problem with a death penalty is trying to undo a mistake.
http://www.innocenceproject.org/[/quote]
I do agree that its far from perfect or 100%[/quote]
Then as long as it is NEVER 100%, how can you call for the state to take another person’s life?
You are, by DEFAULT, calling for the death of innocent people (occasionally). In the name of “justice” FOR innocent people…
That’s my problem with it.
If I came in and someone was raping my daughter or something and I SAW it, I’d kill the mutherfucker right there. However, if my daughter was raped, no one was caught for weeks and they finally rounded in a suspect, I would be very hesitant to call for the death penalty.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
For people who are convicted beyond a shadow of a doubt, just hang them that same day. [/quote]
Reasonable people make mistakes; cops lie; witnesses lie; and prosecutors lie. Evidence that looks airtight one day sometimes isn’t and is later proved to be absolutely false. The biggest problem with a death penalty is trying to undo a mistake.
http://www.innocenceproject.org/[/quote]
I do agree that its far from perfect or 100%[/quote]
Then as long as it is NEVER 100%, how can you call for the state to take another person’s life?
You are, by DEFAULT, calling for the death of innocent people (occasionally). In the name of “justice” FOR innocent people…
That’s my problem with it.
If I came in and someone was raping my daughter or something and I SAW it, I’d kill the mutherfucker right there. However, if my daughter was raped, no one was caught for weeks and they finally rounded in a suspect, I would be very hesitant to call for the death penalty. [/quote]
The “its never 100 percent” argument is not true nor am I calling for the death penally when their is any doubt.
Like I said earlier, in cases where there is a confession, there is CCTV footage, there is physical evidence, then I would support rapists, predatory murderers/serial killers, pedophiles etc being executed.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
For people who are convicted beyond a shadow of a doubt, just hang them that same day. [/quote]
Reasonable people make mistakes; cops lie; witnesses lie; and prosecutors lie. Evidence that looks airtight one day sometimes isn’t and is later proved to be absolutely false. The biggest problem with a death penalty is trying to undo a mistake.
http://www.innocenceproject.org/[/quote]
I do agree that its far from perfect or 100%[/quote]
Then as long as it is NEVER 100%, how can you call for the state to take another person’s life?
You are, by DEFAULT, calling for the death of innocent people (occasionally). In the name of “justice” FOR innocent people…
That’s my problem with it.
If I came in and someone was raping my daughter or something and I SAW it, I’d kill the mutherfucker right there. However, if my daughter was raped, no one was caught for weeks and they finally rounded in a suspect, I would be very hesitant to call for the death penalty. [/quote]
I don’t believe the system is 100% right but that does not mean there aren’t cases where the conviction is 100% right.
[quote]Jlabs wrote:
I watched a documentary in a sociology class of females molesting young boys, one instance was a social worker with a foster child. Sad sick world out there.[/quote]
It is and theses people can’t be rehabilitated.
Louisiana actually tried to make child rape a death penalty offense but it was overturned in the Supreme Court.
[quote]GrizzlyBerg wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
It’s either that or some kind of insane eugenics program where we kill everyone who doesn’t pass some kind of morality test
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Kill them before they commit the crime a la Minority Report/Wanted. [/quote]
You mean the movies where the systems were inherently flawed and led to corruption at the cost of innocent lives?
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Then as long as it is NEVER 100%, how can you call for the state to take another person’s life?
You are, by DEFAULT, calling for the death of innocent people (occasionally). In the name of “justice” FOR innocent people…
That’s my problem with it.
If I came in and someone was raping my daughter or something and I SAW it, I’d kill the mutherfucker right there. However, if my daughter was raped, no one was caught for weeks and they finally rounded in a suspect, I would be very hesitant to call for the death penalty. [/quote]
Great post.
Just to share an interesting fact about death by firing squads: back in the Holocaust, by the middle to the end of it, Hitler was actually having some problems with his SS soldiers due to the emotional and psychological toll that shooting people in the back of the head day and day out had on them.
Another intersting piece of information is that back in the French revolution, while Robespierre and co. were chopping heads all around, it came to a point that no party affilate would operate the blade due to all the tales about severed heads hauting executioners at night and so on…
I am in favor of the death penalty, however I think no country has developed quite the risk or cost free way of doing it. Electric chairs are horrifying and injections are also very limited on the long run (I think) due to the whole preparation process.
For it to work I believe one would have to completely exclude the human factor (of the executioner and all involved). IMHO these are medium to long term issues that should be taken into consideration since killing someone holds a lot of emotional value – regardless of how desensitized one could be.
Somebody said it earlier, but the thing about the death penalty is not actually death itself, but the weight is bears on someone plotting to commit a serious crime. Deterrance works, it is time tested and proven.
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
For people who are convicted beyond a shadow of a doubt, just hang them that same day. [/quote]
Reasonable people make mistakes; cops lie; witnesses lie; and prosecutors lie. Evidence that looks airtight one day sometimes isn’t and is later proved to be absolutely false. The biggest problem with a death penalty is trying to undo a mistake.
http://www.innocenceproject.org/[/quote]
I do agree that its far from perfect or 100%[/quote]
Then as long as it is NEVER 100%, how can you call for the state to take another person’s life?
You are, by DEFAULT, calling for the death of innocent people (occasionally). In the name of “justice” FOR innocent people…
That’s my problem with it.
If I came in and someone was raping my daughter or something and I SAW it, I’d kill the mutherfucker right there. However, if my daughter was raped, no one was caught for weeks and they finally rounded in a suspect, I would be very hesitant to call for the death penalty. [/quote]
I don’t believe the system is 100% right but that does not mean there aren’t cases where the conviction is 100% right.[/quote]
I can “devil’s advocate” ANY scenario you come up with (and so could you if you wanted to). The “Justice” system is simply too flawed to be 100% right all the time. And if it’s flawed, then mistakes WILL be made. It’s not like I’m saying, “let them all loose”. I’m saying, “don’t kill anyone, but feel free to lock their ass up until they die”.
Being locked in a cage for decades can kill your spirit far more painfully than simply killing your body.
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
[quote]GrizzlyBerg wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
It’s either that or some kind of insane eugenics program where we kill everyone who doesn’t pass some kind of morality test
[/quote]
Kill them before they commit the crime a la Minority Report/Wanted. [/quote]
You mean the movies where the systems were inherently flawed and led to corruption at the cost of innocent lives?[/quote]
That was the point.
Well I will say this for all you against the death penalty, if its my child that’s murdered and raped and they find his DNA on her, that’s good enough for me. And if they couldn’t find anyone to do the job I would gladly volunteer. If it was just rape of my child, he better pray to God they kept him in there till one of us was dead. There are a whole lot of people that have been proven fairly certainly that they committed the heinous crime that they were charged with. Those people should be put down fairly swiftly.
Regarding the death penalty can’t we just have a fast checkout line when a murderer is caught red handed. For example here on Long Island both Colin Ferguson an Joel Rifkin were arrested with overwhelming evidence at the scene.
[quote]Brant2 wrote:
Just to share an interesting fact about death by firing squads: back in the Holocaust, by the middle to the end of it, Hitler was actually having some problems with his SS soldiers due to the emotional and psychological toll that shooting people in the back of the head day and day out had on them.
Another intersting piece of information is that back in the French revolution, while Robespierre and co. were chopping heads all around, it came to a point that no party affilate would operate the blade due to all the tales about severed heads hauting executioners at night and so on…
I am in favor of the death penalty, however I think no country has developed quite the risk or cost free way of doing it. Electric chairs are horrifying and injections are also very limited on the long run (I think) due to the whole preparation process.
For it to work I believe one would have to completely exclude the human factor (of the executioner and all involved). IMHO these are medium to long term issues that should be taken into consideration since killing someone holds a lot of emotional value – regardless of how desensitized one could be.
Somebody said it earlier, but the thing about the death penalty is not actually death itself, but the weight is bears on someone plotting to commit a serious crime. Deterrance works, it is time tested and proven.[/quote]
To be fair shooting jews in the throat and throwing them in a ditch for merely being jewish everyday is a bit different than killing a pedophile.
Lieutenant Mueller-Riezenburg, in a transcript made on Christmas Day 1943, said; ‘The S.S. invited us over for a Jew-shoot. The whole troop went off with their weapons and joined in. Everyone was allowed to pick which one they wanted to shoot.’
It is clear that the vortex of war, the total, unrelenting ‘war without rules’ which Hitler had preached would be fought on the eastern front, had become commonplace, everyday - mundane, even - for those who were there.
But it was not only on the killing fields of the Steppe that the accepted and time-honoured rules of war were abandoned.
Corporal Dieckmann told his pal in captivity of action in France in 1940; ‘In the streets, the doorways, the alleyways and sidestreets I shot everything that showed itself. My dear, if a few innocent ones fell, well, I don’t give a s**t.’
Another report picked up on a soldier boasting of his actions in Salonika when civilians had barricaded themselves inside a church. ‘So we had no choice but to burn them out, did we? I mean, it was their decision to do that, wasn’t it?’
Nazi’s had every reason to feel guilty, killing a pedophile would not make me feel guilty. Massacring children and women would.
[quote]Scotto wrote:
Regarding the death penalty can’t we just have a fast checkout line when a murderer is caught red handed. For example here on Long Island both Colin Ferguson an Joel Rifkin were arrested with overwhelming evidence at the scene.[/quote]
Or this guy.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]Scotto wrote:
Regarding the death penalty can’t we just have a fast checkout line when a murderer is caught red handed. For example here on Long Island both Colin Ferguson an Joel Rifkin were arrested with overwhelming evidence at the scene.[/quote]
Or this guy.[/quote]
That seems like a weird case. The kid was happy to go to a wedding with him all day till 11:30 at night an then he killed him because he was worried how it would lookâ?¦ ?/?
Pretty much all these were caught and confessed. Someone who raped and killed over 300 children needs to die.
Most were also raped and abused as kids, so while they are definitely products of their environment, they still need to be removed.
^ fucked up thing is Lopez was released on $50 bail. He only served a total of about 17 years if my memory serves me.
The only reason Ridgway wasn’t put to death was it was part of his plea bargain. He offered to show cops where all of the remains were if he was spared the death penalty.
Someone like Ted Bundy, who is only slightly lower on the list, was killed for his crimes.
[quote]GrizzlyBerg wrote:
^ fucked up thing is Lopez was released on $50 bail. He only served a total of about 17 years if my memory serves me.
The only reason Ridgway wasn’t put to death was it was part of his plea bargain. He offered to show cops where all of the remains were if he was spared the death penalty.
Someone like Ted Bundy, who is only slightly lower on the list, was killed for his crimes. [/quote]
Child-murderer and rapist, known as “The Monster of the Andes”. Targeted young girls, between the ages of 8 and 12. Arrested in 1980 and convicted in 1983 of killing 110 young girls but confessed to killing 300, exact total unknown. Though he may be the most prolific serial killer of the 20th century, he was released in 1998. Current whereabouts unknown.