^^ he said he “upped my calories by 300-400 daily”… That mean he increased his intake by 3-400 more than he was already eating.
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^ he said he “upped my calories by 300-400 daily”… That mean he increased his intake by 3-400 more than he was already eating.[/quote]
I misunderstood it, to me it sounded like he meant that he upped it by 3-400 every single day, not that he consistently ate that same +300-400 amount every day.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
It’s called a BULK for a reason, RV. It’s generally assumed that some fat gain may be part of it.
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This. You’re in caloric surplus during a bulk, and I don’t care how dialed-in your diet is…there is no way 100% of these extra calories are going towards muscle.
I have noticed that I will hit a body weight that is heavier than I’ve ever been, then I will lose it for like 4 or 5 days and then I will come back almost a pound heavier.
-Example-
Thursday: 199.8 (heaviest you have ever weighed).
Friday: 198.4
Monday: 198.6
Tuesday: 201.0 (New PR)
It’s been going like this for me since early January. I however am not worried about fat gains. If I have to gain 10 lbs of fat to gain 30 lbs of muscle, I will do it. I haven’t had a damn six pack since I’ve been in 3rd grade anyway. Better to be big and smooth than small and smooth in my book. I can take a few weeks to lose bodyfat when I am at a size that I feel uncomfortable being. If you can do it while being lean, that’s great. It just doesn’t seem to work like that for me. Also I am pretty fucking impatient.
My waist has stayed around the same size I now fit in 32 inch jeans instead of 31’s in the brand I normally wear.
Also, I set a new strength PR almost every workout (OHP/Deadlift/Bench Press/Squat). I went to the doctor recently for a physical and to get my hep b antibodies checked for school. I weighed in at 200.5 lbs. 6 months ago when I got admitted to the hospital I was 162 (day after Thanksgiving).
-Zep
[quote]Zeppelin0731 wrote:
I however am not worried about fat gains. If I have to gain 10 lbs of fat to gain 30 lbs of muscle, I will do it. I haven’t had a damn six pack since I’ve been in 3rd grade anyway. Better to be big and smooth than small and smooth in my book. I can take a few weeks to lose bodyfat when I am at a size that I feel uncomfortable being. If you can do it while being lean, that’s great. It just doesn’t seem to work like that for me. Also I am pretty fucking impatient.
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YOU SHUT YOUR FAT WHORE MOUTH!!!
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin0731 wrote:
I however am not worried about fat gains. If I have to gain 10 lbs of fat to gain 30 lbs of muscle, I will do it. I haven’t had a damn six pack since I’ve been in 3rd grade anyway. Better to be big and smooth than small and smooth in my book. I can take a few weeks to lose bodyfat when I am at a size that I feel uncomfortable being. If you can do it while being lean, that’s great. It just doesn’t seem to work like that for me. Also I am pretty fucking impatient.
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YOU SHUT YOUR FAT WHORE MOUTH!!!
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I had like 6 of them all stacked up, then my room mate stumbled into our room. It was awkward at first, because he wasn’t quite sure what was going on, then he just joined in. Shit got freaky. I fucking love cheeseburgers.
-Zep
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin0731 wrote:
I however am not worried about fat gains. If I have to gain 10 lbs of fat to gain 30 lbs of muscle, I will do it. I haven’t had a damn six pack since I’ve been in 3rd grade anyway. Better to be big and smooth than small and smooth in my book. I can take a few weeks to lose bodyfat when I am at a size that I feel uncomfortable being. If you can do it while being lean, that’s great. It just doesn’t seem to work like that for me. Also I am pretty fucking impatient.
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YOU SHUT YOUR FAT WHORE MOUTH!!!
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Your perma-bulking ways have claimed another victim, I see.
I hope you’re happy, sir.
Anyone in their right mind would take 30lbs of pure muscle for 10lbs of far gain.
I would venture to say that most people who go on all out bulks are experiencing results that are opposite of that.
[quote]gregron wrote:
Anyone in their right mind would take 30lbs of pure muscle for 10lbs of far gain.
I would venture to say that most people who go on all out bulks are experiencing results that are opposite of that.[/quote]
I would venture to say that most people won’t see extreme development no matter what they do.
Bodybuilding really has never been for “most people”…because “most people” don’t have the genetics to reach that extreme degree of development.
People should do what works for them and I don’t see anyone saying any different.
That means what most people do shouldn’t even be a concern for the guy looking to really stand out.
^^that is true… “most people” won’t get in the gym and put on 40+lbs (no matter how it’s gained)
I was more referring to most gym goes who are consistent and have a goal to get big. I think most bulkers (experienced guys not withstanding) gain more fat than muscle (staring this based off of the lack of guys I see who lean down and are jacked)
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^that is true… “most people” won’t get in the gym and put on 40+lbs (no matter how it’s gained)
I was more referring to most gym goes who are consistent and have a goal to get big. I think most bulkers (experienced guys not withstanding) gain more fat than muscle (staring this based off of the lack of guys I see who lean down and are jacked)
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I know a ton of people who lift for size and development but don’t give a shit at all about being under 10% body fat. Those people likely won’t diet down because they see no need to. Some people think IDEAL is swole as shit and a little more powerful looking than a dieted down contest ready bodybuilder.
Just because those people may or may not diet down doesn’t mean they can’t or that no one who diets down holds onto muscle mass.
The truth is, different people have different goals.
I had people come up to me last night telling me they liked how I looked at the heavier body weight. That’s strange considering everyone here with an internet connection thinks that condition was “obese”.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^that is true… “most people” won’t get in the gym and put on 40+lbs (no matter how it’s gained)
I was more referring to most gym goes who are consistent and have a goal to get big. I think most bulkers (experienced guys not withstanding) gain more fat than muscle (staring this based off of the lack of guys I see who lean down and are jacked)
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I know a ton of people who lift for size and development but don’t give a shit at all about being under 10% body fat. Those people likely won’t diet down because they see no need to. Some people think IDEAL is swole as shit and a little more powerful looking than a dieted down contest ready bodybuilder.
Just because those people may or may not diet down doesn’t mean they can’t or that no one who diets down holds onto muscle mass.
The truth is, different people have different goals.
I had people come up to me last night telling me they liked how I looked at the heavier body weight. That’s strange considering everyone here with an internet connection thinks that condition was “obese”.[/quote]
“Full House” v “Contest Condition”
InB4 “Fat” v “Single Digit BF”
I had been trying to put on some muscle while maintaining fat for the last couple months. I don’t know what my weight difference was but I was looking bigger and not fatter. Got chicken pox, lost my appetite and couldn’t do shit for almost 3 weeks. Definitely lost some weight (muscle and fat), in the last 2 days multiple people have said I looked skinny, as a compliment but still, that is not the damn look I am going for. I am heading back to the USA in just over 3 weeks where the real bulk will begin.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^that is true… “most people” won’t get in the gym and put on 40+lbs (no matter how it’s gained)
I was more referring to most gym goes who are consistent and have a goal to get big. I think most bulkers (experienced guys not withstanding) gain more fat than muscle (staring this based off of the lack of guys I see who lean down and are jacked)
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I know a ton of people who lift for size and development but don’t give a shit at all about being under 10% body fat. Those people likely won’t diet down because they see no need to. Some people think IDEAL is swole as shit and a little more powerful looking than a dieted down contest ready bodybuilder.
Just because those people may or may not diet down doesn’t mean they can’t or that no one who diets down holds onto muscle mass.
The truth is, different people have different goals.
I had people come up to me last night telling me they liked how I looked at the heavier body weight. That’s strange considering everyone here with an internet connection thinks that condition was “obese”.[/quote]
“Full House” v “Contest Condition”
InB4 “Fat” v “Single Digit BF”[/quote]
Exactly.
I have the opinion that anyone who drastically changes their development to reach an “extreme” level with that as the primary goal is “bodybuilding”. I also know a lot of people who are very impressive who WANT to be “full house” and couldn’t give two shits about someone much smaller and weaker calling them “fat” just because they are 17% body fat…at damn near 300lbs.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
couldn’t give two shits about someone much smaller and weaker[/quote]
Why are you bringing strength into this?
Just curious.
Because not only does strength have nothing to do with bodybuilding, but you really aren’t strong by any regard in the iron game.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^that is true… “most people” won’t get in the gym and put on 40+lbs (no matter how it’s gained)
I was more referring to most gym goes who are consistent and have a goal to get big. I think most bulkers (experienced guys not withstanding) gain more fat than muscle (staring this based off of the lack of guys I see who lean down and are jacked)
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I know a ton of people who lift for size and development but don’t give a shit at all about being under 10% body fat. Those people likely won’t diet down because they see no need to. Some people think IDEAL is swole as shit and a little more powerful looking than a dieted down contest ready bodybuilder.
Just because those people may or may not diet down doesn’t mean they can’t or that no one who diets down holds onto muscle mass.
The truth is, different people have different goals.
I had people come up to me last night telling me they liked how I looked at the heavier body weight. That’s strange considering everyone here with an internet connection thinks that condition was “obese”.[/quote]
“Full House” v “Contest Condition”
InB4 “Fat” v “Single Digit BF”[/quote]
Exactly.
I have the opinion that anyone who drastically changes their development to reach an “extreme” level with that as the primary goal is “bodybuilding”. I also know a lot of people who are very impressive who WANT to be “full house” and couldn’t give two shits about someone much smaller and weaker calling them “fat” just because they are 17% body fat…at damn near 300lbs.[/quote]
Yep.
I’d rather be an off-season Lee Priest, than a contest-ready Frank Zane.
I never said anything about getting contest lean and I did say that my comment doesn’t apply to experienced guys.
What I said was that most guys (not experienced guys who’ve done it before and know what works) who go on all out “bulks” gain more BF than muscle during a bulk. (it was in regards to the “I’d take 10lbs of fat for 30lbs of muscle” comment) that’s why there are so many “bulk fail” threads.
[quote]gregron wrote:
I never said anything about getting contest lean and I did say that my comment doesn’t apply to experienced guys.
What I said was that most guys (not experienced guys who’ve done it before and know what works) who go on all out “bulks” gain more BF than muscle during a bulk. (it was in regards to the “I’d take 10lbs of fat for 30lbs of muscle” comment) that’s why there are so many “bulk fail” threads.[/quote]
First, this is a process that takes years for some people. There are very few people on this forum who even have the genetics to stand out in the gym from what I’ve seen so what do “bulk fail” threads have to do with anything unless these are serious trainers?
MOST PEOPLE who do anything do an average or below average job at it. That doesn’t mean the practice itself is wrong.
If you are gaining that much body fat over muscle mass, you are doing it wrong. The guy who gains half and half may not depending on how long he plans to keep it up and how quickly he personally can lose body fat.
What would it matter if some guy with a fast metabolism gains some extra body fat that can easily be lost later? Serious question.
Why would the people FAILING at it be your sign of what works?
Does that mean the people who fail at any other routine or pursuit represent the validity of that pursuit?
I don’t have a problem with people who want a “full house” look. Everyone has different goals… But I think most would be extremely surprised at how much actual muscle mass they had if they did diet down to contest condition (since you brought up dieting down)
Using a hypothetical example of a 5’10 natty who bulks up to 300lbs to get huge. Obviously there would be a considerable amount of fat gained along with muscle to get that heavy at that height. Once dieted down to contest level the natty could only hope to be 210-220lbs (EXTREME MAX) that means he shed 80-90lbs of fat. (not talking about the dehydration aspect here)
Even if te example person started at 150lbs he would have gained 60-70 lbs of muscle (which would be incredible) while gaining 70-80 lbs of fat. That would still be a less muscle than fat gain on what most would consider a very successful bulk.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
I never said anything about getting contest lean and I did say that my comment doesn’t apply to experienced guys.
What I said was that most guys (not experienced guys who’ve done it before and know what works) who go on all out “bulks” gain more BF than muscle during a bulk. (it was in regards to the “I’d take 10lbs of fat for 30lbs of muscle” comment) that’s why there are so many “bulk fail” threads.[/quote]
First, this is a process that takes years for some people. There are very few people on this forum who even have the genetics to stand out in the gym from what I’ve seen so what do “bulk fail” threads have to do with anything unless these are serious trainers?
MOST PEOPLE who do anything do an average or below average job at it. That doesn’t mean the practice itself is wrong.
If you are gaining that much body fat over muscle mass, you are doing it wrong. The guy who gains half and half may not depending on how long he plans to keep it up and how quickly he personally can lose body fat.
What would it matter if some guy with a fast metabolism gains some extra body fat that can easily be lost later? Serious question.
Why would the people FAILING at it be your sign of what works?
Does that mean the people who fail at any other routine or pursuit represent the validity of that pursuit?[/quote]
You literally did not adress a single thing I said.