Awesome.
Fuck yes.
I am on board with this.
The death penalty is stupid as hell. I don’t care how it is done, it shouldn’t exist.
[quote]H factor wrote:
The death penalty is stupid as hell. I don’t care how it is done, it shouldn’t exist. [/quote]
Yes. It’s funny how the same people who complain about big government and how the government is controlling our lives and being intrusive (some to the point they believe there is going to be a coup of sorts and are preparing for civil war) have no problems with the government having the power to kill its citizens.
I just don’t see how anyone can support a government putting someone to death when our justice system is not perfect and innocent people sometimes go to jail for long periods of time then get PROVEN innocent.
If we had a perfect justice system I would be much less opposed. The absolute worst thing a government can do is put an innocent person to death for a crime they did not commit. I have no idea how someone could be for this.
The examples I could give are countless, but how can anyone read this article and still believe in the death penalty? I just don’t get it.
It’s not being soft on crime or being pro criminal or any other ludicrous stance. It’s realizing the flaws in our human based justice system.
[quote]H factor wrote:
If we had a perfect justice system I would be much less opposed. The absolute worst thing a government can do is put an innocent person to death for a crime they did not commit.
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I have always gone back and forth on the issue, but this is the biggest thing for me. It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer. So long as uncertainty cannot be stamped out in every single case, the state should not have the authority to kill convicts.
Then, of course, I see a heinous crime on the news and start chanting “death, death, death.” It is the push and pull of our very natures.
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
Then, of course, I see a heinous crime on the news and start chanting “death, death, death.” It is the push and pull of our very natures.[/quote]
Of course and there is always the question, “what if it were your kid that had been killed?” Maybe some crimes do deserve death but unlike an unjust prison sentence that can be corrected there is nothing to reverse death.
I don’t see why the death penalty can’t be used when either DNA or video evidence exists of the act being committed. I also don’t see how life in prison is anything other than a very long death sentence and you could argue lethal injection is much more humane than life in prison. I also think, especially today, the likelihood of someone being wrongfully put to death is pretty small.
Plus conviction is by a jury of his/her peers. Not the government.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I don’t see why the death penalty can’t be used when either DNA or video evidence exists of the act being committed. I also don’t see how life in prison is anything other than a very long death sentence and you could argue lethal injection is much more humane than life in prison. I also think, especially today, the likelihood of someone being wrongfully put to death is pretty small. [/quote]
In cases of such certainty I don’t have a real objection to it.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I don’t see why the death penalty can’t be used when either DNA or video evidence exists of the act being committed. I also don’t see how life in prison is anything other than a very long death sentence and you could argue lethal injection is much more humane than life in prison. I also think, especially today, the likelihood of someone being wrongfully put to death is pretty small. [/quote]
I agree, but is this something to take a risk with?
With life in prison people CAN get out if they can prove their innocence. This happens. Innocent people get out because they prove their innocence.
You can’t prove yourself innocent when you’re dead.
Below- Death row: Proven innocent.
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
Then, of course, I see a heinous crime on the news and start chanting “death, death, death.” It is the push and pull of our very natures.[/quote]
This happens to me all the time. Horrific people who commit horrific crimes I REALLY want to die. I just think with how many people we have wrongfully convicted in our history that it is a risk we should not take.
Like I said the absolute WORST thing a government can do is put an innocent person to death for a crime they did not commit.
Do some of you realize that the very arguments you are making against the death penalty are used by those who are against abortion ?
In the case of Eaton here in Wyoming be assured he is guilty. He is fighting to get off death row on a technicality and has not denied killing Lisa Marie Kimmell. Her car was even found buried on his property. He also killed one of his cell mates. The book “The murder of Lil’ Miss” details the investigation. Good read.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Do some of you realize that the very arguments you are making against the death penalty are used by those who are against abortion ?
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In one instance a government is ALLOWING an individual to make a choice if she wants to. Whether or not that is murder and at what point is completely up for debate.
In this instance a government is TAKING someone’s life on purpose. Which would be ok with me in certain cases with a perfect justice system. It is not ok with me since humans make mistakes all the time and our justice system is human based.
I don’t think they are nearly as similar as one wants to make them. However, I’m not really in this thread to talk abortion, we are doing that somewhere else. I just don’t see how people are for the death penalty. I USED to be because who doesn’t want to see horrible people get a strong punishment? Now logically it doesn’t make sense for me to have governments take that risk.
[quote]H factor wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I don’t see why the death penalty can’t be used when either DNA or video evidence exists of the act being committed. I also don’t see how life in prison is anything other than a very long death sentence and you could argue lethal injection is much more humane than life in prison. I also think, especially today, the likelihood of someone being wrongfully put to death is pretty small. [/quote]
I agree, but is this something to take a risk with?
With life in prison people CAN get out if they can prove their innocence. This happens. Innocent people get out because they prove their innocence.
You can’t prove yourself innocent when you’re dead.
Below- Death row: Proven innocent.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/28/justice/louisiana-inmate-exonerated/index.html[/quote]
True, but you are talking about very rare instances.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]H factor wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I don’t see why the death penalty can’t be used when either DNA or video evidence exists of the act being committed. I also don’t see how life in prison is anything other than a very long death sentence and you could argue lethal injection is much more humane than life in prison. I also think, especially today, the likelihood of someone being wrongfully put to death is pretty small. [/quote]
I agree, but is this something to take a risk with?
With life in prison people CAN get out if they can prove their innocence. This happens. Innocent people get out because they prove their innocence.
You can’t prove yourself innocent when you’re dead.
Below- Death row: Proven innocent.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/28/justice/louisiana-inmate-exonerated/index.html[/quote]
True, but you are talking about very rare instances. [/quote]
Collateral Damage?
It’s good enough for me if you are convicted of rape/child molestation during a murder that you are put in general population for the duration of your stay.
Let them sort it out amongst themselves, saves the taxpayers the trouble.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]H factor wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I don’t see why the death penalty can’t be used when either DNA or video evidence exists of the act being committed. I also don’t see how life in prison is anything other than a very long death sentence and you could argue lethal injection is much more humane than life in prison. I also think, especially today, the likelihood of someone being wrongfully put to death is pretty small. [/quote]
I agree, but is this something to take a risk with?
With life in prison people CAN get out if they can prove their innocence. This happens. Innocent people get out because they prove their innocence.
You can’t prove yourself innocent when you’re dead.
Below- Death row: Proven innocent.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/28/justice/louisiana-inmate-exonerated/index.html[/quote]
True, but you are talking about very rare instances. [/quote]
Of course they are rare instances. Yet they are instances where the state may take an innocent persons life for a crime they DID NOT DO!
I don’t see how “well that doesn’t happen often” is a good rebuttal in this sense. So we should take the risk of killing innocent people who don’t commit crimes because most of the time we get it right?