Honestly weight doesn’t mean anything it’s body composition. If you are 160 still but leaner your doing something right.
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Honestly weight doesn’t mean anything it’s body composition. If you are 160 still but leaner your doing something right. [/quote]
Well comparing to older pics of me, I look better at 160 now than I used to at around 153 a year ago, so something must be going well. Shooting for 2 pounds a month until december, so to be around 170-175lbs and than cut back to 150-155.
[quote]jeanmich wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Honestly weight doesn’t mean anything it’s body composition. If you are 160 still but leaner your doing something right. [/quote]
Well comparing to older pics of me, I look better at 160 now than I used to at around 153 a year ago, so something must be going well. Shooting for 2 pounds a month until december, so to be around 170-175lbs and than cut back to 150-155. [/quote]
Well sounds to me like you are doing it right and making progress. Well done man. Props
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]jeanmich wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Honestly weight doesn’t mean anything it’s body composition. If you are 160 still but leaner your doing something right. [/quote]
Well comparing to older pics of me, I look better at 160 now than I used to at around 153 a year ago, so something must be going well. Shooting for 2 pounds a month until december, so to be around 170-175lbs and than cut back to 150-155. [/quote]
Well sounds to me like you are doing it right and making progress. Well done man. Props [/quote]
Thanks, slowly but surely eh! This will be my first real ‘‘lean mass phase’’ aka clean bulk aka slow climb. Around 2 month into it and gained a fair amount of weight and strenght. Maybe one day I’ll look like you ahah!
Lol I have no doubt you will catch me man. Consistency is what it’s all about. Sounds like you have it figured out. Now execute and reap the rewards and keep your eye on the big picture it helps.
[quote]jeanmich wrote:
If I had the courage and enough self-esteem to just eat big and forget about how I look for the sake of gains and getting to 20% without caring so much, I’m sure I would make better gains. I don’t mind cutting, actually I prefer it, because I can get control over what I eat and it’s like Me vs Food. Sitting at around 13-15% and looking to gain size, just plain afraid of overeating. Been siting a 160 for 3 weeks now, seems like a mental bridge has to be walked for me to gain more.
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What gains would that give you other than reaching 20% though? Considering your other posts have said you are continually, albeit gradually, putting on weight recently.
The only time I got away with eating waaaaay above maintenance was when I was just starting, thought I could get away with it again and those lbs on the scale were muscle gainz but naw. Was just a fat, smooth watery mess.
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
[quote]jeanmich wrote:
If I had the courage and enough self-esteem to just eat big and forget about how I look for the sake of gains and getting to 20% without caring so much, I’m sure I would make better gains. I don’t mind cutting, actually I prefer it, because I can get control over what I eat and it’s like Me vs Food. Sitting at around 13-15% and looking to gain size, just plain afraid of overeating. Been siting a 160 for 3 weeks now, seems like a mental bridge has to be walked for me to gain more.
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What gains would that give you other than reaching 20% though? Considering your other posts have said you are continually, albeit gradually, putting on weight recently.
The only time I got away with eating waaaaay above maintenance was when I was just starting, thought I could get away with it again and those lbs on the scale were muscle gainz but naw. Was just a fat, smooth watery mess.
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Well, I guess my idea of better gains from more eating comes from bad influences around the web ahah, would much prefer staying close to 15% and gradualy gaining, even if that means that I’d have to do mini-cuts of 1 month every 4-5 months, just to lose some 4-6lbs every now and then. Sound like a good plan to me!
[quote]jeanmich wrote:
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
[quote]jeanmich wrote:
If I had the courage and enough self-esteem to just eat big and forget about how I look for the sake of gains and getting to 20% without caring so much, I’m sure I would make better gains. I don’t mind cutting, actually I prefer it, because I can get control over what I eat and it’s like Me vs Food. Sitting at around 13-15% and looking to gain size, just plain afraid of overeating. Been siting a 160 for 3 weeks now, seems like a mental bridge has to be walked for me to gain more.
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What gains would that give you other than reaching 20% though? Considering your other posts have said you are continually, albeit gradually, putting on weight recently.
The only time I got away with eating waaaaay above maintenance was when I was just starting, thought I could get away with it again and those lbs on the scale were muscle gainz but naw. Was just a fat, smooth watery mess.
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Well, I guess my idea of better gains from more eating comes from bad influences around the web ahah, would much prefer staying close to 15% and gradualy gaining, even if that means that I’d have to do mini-cuts of 1 month every 4-5 months, just to lose some 4-6lbs every now and then. Sound like a good plan to me![/quote]
I hope I will be as level headed as you when it comes for me to get start gaining again haha
You’ll be RATTLEHEAD, I’m sure you’ll be.
[quote]jeanmich wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Honestly weight doesn’t mean anything it’s body composition. If you are 160 still but leaner your doing something right. [/quote]
Well comparing to older pics of me, I look better at 160 now than I used to at around 153 a year ago, so something must be going well. Shooting for 2 pounds a month until december, so to be around 170-175lbs and than cut back to 150-155. [/quote]
Why even bother? Dont cut until you get to like 195+.
Get big and stronger. I have been lifting with this mindset for almost 13 months now. Im not sure what I am going to weigh when I cut down a bit (maybe next few months), but I hope to keep my new strength. (Ex, dl from 240x3 to 410x3, bench from 165 to 280, etc.) I want to do a PL comp some day too just to see what its like. I have had no problems being at the body fat % I am at (It’s the damn mirror that counts, not the numbers) and I will guarantee that I will look better cutting down from 208 (been hovering here for a while for various reasons) than when I started at 162. It is better to be fat/big/strong as hell, than small and have abs. When I’m done cutting, Im gonna go to the beach, take a few douchey pics to make my avatar on here, and then bloat back up to try to get stronger/bigger.
When I started I was a frustrated average gym goer that wondered why I never made progress. Then I just decided that I was gonna slam food until I “got it” some day. 8 months and several new wardrobes later, I finally got told that I looked like a grown man. People started to notice a bit. It was nice. I remember that I said I was going to not count calories, I was going to count pounds of food haha. It worked for me, and I never got uncomfortable. I earned my first stretch marks on my lats and pec/delt area. I got a ton stronger, and I am still relatively well conditioned compared to an average human being. Insulin does not target only muscle fibers, regardless of what anyone says. It is the facts of life. Just eat big, lift hard, and enjoy the ride man.
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Glad you found your way man but that is certainly not the only way. And to say someone has to do it your way is reminiscent of a prolific poster here.
I think the same progress can be made staying relatively lean if that is more comfortable for the individual. It takes a different mind set but it certainly works. And strength can be gained as well
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Glad you found your way man but that is certainly not the only way. And to say someone has to do it your way is reminiscent of a prolific poster here.
I think the same progress can be made staying relatively lean if that is more comfortable for the individual. It takes a different mind set but it certainly works. And strength can be gained as well[/quote]
I didn’t say it was the only way. I was asking, why you had to keep lean to run a bulk? A lot of guys act like if they go one day off their diet, it will go straight to their washboard abs. I have never counted calories, IVE COUNTED POUNDS OF FOOD, and I didn’t turn into what I would consider a slob, or run into the “PermaBulk” stuff.
Realistically I want to be a strong 185-190, but I also know that your hypothalamus (or maybe it is your thalamus, I cant remember at the moment) regulates your weight, and the only way to reset that is to gain weight and carry it for a while. There is nothing wrong with either way, but I do honestly believe that a lot of big name bodybuilders have at on point or another said “F my waistline. I’m gonna get big.”
I have had lifting partners that paid very close attention to their cals/macros, because they didn’t want to get fat. ALL of them have gotten frustrated by their lack of progress/slow results, and quit.
Why would you want to gain 5 lbs a year? You can gain a lot more in your first year of training than 5 lbs. You are holding yourself back unnecessarily. Bruce Randall even said in the video I posted that it took him a few years to build up to 401, but months to cut to 215 or whatever it was, and that was before steroids were a huge thing (I think haha). Look at George Leeman. To my knowledge he was run off this site for his way of bulking. Im not saying you have to be as extreme, but there is nothing wrong with packing on a few pounds, or letting your abs get a little blurry/soft for a while. I believe Arnold did the same for a period of his career.
Again, with the gaining strength thing, there are a lot of guys that are small as hell and lift a lot more than me, but I don’t want to be them either haha.
I would rather gain 5lbs a year than gain 40 and cut to only net 6-7 lbs a year. Muscle weight is all that matters to me. The look of being big and lean is all that matters. Being just big is not my goal. So your approach does not work for me. This is where personal preference and goals come to play. When you are past 2-3 years of serious training and diet you are just kidding yourself if you are thinking you packing on double digit amounts of quality weight.
Also it is the hypothalamus. The thalamus is basically a relay station.
GL used steriod to help him cut and he still had to get to 220 to be lean. It’s easily possible to get to that weight at his height in the same time frame while being much leaner.
Always tossing and turning between the lean gain approach and the get-to-200lbs-then-figure-it-out approach ahahah
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Glad you found your way man but that is certainly not the only way. And to say someone has to do it your way is reminiscent of a prolific poster here.
I think the same progress can be made staying relatively lean if that is more comfortable for the individual. It takes a different mind set but it certainly works. And strength can be gained as well[/quote]
I pretty much agree But It is an individual thing for sure.It comes down to how comfortable you are as to how high you push up your BF%.I like to stay on the lean side and I’ve noticed that when I tried to go higher I just didn’t feel good.Even my motivation to train went down because of it so I know now what works for me.
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
I would rather gain 5lbs a year than gain 40 and cut to only net 6-7 lbs a year. Muscle weight is all that matters to me. The look of being big and lean is all that matters. Being just big is not my goal. So your approach does not work for me. This is where personal preference and goals come to play. When you are past 2-3 years of serious training and diet you are just kidding yourself if you are thinking you packing on double digit amounts of quality weight. [/quote]
mirrors my thinking exactly
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
I would rather gain 5lbs a year than gain 40 and cut to only net 6-7 lbs a year. Muscle weight is all that matters to me. The look of being big and lean is all that matters. Being just big is not my goal. So your approach does not work for me. This is where personal preference and goals come to play. When you are past 2-3 years of serious training and diet you are just kidding yourself if you are thinking you packing on double digit amounts of quality weight.
Also it is the hypothalamus. The thalamus is basically a relay station.
GL used steriod to help him cut and he still had to get to 220 to be lean. It’s easily possible to get to that weight at his height in the same time frame while being much leaner. [/quote]
That big cut is a LOT of extra stress on your endocrine system. The broscience approach(backed by science!) of slowly gaining will help keep hormone levels higher at all times, which in theory will give better results in the long term.
EDIT: I don’t think this applies as much to skinny bastards. Skinny bastards don’t know how to eat, so learning that will be the most important for long term progress.
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Go look at the thread done cutting. That’s the exact reason you don’t do that. You end up cutting for over a year to get to a decent leanness. Who would ever want to do that?[/quote]
I took 2.
[quote]trivium wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Glad you found your way man but that is certainly not the only way. And to say someone has to do it your way is reminiscent of a prolific poster here.
I think the same progress can be made staying relatively lean if that is more comfortable for the individual. It takes a different mind set but it certainly works. And strength can be gained as well[/quote]
I didn’t say it was the only way. I was asking, why you had to keep lean to run a bulk? A lot of guys act like if they go one day off their diet, it will go straight to their washboard abs. I have never counted calories, IVE COUNTED POUNDS OF FOOD, and I didn’t turn into what I would consider a slob, or run into the “PermaBulk” stuff.
Realistically I want to be a strong 185-190, but I also know that your hypothalamus (or maybe it is your thalamus, I cant remember at the moment) regulates your weight, and the only way to reset that is to gain weight and carry it for a while. There is nothing wrong with either way, but I do honestly believe that a lot of big name bodybuilders have at on point or another said “F my waistline. I’m gonna get big.”
I have had lifting partners that paid very close attention to their cals/macros, because they didn’t want to get fat. ALL of them have gotten frustrated by their lack of progress/slow results, and quit.
Why would you want to gain 5 lbs a year? You can gain a lot more in your first year of training than 5 lbs. You are holding yourself back unnecessarily. Bruce Randall even said in the video I posted that it took him a few years to build up to 401, but months to cut to 215 or whatever it was, and that was before steroids were a huge thing (I think haha). Look at George Leeman. To my knowledge he was run off this site for his way of bulking. Im not saying you have to be as extreme, but there is nothing wrong with packing on a few pounds, or letting your abs get a little blurry/soft for a while. I believe Arnold did the same for a period of his career.
Again, with the gaining strength thing, there are a lot of guys that are small as hell and lift a lot more than me, but I don’t want to be them either haha.[/quote]
I agree with you.
It is strange you are getting ganged up on for your opinion.
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Go look at the thread done cutting. That’s the exact reason you don’t do that. You end up cutting for over a year to get to a decent leanness. Who would ever want to do that?[/quote]
Dude, what is “a decent leanness”?
Is it possible that everyone will have a different personal standard they are shooting for?
It didn’t take me a year to look “decent” to me. Decent to you shouldn’t even matter.