Bulking Motivation from Dave Tate

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[quote]facko wrote:

IF you wanna pick out peoples words to a T…why didn’t you pick out the poster even before that one that claimed he got ALL his calories from kfc, little ceasers , onion rings etc.[/quote]

Possibly because just above you I had already made this post:

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Most of these guys are not training that hard though. These will be the same types who claim they just got fat because someone told them to eat more as if the fact that they are still using the same weight as 3 months ago doesn’t matter.

People who do train hard enough to stimulate significant growth will find they simply need more calories. If they have a fast metabolism on top of that, they can get away with being much more loose with their diet.

I am making sure that distinction is made because I have been through this enough time to know that many of these guys see what they want to see. No matter what I actually write, it will get twisted by someone eventually[/quote]

Are you saying I need to track everyone down individually to make sure no one eats onion rings all day long? I am positive stupid will exist no matter what I write.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Vegita wrote:
90% rule is fine. I think the Prof is probably close to that himself anyways, I mean once something becomes so ingrained it just becomes habit. He obviously eats enough to get big.

Couple points I wanted to make about bulking. Things that should not be ignored, Nutrient timing is helpful for making your bulk cleaner. Sure it’s a little work, but you can still have your junk food AND pack on more muscle and less fat. This is what we all want right? The simple things people know, Eat your carbs (low GI) in the AM, 1st or second meal, eat high fat high protien foods the rest of the day, except for PWO where you go 50/50 carbs Protien, both fast absorbing. Make use of insulin it’s very anabolic. Don’t waste 8 hours of catabolic time per night eat caesin protein before bedtime to turn 4 of those 8 hours into building time instead of breaking down time. Just doing this every night will give you an extra 1,460 hours per year of muscle building time. AND it will take that time away from muscle losing time. Take it to the extreme and set an alarm for 4 hours after bedtime and do another shake. Each 4 hour period is the equivalent of 60 days with or without food over a year. You make the choice here.

Again, I eat fast food maybe 3-4 times per week, but thats my 90% out of the box. I don’t eat chicken and rice all the time. I eat steak and veggies. I eat Bacon and all sorts of fatty meat sources. I just like to control the carbs so that when I want to call on insulin to drive nutrients and protien into my muscles, I can call on it in its full force.

I hate Tofu, Soy, Flowers, Rainbows (unless there is gold), puppies, cute babies, curling in the squat rack, and people who think they know WTF they are talking about when they obviously don’t. (this is just in general, not towards anyone here)

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Good post. I eat about 8-9 times a day. I could eat out once a day and still be under “90%”. I think I’ve listed out how I eat enough times on this board for that to not even be a question.[/quote]

Word. I’m up to 6-7 times myself. The funny thing is, when I eat like an 800-1000 calorie meal, I don’t get full but am not hungry anymore, but like in 2 hours i’m starving again. This actually helps me eat more throughout the day. I used to try bulking by eating as much as possible at one sitting, but afterwards, I wouldn’t be able to look at food again for half a day.

I also hate how people think eating clean somehow involves chicken and rice. White rice is one of the worst things you can put in your body unless it’s post workout. Might as well eat a loaf of white bread or drink a six pack of soda. Shit don’t you know anything about GI or nutrient timing? Eating clean to me is giving my body what it needs, when it needs it. Doesn’t matter if it’s bacon covered in cream and syrup. If I do it at the right time, it is 100% ok. The only no no’s are the frankensteins in a box or can or bag that contain all kinds of scary chemicals. AND even those won’t effect you if you eat them sparingly. Your body can clean itself out you know.

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[quote]Vegita wrote:

I also hate how people think eating clean somehow involves chicken and rice. White rice is one of the worst things you can put in your body unless it’s post workout. Might as well eat a loaf of white bread or drink a six pack of soda. Shit don’t you know anything about GI or nutrient timing? Eating clean to me is giving my body what it needs, when it needs it. Doesn’t matter if it’s bacon covered in cream and syrup. If I do it at the right time, it is 100% ok. The only no no’s are the frankensteins in a box or can or bag that contain all kinds of scary chemicals. AND even those won’t effect you if you eat them sparingly. Your body can clean itself out you know.

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This is exactly what I try to tell all the people who say “So, you’re eating like all unhealthy and stuff”? Or other retarded statements like that. NO! This is NOT bad for me, because I know when the fuck to eat it for my body…I know what my body likes and what it doesn’t. Because I have actually experimented and found what is optimal for my body.

Great point Vegita!

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[quote]josh86 wrote:
Vegita wrote:

I also hate how people think eating clean somehow involves chicken and rice. White rice is one of the worst things you can put in your body unless it’s post workout. Might as well eat a loaf of white bread or drink a six pack of soda. Shit don’t you know anything about GI or nutrient timing? Eating clean to me is giving my body what it needs, when it needs it. Doesn’t matter if it’s bacon covered in cream and syrup. If I do it at the right time, it is 100% ok. The only no no’s are the frankensteins in a box or can or bag that contain all kinds of scary chemicals. AND even those won’t effect you if you eat them sparingly. Your body can clean itself out you know.

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This is exactly what I try to tell all the people who say “So, you’re eating like all unhealthy and stuff”? Or other retarded statements like that. NO! This is NOT bad for me, because I know when the fuck to eat it for my body…I know what my body likes and what it doesn’t. Because I have actually experimented and found what is optimal for my body.

Great point Vegita![/quote]

Thanks, To be fair, there was a time when I was like that also. I thought veggies were healthy (they are) and that meat rice, anything that seemed wholesome and real was just great for me. Well it is better than eating Mcdonalds every meal for a month straight no doubt, but it is’t 100% accurate unless you start taking into account the nutrient timing, Glycemic load, protein in every meal, etc etc etc… I mean you gotta keep learning and pushing the limits. For instance, besides leucine, my meals have been similar for a couple years now. When I found out about leucine, I researched it and decided it was necessary to add to every protein meal I could. I mean if I eat out I obviously don’t carry a little baggy with leucine in it, but if i’m cooking at home I feel the benefits of taking it are good enough to add it to the meal. So you gotta be able to evolve and some of these people just stay so stuck and focused on thier tofu and rice in thier mens health magazines that they end up looking like an ambercrombie model.

AHHHHH sorry /rant (again)

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This post just bears repeating. Most people who “bulk” don’t know what they’re doing. They don’t know how to bust their ass in the gym to earn their “bulking calories”. They do the same weights and just eat more and then wonder why they got fat and then they blame their genetics. When you go to the gym BUST YOUR ASS!!! And then eat and eat and eat.

Professor X wrote:
Most of these guys are not training that hard though. These will be the same types who claim they just got fat because someone told them to eat more as if the fact that they are still using the same weight as 3 months ago doesn’t matter.

People who do train hard enough to stimulate significant growth will find they simply need more calories. If they have a fast metabolism on top of that, they can get away with being much more loose with their diet.

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[quote]facko wrote:
Professor X wrote:
facko wrote:
Ugh…not to throw everyone off here…if you truly aren’t that concerned with fat gain to atleast some extent then sure…eat fast food all the time.

Who here is eating fast food “all the time”?

Uhm…for someone who likes to point out when their words are twisted, I like to point that out as well. It is apparent that “eat fast food all the time” is a figure of speech…if it were taken literally, it would mean to eat fast food literally 24/7.

That’s not what I meant and you know it, what I meant was including fast food meals in your diet on a daily regular basis is not that healthy and will not lead to as quality gains if you were to just eat that much more chicken rice and beans. A poster in here mentioned something about someone washing all meals down with a ton of chocolate milk.

IF you wanna pick out peoples words to a T…why didn’t you pick out the poster even before that one that claimed he got ALL his calories from kfc, little ceasers , onion rings etc.

I’m not dumb, I realize that the majority of real big guys have been on real big bulks, but there are plenty of people that follow the 90% rule bulking or cutting and make good gains.[/quote]

Misinterpretation. I don’t get ALL my calories from those foods. Those foods allow me to get ALL my calories.

pretty big difference.

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You guys do remember that Surge is mostly powdered sugar, right?

People add a huge glass of powdered sugar…to their mostly clean diets…TO GAIN MUSCLE!!!

My mind reels at this horrifying concept.

-Sab

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At the heat of my bulk i consumed around 12,000 calories a day. I was drinking 12 pints of milk a day, 1 pint of double cream as well as at least 4 calorie dense meals a day.

I got wicked strong very rapidly but put on a bit too much fat, so i went back down to 6,000 calories a day after two weeks.

But the feeling in the gym was great.

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Man…Everyone gets on me for this shit…I do eat fast food about 3 times a week. But I cut weight…alot of weight and kept my strength in an attempt to be competitive in powerlifting. And I feel I could be at the local level at this point and at my weight. But yea I made good gains from eating tons of food including fast food to hit a high calorie margin and sure it worked and I did work hard in the gym. But I have realized that at some point there becomes a negative return, and this is what I have experienced FOR ME.

Right now I’m trying to get all my calories with clean food. If it works for you guys to eat fast food daily to get your caloric needs then do what fuckin works for you. But maybe I really just misinterpreted your diets based on this thread.

Do I think I know more than x? fuck no…hes obviously much bigger than me, and that goes for most of you guys as well. And yes I know about nutrition and GI ratings of food…I don’t chow down on white rice all fuckin day long…I eat higher carb meals before 2pm and switch to higher fats after that…except preworkout where I drink Surge and have a high carb meal an hour after that…because I have decided to just focus on getting bigger and possibly worry about powerlifting at a later date, I can’t be happy with my body at 160lbs.

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[quote]big balls wrote:
At the heat of my bulk i consumed around 12,000 calories a day. I was drinking 12 pints of milk a day, 1 pint of double cream as well as at least 4 calorie dense meals a day.

I got wicked strong very rapidly but put on a bit too much fat, so i went back down to 6,000 calories a day after two weeks.

But the feeling in the gym was great.[/quote]

and this is the mistake the some make. 12,000 cals/day? what makes you think anyone outside of an olympic athlete would need that many calories.
while there are many who undereat when “bulking”, there are those that think the sky is the limit. There’s a line where it goes from smart to clueless.

not picking on you BB, just a note in general

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[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
big balls wrote:
At the heat of my bulk i consumed around 12,000 calories a day. I was drinking 12 pints of milk a day, 1 pint of double cream as well as at least 4 calorie dense meals a day.

I got wicked strong very rapidly but put on a bit too much fat, so i went back down to 6,000 calories a day after two weeks.

But the feeling in the gym was great.

and this is the mistake the some make. 12,000 cals/day? what makes you think anyone outside of an olympic athlete would need that many calories.
while there are many who undereat when “bulking”, there are those that think the sky is the limit. There’s a line where it goes from smart to clueless.

not picking on you BB, just a note in general[/quote]

Idk about 12,000 but if I run smolov this summer I might be going 8,000-10,000/day. There are situations where average joe might need a huge amount of calories, squatting 4x a week is one.

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I stumbled across my bulking method right now due to this semester being tough. My semester has been cyclical in the fact that I have a few weeks off then really have to study alot for a few weeks. So during the hard times of studying, I have little time to eat and prepare food so I just get calories when and however I can(this means alot of junk at the union). Then I buckle down on my nutrition during the few weeks I have off, I still eat alot it is just cleaner.

What I noticed has been happening is I push my weight up during the hard times, and then during the easier times I lean out a bit while holding the same weight. Kind of what Prof X preaches about trying to hold a bodyweight so your body gets use to it. I know this sounds unorthodox, but it has been the only thing I have been able to do.

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[quote]big balls wrote:
At the heat of my bulk i consumed around 12,000 calories a day. I was drinking 12 pints of milk a day, 1 pint of double cream as well as at least 4 calorie dense meals a day.

I got wicked strong very rapidly but put on a bit too much fat, so i went back down to 6,000 calories a day after two weeks.

But the feeling in the gym was great.[/quote]

This sounds really stupid to me. Why would you drop from 12000 to 6000 calories?
I think there is alot to be said for gradually adding/taking away calories as you need them. That why you are able to judge your progress and adjust your intake as necessary.

I would like to add that I don’t acctually count my calories, but I have a good Idea how much I eat normally and have just been adding more food, I’ll stop when I start putting on excesive fat.

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after i read this thread and did my 20 rep squat workout and almost passed out on the floor of the gym i ate 2 jumbo big bites covered in chilli and delicious onions and then a tripple whopper and then a ribsteak, 2 chicken breasts, corn and beans.

the fact i was still hungry after all of this is disturbing or at least tells that i have some serious issues

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[quote]fatcat wrote:
after i read this thread and did my 20 rep squat workout and almost passed out on the floor of the gym i ate 2 jumbo big bites covered in chilli and delicious onions and then a tripple whopper and then a ribsteak, 2 chicken breasts, corn and beans.

the fact i was still hungry after all of this is disturbing or at least tells that i have some serious issues[/quote]

One of the problems if you eat say only 3 huge meals per day instead of spreading them out is you can actually distent your gut. My buddy in high school was trying to get huge, he had great determination in the gym and even more determination with a fork. I whitnessed him on many occasions eat so much that he puked, he would then eat again because he just wasted all that food. He literally stuffed as much food as he could every meal, but at the time, we didn’t know anything and he was only eating about 3 times a day. Well after a year of eating like this he had developed a huge gut, not fat and flabby, but like a big beer gut round and firm. He put on size overall and has since gotten his gut to come down some but I fear it will always be a little protruding. I would much rather see someone gain extra calories by adding another meal or if you are already eating like 8 meals, then add a little to each meal. (if you are eating 8 meals I doubt you are starving yourself though).

Look, to the kid who got ripped on, You did in fact misunderstand what people were saying, and obviously some of the people who were saying it might have used some hard to transfer to the internet sarcasm. But if you were fully understanding of the principles, you probably would have caught it. Instead you got a little defensive, which made you come off like you were right and those others were wrong. Also you have to Understand that there is working for you right now, and working better for you right now. The only real way you could asses your method versus someone else’s method would be to do yours for a set period, at least 3 months, then do the other method, give it a fair shot and then assess the diference in your whatever. Appearence, strength, weight etc…

Arguing points about how to bulk with someone who is a massive man monster like X is just really gonna make you look like a pencil neck penisface. So as always, just use your head. If you have a point to make and you weigh 160, you might want to try to not pretend you are some authority on the subject and instead interact with the board exactly like you really are, a kid still learning the ropes about this whole game. This way you can become a respected member of the community and people will take you more seriously. With this comes the benefit of people helping you out if you get stuck or answering questions sincerely if you have real questions.

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