Bulking Motivation from Dave Tate

Training Bodybuilding
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[quote]bams_101 wrote:
Doyle wrote:
Artem wrote:
aussie101 wrote:
Two double quarter pounders with a large fries at macdonalds is my preferred bulking meal. The two burgers have 220 percent of the RDI of protein, so you can imagine how pathetically low that must be… If i’m with friends I’ll add a diet coke and tell the person serving that i’m on a diet.
What’s RDI?

RDI = recomended daily intake.
Note that these figures are for regular seditary males of average height who wish to stay within the rediculously light BMI weight range.
I think its based on a 1800 calorie/day diet, with proportions from the food piramid.
TOTALLY usless for someone trying to put on significant muscle mass.

Big macs with chicken patties and double quarters are also on the preferred meals when out and about. But since I eat more than most of my friends I usually eat bigger burgers for their amusement. Try spending like $17 on a double pounder and chompin that one down.

Another weird thing is that the RDI for protien as said on the cereal boxes and stuff is 50g per day. They way I eat, I get that from breakfast. People with big appetites and who are doing any serious training are gonna eat more than 2080 calories a day which is tha RDI for adult males.
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Most of these guys are not training that hard though. These will be the same types who claim they just got fat because someone told them to eat more as if the fact that they are still using the same weight as 3 months ago doesn’t matter.

People who do train hard enough to stimulate significant growth will find they simply need more calories. If they have a fast metabolism on top of that, they can get away with being much more loose with their diet.

I am making sure that distinction is made because I have been through this enough time to know that many of these guys see what they want to see. No matter what I actually write, it will get twisted by someone eventually.

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[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
marlboroman wrote:
hey Zep

you ever try Larry’s wings ?

if not …ya gotta try 'em . frikkin fantastic !

where are they?[/quote]

Legend Larry’s Wings 'n Things in the phone book…south-east corner of 8th street and Penn ave. it’s a regular bar , so you may not be able to go in by your self. it can get quite crowded , and 45 minute to an hour wait is not un-heard of.but orders can be called in and then picked up. a second location is about to open , which will be take-out/delivery only . about 8 different flavors , from Mild to D.O.A. on the heat scale. I stick to the middle/upper middle range . I tried 1 Scary (2nd hottest) , extremely hot…wouldnt recommend them to a first-timer.

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great thread by the way .

I thought I was the only one here that didnt eat chicken every fuckin’ day . the beginner’s forum confounds me sometimes…165 pound dude eating 100% clean , and keeping track of every single calorie . I’m no expert on this shit by any means , but that behavior doesnt seem necessary at that level

I do make an attempt to either make stuff myself or hit up locally owned restaurants though.if I feel to be light on the protien , out comes the powder .

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sometimes im like damn, this sucks having such a fast metabolism i never gain weight ;(

and then times like these im like well, at least i can eat mashed potatoes…pizza…BBQ Burgers and beer in the same day and not worry about anything.

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[quote]marlboroman wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
marlboroman wrote:
hey Zep

you ever try Larry’s wings ?

if not …ya gotta try 'em . frikkin fantastic !

where are they?

Legend Larry’s Wings 'n Things in the phone book…south-east corner of 8th street and Penn ave. it’s a regular bar , so you may not be able to go in by your self. it can get quite crowded , and 45 minute to an hour wait is not un-heard of.

but orders can be called in and then picked up. a second location is about to open , which will be take-out/delivery only . about 8 different flavors , from Mild to D.O.A. on the heat scale. I stick to the middle/upper middle range . I tried 1 Scary (2nd hottest) , extremely hot…wouldnt recommend them to a first-timer.
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haha sounds sweet, might have to check that out after my first meet.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:

The physical growth of bodybuilders throughout their careers is obviously accounted for to some extent by the fact that hypertrophy is the primary goal of their sport.

“The construction of floor plans and building designs throughout the careers of ARCHITECTS is obviously accounted for to some extent by the fact that building things is the primary goal of their career”

You’re an idiot but thank you for pointing out the obvious. I am sure most of us were in the dark about bodybuilders wanting to gain muscle mass and thusly looking different as a result of it all. This was truly a revelation.
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Only if its taken out of its proper context, which was to act as a setup for the second, more important statement:

Had I not included the “obvious” first statement and written only the second, your response would have taken the form of a snarky comment such as:

“Yeah, I’m sure the fact that the goal of bodybuilding is to build muscle has nothing to do with their size”.

So, it’s a Catch-22. I can’t win either way.

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This thread makes me hungry.

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[quote]analog_kid wrote:
This thread makes me hungry.

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Tell me about it. After reading this thread last week, I decided I needed to have pizza on Saturday. Not that I needed much of an excuse, but I wasn’t planning on it either.

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Ugh…not to throw everyone off here…if you truly aren’t that concerned with fat gain to atleast some extent then sure…eat fast food all the time. But you can grow and grow good off of 90% clean food. I try my best to stick to a 90% rule…90% eat clean calories bulking or cutting. If it works for you to eat shit food all the time just for the sheer calorie content, awesome…keep doing it.

It doesn’t work for me, in fact doing that has really set me back before, because of the amount of fuckin fat I gained. And trust me, I was working in the gym…Aside from that, this SHOULD be a healthy way of living…I can’t see how eating lots of saturated fats and shit carbs so you can hit 4500 calories a day as being healthy. But I don’t see the problem…I eat 3000 calories without even trying to really…

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post work out meal on the run an hr. or so after my liquid meal of 50g whey + Gatorade/Creatine/Dextrose mixture.

…Two rodeo cheeseburgers and a tendergrill chicken sandwich plain.

i’m at 195lbs now up from 148lbs in 2006!!! BF??? 12-15%

i never eat fastfood but in a pinch the simple carb from the bun is good and the chicken is lean protein.

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[quote]analog_kid wrote:
This thread makes me hungry.

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Spaghetti and meatball sandwich with a protein shake.

And mint chocolate-chip ice cream.

Pre-bed meal, bra.

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[quote]facko wrote:
Ugh…not to throw everyone off here…if you truly aren’t that concerned with fat gain to atleast some extent then sure…eat fast food all the time. [/quote]

Who here is eating fast food “all the time”?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
facko wrote:
Ugh…not to throw everyone off here…if you truly aren’t that concerned with fat gain to atleast some extent then sure…eat fast food all the time.

Who here is eating fast food “all the time”? [/quote]

Well, Prof. You did mention eating a whopper. Clearly that meant you started the day off with a McFlurry and ended it with a $15 order from Taco Bell.

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I was very upset tonight when I found out that McDonald’s 2 triple cheese burgers for $3 deal, had ended. And now when I finally get over it, you all have to remind me of it again.

I may never fall asleep now that I’m upset again :frowning:

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Fuck reading this thread at 1 40 AM when everything is closed.

: (

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
facko wrote:
Ugh…not to throw everyone off here…if you truly aren’t that concerned with fat gain to atleast some extent then sure…eat fast food all the time.

Who here is eating fast food “all the time”? [/quote]

Uhm…for someone who likes to point out when their words are twisted, I like to point that out as well. It is apparent that “eat fast food all the time” is a figure of speech…if it were taken literally, it would mean to eat fast food literally 24/7.

That’s not what I meant and you know it, what I meant was including fast food meals in your diet on a daily regular basis is not that healthy and will not lead to as quality gains if you were to just eat that much more chicken rice and beans. A poster in here mentioned something about someone washing all meals down with a ton of chocolate milk.

IF you wanna pick out peoples words to a T…why didn’t you pick out the poster even before that one that claimed he got ALL his calories from kfc, little ceasers , onion rings etc.

I’m not dumb, I realize that the majority of real big guys have been on real big bulks, but there are plenty of people that follow the 90% rule bulking or cutting and make good gains.

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90% rule is fine. I think the Prof is probably close to that himself anyways, I mean once something becomes so ingrained it just becomes habit. He obviously eats enough to get big.

Couple points I wanted to make about bulking. Things that should not be ignored, Nutrient timing is helpful for making your bulk cleaner. Sure it’s a little work, but you can still have your junk food AND pack on more muscle and less fat. This is what we all want right? The simple things people know, Eat your carbs (low GI) in the AM, 1st or second meal, eat high fat high protien foods the rest of the day, except for PWO where you go 50/50 carbs Protien, both fast absorbing. Make use of insulin it’s very anabolic. Don’t waste 8 hours of catabolic time per night eat caesin protein before bedtime to turn 4 of those 8 hours into building time instead of breaking down time. Just doing this every night will give you an extra 1,460 hours per year of muscle building time. AND it will take that time away from muscle losing time. Take it to the extreme and set an alarm for 4 hours after bedtime and do another shake. Each 4 hour period is the equivalent of 60 days with or without food over a year. You make the choice here.

Again, I eat fast food maybe 3-4 times per week, but thats my 90% out of the box. I don’t eat chicken and rice all the time. I eat steak and veggies. I eat Bacon and all sorts of fatty meat sources. I just like to control the carbs so that when I want to call on insulin to drive nutrients and protien into my muscles, I can call on it in its full force.

I hate Tofu, Soy, Flowers, Rainbows (unless there is gold), puppies, cute babies, curling in the squat rack, and people who think they know WTF they are talking about when they obviously don’t. (this is just in general, not towards anyone here)

V

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[quote]facko wrote:
. . . including fast food meals in your diet on a daily regular basis is not that healthy and will not lead to as quality gains if you were to just eat that much more chicken rice and beans. [/quote]

Is that right, Rambo?

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[quote]Vegita wrote:
90% rule is fine. I think the Prof is probably close to that himself anyways, I mean once something becomes so ingrained it just becomes habit. He obviously eats enough to get big.

Couple points I wanted to make about bulking. Things that should not be ignored, Nutrient timing is helpful for making your bulk cleaner. Sure it’s a little work, but you can still have your junk food AND pack on more muscle and less fat.

This is what we all want right? The simple things people know, Eat your carbs (low GI) in the AM, 1st or second meal, eat high fat high protien foods the rest of the day, except for PWO where you go 50/50 carbs Protien, both fast absorbing.

Make use of insulin it’s very anabolic. Don’t waste 8 hours of catabolic time per night eat caesin protein before bedtime to turn 4 of those 8 hours into building time instead of breaking down time. Just doing this every night will give you an extra 1,460 hours per year of muscle building time.

AND it will take that time away from muscle losing time. Take it to the extreme and set an alarm for 4 hours after bedtime and do another shake. Each 4 hour period is the equivalent of 60 days with or without food over a year. You make the choice here.

Again, I eat fast food maybe 3-4 times per week, but thats my 90% out of the box. I don’t eat chicken and rice all the time. I eat steak and veggies. I eat Bacon and all sorts of fatty meat sources. I just like to control the carbs so that when I want to call on insulin to drive nutrients and protien into my muscles, I can call on it in its full force.

I hate Tofu, Soy, Flowers, Rainbows (unless there is gold), puppies, cute babies, curling in the squat rack, and people who think they know WTF they are talking about when they obviously don’t. (this is just in general, not towards anyone here)

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Good post. I eat about 8-9 times a day. I could eat out once a day and still be under “90%”. I think I’ve listed out how I eat enough times on this board for that to not even be a question.

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[quote]facko wrote:
Professor X wrote:
facko wrote:
Ugh…not to throw everyone off here…if you truly aren’t that concerned with fat gain to atleast some extent then sure…eat fast food all the time.

Who here is eating fast food “all the time”?

Uhm…for someone who likes to point out when their words are twisted, I like to point that out as well. It is apparent that “eat fast food all the time” is a figure of speech…if it were taken literally, it would mean to eat fast food literally 24/7.

That’s not what I meant and you know it, what I meant was including fast food meals in your diet on a daily regular basis is not that healthy and will not lead to as quality gains if you were to just eat that much more chicken rice and beans. A poster in here mentioned something about someone washing all meals down with a ton of chocolate milk.

IF you wanna pick out peoples words to a T…why didn’t you pick out the poster even before that one that claimed he got ALL his calories from kfc, little ceasers , onion rings etc.

I’m not dumb, I realize that the majority of real big guys have been on real big bulks, but there are plenty of people that follow the 90% rule bulking or cutting and make good gains.[/quote]

I eat a huge bought-out (chinese food, philly cheese steaks, burgers, etc…) meal after every lifting session pretty much and I don’t think anyone who has watched my progress would dare say that my gains are not “quality”. Keep enjoying your rice and chicken, have fun growing off that shit when you actually get up to a decent weight.

I pretty much follow the same thing x does. “No pure shit” which basically means no ice cream/candy bars/etc throughout the day. I do eat ice cream on the weekend and sometimes post-workout though. Most of my calories throughout the day are from tuna, chicken, beef, peanut butter, whole milk, protein powders, etc. Post workout I eat a huge meal of whatever I feel like. Usually after leg day its as much chinese food as I can pack into my stomach b4 feeling sick.