and that’s the point; nobody is ever convicted beyond a shadow of a doubt. There have been far too many miscarriages of justice for that rule to be applied. I agree, broadly speaking, that those who kill deserve death. Nothing is ever that clear cut though- some people are still, psychologically speaking, tigers who are dreaming of the jungle.
For such people, the ultimate hope is to return to a world where choices are easy and penalties swift and easily forgotten- and that is a moronic urge to replicate the conditions of childhood! What most people still don’t realise is that both sides of the law are playing a deadly game of cat and mouse, and sometimes everybody loses.
[quote]Der_Steppenwolfe wrote:
Yeah, it’s a false dichotomy, but ask yourself this: What good does it do? Why do people have to be punished for things? What earthly good has it ever done? Ever? You can’t make people be nice. [/quote]
Well that’s the reason man. You can’t make people be nice, and there are some sick bastards out there. Believe it or not the only thing stopping some people from theft, rape, assault, and murder is that they’re scared of the penalties. It’s either that or some kind of insane eugenics program where we kill everyone who doesn’t pass some kind of morality test; which would be extremely ironic lol.
And on top of that if you kill someone I love I would prefer it if someone killed you back. Justice demands vengeance.
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
For people who are convicted beyond a shadow of a doubt, just hang them that same day. [/quote]
You would be surprised how stupid some jurors can be. Defense attorneys have become more savvy at laying out bullshit scenarios, and suggesting that because it could have happened that way, that their client should be acquitted.
[quote]Well that’s the reason man. You can’t make people be nice, and there are some sick bastards out there. Believe it or not the only thing stopping some people from theft, rape, assault, and murder is that they’re scared of the penalties. It’s either that or some kind of insane eugenics program where we kill everyone who doesn’t pass some kind of morality test; which would be extremely ironic lol.
And on top of that if you kill someone I love I would prefer it if someone killed you back. Justice demands vengeance.[/quote]
Well yeah, and that’s one of the reasons for the blanket prohibition on physical violence most societies have- once you start killing your own people, whoever you are, you place yourself beyond the protection of the code that you signed up to by becoming a man. I just wish it wasn’t necessary, that’s all.
[quote]csulli wrote:
It’s either that or some kind of insane eugenics program where we kill everyone who doesn’t pass some kind of morality test
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Kill them before they commit the crime a la Minority Report/Wanted.
[quote]Well that’s the reason man. You can’t make people be nice, and there are some sick bastards out there. Believe it or not the only thing stopping some people from theft, rape, assault, and murder is that they’re scared of the penalties. It’s either that or some kind of insane eugenics program where we kill everyone who doesn’t pass some kind of morality test; which would be extremely ironic lol.
And on top of that if you kill someone I love I would prefer it if someone killed you back. Justice demands vengeance.[/quote]
Well yeah, and that’s one of the reasons for the blanket prohibition on physical violence most societies have- once you start killing your own people, whoever you are, you place yourself beyond the protection of the code that you signed up to by becoming a man. I just wish it wasn’t necessary, that’s all. [/quote]
Also, there is a California law which states that you cannot record a phone call with someone unless they know about it. So this very Youtube video could be thrown out as evidence.
Fucking sickening. [/quote]
I cannot imagine a DA going after this “crime” though… Are you saying the rapist might try to somehow sue for damages/$$ ?
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
What if they are wrongly convicted? Wrongful convictions are far more common than people realize. You can’t undo a death penalty…
It costs WAY more to kill a prisoner than is does to house them for the rest of their life. I have two thoughts on this:
Put the rapists and child molesters in General Population instead of allowing them access to Punk City (protective custody) or;
B) Lock them in a fucking hole for the rest of their natural life. No contact with anyone. No TV. No library. Just sit and rot.
Death is too easy for these fuckers.[/quote]
A single bullet or reusable axe is pretty cheap. Just saying!
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
What if they are wrongly convicted? Wrongful convictions are far more common than people realize. You can’t undo a death penalty…
It costs WAY more to kill a prisoner than is does to house them for the rest of their life. I have two thoughts on this:
Put the rapists and child molesters in General Population instead of allowing them access to Punk City (protective custody) or;
B) Lock them in a fucking hole for the rest of their natural life. No contact with anyone. No TV. No library. Just sit and rot.
Death is too easy for these fuckers.[/quote]
A single bullet or reusable axe is pretty cheap. Just saying!
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Yall have no idea about medeaval justice systems and whatnot.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
What if they are wrongly convicted? Wrongful convictions are far more common than people realize. You can’t undo a death penalty…
It costs WAY more to kill a prisoner than is does to house them for the rest of their life. I have two thoughts on this:
Put the rapists and child molesters in General Population instead of allowing them access to Punk City (protective custody) or;
B) Lock them in a fucking hole for the rest of their natural life. No contact with anyone. No TV. No library. Just sit and rot.
Death is too easy for these fuckers.[/quote]
A single bullet or reusable axe is pretty cheap. Just saying!
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It’s the endless(ENDLESS) appeals that cost the money.
And Death Row housing is some of the most expensive real estate around.
I think most crime is economic in its root, even things like rape and murder have their foundation in upbringing, not exclusively, I mean people get raped in mansions and rich people kill people, but the overwhelming pattern of rape, murder and robbery is a direct result of the proletarian condition.
I think that is a universal concept, among all political thinkers. Therefor I really do not support the death penalty because in my view, the state and the economic model create the conditions that breed crime, so the state is culpable for the crimes to a degree, no matter how detached the black honourable robes are from the hard and grinding life on the streets where such violence is perpetrated.
If I don’t support the state or its economic system then I have a hard time giving it my personal approval to execute citizens. At the same time I am confronted with the fact that pedophiles, murders and rapists live and even get out to murder and rape again, destroying lives and committing horrible acts on vulnerable people.
Either the government forcefully takes my hard earned money by force and pays to keep them alive or they execute someone, which I don’t want a state to have over its citizens.
However while I don’t want the state to execute people I do see realities that if we are under this economic system and an overbearing powerful state, there are people who would be extremely harmful to society unless they are kept away and if inside prison are also liable to victimise other prisoners who could be redeemed.
This is not a simplistic subject that is best approached with simple cliched slogans, but there is something about crimes as sickening as this that make me swell as others angry and make me want to do away with the civility we like most of the times in order to see real justice done in extreme and saddening instances such as this one.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
What if they are wrongly convicted? Wrongful convictions are far more common than people realize. You can’t undo a death penalty…
It costs WAY more to kill a prisoner than is does to house them for the rest of their life. I have two thoughts on this:
Put the rapists and child molesters in General Population instead of allowing them access to Punk City (protective custody) or;
B) Lock them in a fucking hole for the rest of their natural life. No contact with anyone. No TV. No library. Just sit and rot.
Death is too easy for these fuckers.[/quote]
A single bullet or reusable axe is pretty cheap. Just saying!
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It’s the endless(ENDLESS) appeals that cost the money.
And Death Row housing is some of the most expensive real estate around.[/quote]
Right, but the only way appeals can cost more than execution is if the government is so beauracratic and corrupt that money is purposely overspent by localities and people in order to increase budgets and suck taxpayer money up.
Just the same as the military tries to spend more in order to say it needs more, the judicial system is just as guilty.
Also, there is a California law which states that you cannot record a phone call with someone unless they know about it. So this very Youtube video could be thrown out as evidence.
Fucking sickening. [/quote]
I cannot imagine a DA going after this “crime” though… Are you saying the rapist might try to somehow sue for damages/$$ ?
This video was sickening…[/quote]
Criminally speaking, the DA might not be able to pursue this specific case, because the statute of limitations has expired. But if this same molester did this to another victim more recently, where the statute still allows for a criminal charge, then maybe the DA will go after that.
I don’t know if the victim in the video could pursue civil damages $$$, I certainly hope so, but the state laws here protect the teachers to an obscene degree.
To give you an idea of how bad it is here, meet teacher Mark Berndt.
He had “tasting games” where he fed students his semen on cookies and by spoon, sometimes blindfolding and photographing them. He could not be fired because of teacher Union protection, so the school district bribed him $40k to resign.
Law enforcement does not run the show here, Unions and politicians bribed by Unions do.
[quote]aeyogi wrote:
I believe prison should serve as a quarantine to protect society from criminals. No amount of punishment will give a victim back what they lost.
“Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.”[/quote]
Please don’t act like books from thousands of years ago have any place in deciding how best to deliver justice. Seeing as not coveting slaves was said without any sense of irony.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
What if they are wrongly convicted? Wrongful convictions are far more common than people realize. You can’t undo a death penalty…
It costs WAY more to kill a prisoner than is does to house them for the rest of their life. I have two thoughts on this:
Put the rapists and child molesters in General Population instead of allowing them access to Punk City (protective custody) or;
B) Lock them in a fucking hole for the rest of their natural life. No contact with anyone. No TV. No library. Just sit and rot.
Death is too easy for these fuckers.[/quote]
A single bullet or reusable axe is pretty cheap. Just saying!
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It’s the endless(ENDLESS) appeals that cost the money.
And Death Row housing is some of the most expensive real estate around.[/quote]
Yep, I thought everyone knew that? I was just being a jackass.
[quote]aeyogi wrote:
I believe prison should serve as a quarantine to protect society from criminals. No amount of punishment will give a victim back what they lost.
“Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.”[/quote]
Please don’t act like books from thousands of years ago have any place in deciding how best to deliver justice. Seeing as not coveting slaves was said without any sense of irony.[/quote]
Agreed that there is weird shit in the old testament, but I believe the statement quoted above to be truth. I have always regretted every decision or action I have made under the influence of hate and anger. Vengeance and cruelty have no place in a civilized society.
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
I know we are supposed to be civilised and all but does anyone else think rape should be death penalty? Especially raping children, jesus christ.[/quote]
I’d agree but then there are those that are falsely accused. If there was an 100 percent way to prove the person was guilty I’d be for it too.