[quote]pushharder wrote:
For those who truly have a problem with stimulating appetite there is an option called GHRP-6.[/quote]
Also eq
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
For those who truly have a problem with stimulating appetite there is an option called GHRP-6.[/quote]
Also eq[/quote]
Equipoise (I assume that’s what you are referring to) is in a different class compared to G6 as a peptide can be obtained legally.
G-6 will absolutely, positively have you eating tree bark if that’s all that’s close by after receiving a moderate to full size dosage. It’s incredibly powerful.[/quote]
I never said GHRP 6 wouldn’t. It certainly will. I thought we were listing appetite boosting compounds
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
For those who truly have a problem with stimulating appetite there is an option called GHRP-6.[/quote]
Also eq[/quote]
Equipoise (I assume that’s what you are referring to) is in a different class compared to G6 as a peptide can be obtained legally.
G-6 will absolutely, positively have you eating tree bark if that’s all that’s close by after receiving a moderate to full size dosage. It’s incredibly powerful.[/quote]
I thought GHRP-6 became a controlled substance(prescription only)?
[quote]red04 wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
For those who truly have a problem with stimulating appetite there is an option called GHRP-6.[/quote]
Also eq[/quote]
Equipoise (I assume that’s what you are referring to) is in a different class compared to G6 as a peptide can be obtained legally.
G-6 will absolutely, positively have you eating tree bark if that’s all that’s close by after receiving a moderate to full size dosage. It’s incredibly powerful.[/quote]
I thought GHRP-6 became a controlled substance(prescription only)?[/quote]
For research only. It’s a research peptide
I’m no endocrinologist but I personally believe that one of the best reasons of maintaining a hefty calorie surplus is to stay in an anabolic state for as long as possible. Its also my understanding that insulin pretty much calls the shots on that, and other than leptin, glucagon is a hunger hormone that is released in the absence of insulin.
So if you wait until you are hungry then your body knows your blood sugar is low, insulin is low, and its unlikely to be anabolic. I know that I’m personally eating enough when I’m never hungry, and sometime have to make effort to force it down. I dont even eat as well as most of you do, I’m talking fried chicken and pancakes, I just cook the majority of it, maintain a high protein intake and my naturally fast metabolism keeps me at a sunny 10% BF always.
Also, whoever said something about setting target a weight was spot on.
You absolutely have to get used to carrying more weight once your frame begins filling out. You wont be able to sleep the same way because things will go numb. Your tendons have to become acclimated to extra stress from the heavier weights you most likely are pulling. You have to learn to adapt your diet and really your kitchen (aka body factory) habits to accommodate the extra calories, and sneak their consumption into your work schedule. I also suspect your hormones have to find the right balance the maintain your body composition / elevated metabolism. Sometimes I’ve had to try a couple times to stay at a weight I managed to reach before I got it to stay. Additionally, if you are young or broke or both, you may not be able to fiscally sustain a calorie surplus, let alone an optimal high quality one of 4k kcals a day of chicken and vegetables.
I’ve visited pawnshops so I can buy protein powder. Take advantage when you can, provided catering? Dinner with relatives? Or my all time favorite all you can eat buffet/college cafeteria?
Recovery and mobility work become extra important as well, the more muscle tissue you have, the more there is to stiffen up if you dont take the time to do soft tissue work or fit some sort of mobility work regularly. I foam roll on a metal treadmill rotor. Its not something you do and be done either its an upkeep cost, just like extra calories. This is even more important when you are a ludicrous volume advocate. Oh your knee tendon hurts so you don’t wanna squat? Ice it, wrap it, foam roll your IT loosten your hams and go do it. Doing less wont get you where you wanna be, do more to fix it. What are you saving you knee for if your not gonna bend it.
So true. No black magic or sorcery about it, although you might assume so for how maligned the idea is, but once you understand that more recovery is the most important part of AAS’ appeal, then you can appreciate the fact that the max recovery principle is still important without AAS. And I dont mean lengthy deload periods or 3 30 minute workouts a week, but resting as little as you need to continuously sustain the beating of max effort, heavy, and lengthy workouts. For which you need the testosterone provided from lots of calories, and their associated anabolism.
To sum it up, would you rather err on the side of backing off from max effort workouts or on the side of eating excess calories to endure them? Who gonna be bigger and stronger, and more apt to be aesthetically pleasing?
Correct me if I am wrong…but an assisted bulk is in a whole different world than a natty bulk…different rule book.
I suppose but the principles are all the same, your body just has a leg up doing what you need to be doing anyway
[quote]c.m.l. wrote:
I suppose but the principles are all the same, your body just has a leg up doing what you need to be doing anyway[/quote]
Meh, kinda.
When you’re assisted it is much easier to gain muscle.
When you are assisted it is much easier to lose fat.
With that being said the rules for approaching nutrition aren’t really the same because you can “get away with” a lot more.
inB4 “OMG GUIZE DA ROIDZ AREN’T A MAGIC PILL. YOU STILL NEED HARD WORKS”
I already know this.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong…but an assisted bulk is in a whole different world than a natty bulk…different rule book.[/quote]
yerp, assuming your doing everything right. assisted will mean you will gain muscle at a faster weight and you can bulk for longer periods of time, due to their being no real problem with muscle mass loss during a large cut that nattys have.
[quote]c.m.l. wrote:
I’m no endocrinologist but I personally believe that one of the best reasons of maintaining a hefty calorie surplus is to stay in an anabolic state for as long as possible. Its also my understanding that insulin pretty much calls the shots on that, and other than leptin, glucagon is a hunger hormone that is released in the absence of insulin.
So if you wait until you are hungry then your body knows your blood sugar is low, insulin is low, and its unlikely to be anabolic. I know that I’m personally eating enough when I’m never hungry, and sometime have to make effort to force it down. I dont even eat as well as most of you do, I’m talking fried chicken and pancakes, I just cook the majority of it, maintain a high protein intake and my naturally fast metabolism keeps me at a sunny 10% BF always.
Also, whoever said something about setting target a weight was spot on.
You absolutely have to get used to carrying more weight once your frame begins filling out. You wont be able to sleep the same way because things will go numb. Your tendons have to become acclimated to extra stress from the heavier weights you most likely are pulling. You have to learn to adapt your diet and really your kitchen (aka body factory) habits to accommodate the extra calories, and sneak their consumption into your work schedule. I also suspect your hormones have to find the right balance the maintain your body composition / elevated metabolism. Sometimes I’ve had to try a couple times to stay at a weight I managed to reach before I got it to stay. Additionally, if you are young or broke or both, you may not be able to fiscally sustain a calorie surplus, let alone an optimal high quality one of 4k kcals a day of chicken and vegetables.
I’ve visited pawnshops so I can buy protein powder. Take advantage when you can, provided catering? Dinner with relatives? Or my all time favorite all you can eat buffet/college cafeteria?
Recovery and mobility work become extra important as well, the more muscle tissue you have, the more there is to stiffen up if you dont take the time to do soft tissue work or fit some sort of mobility work regularly. I foam roll on a metal treadmill rotor. Its not something you do and be done either its an upkeep cost, just like extra calories. This is even more important when you are a ludicrous volume advocate. Oh your knee tendon hurts so you don’t wanna squat? Ice it, wrap it, foam roll your IT loosten your hams and go do it. Doing less wont get you where you wanna be, do more to fix it. What are you saving you knee for if your not gonna bend it.
So true. No black magic or sorcery about it, although you might assume so for how maligned the idea is, but once you understand that more recovery is the most important part of AAS’ appeal, then you can appreciate the fact that the max recovery principle is still important without AAS. And I dont mean lengthy deload periods or 3 30 minute workouts a week, but resting as little as you need to continuously sustain the beating of max effort, heavy, and lengthy workouts. For which you need the testosterone provided from lots of calories, and their associated anabolism.
To sum it up, would you rather err on the side of backing off from max effort workouts or on the side of eating excess calories to endure them? Who gonna be bigger and stronger, and more apt to be aesthetically pleasing?[/quote]
Great post.
The rules are the same assisted or not. The difference would be the results overall, but the human body still works the same.
If you have trouble losing any body fat, don’t gain more than you can deal with.
Someone who loses fat easily doesn’t have to worry about that.
[quote]c.m.l. wrote:
I suppose but the principles are all the same, your body just has a leg up doing what you need to be doing anyway[/quote]
This is true. Steroids increase protein anabolism. That means someone on can gain more muscle from the same effort in general…but the basic principal of making sure the majority of what you gain is muscle stands. The concept doesn’t change.
[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
For what it’s worth, I am the one that referenced you, Bauber. Professor X seems to think that he has “won the argument” now that he has pointed out that you did, indeed, “dirty bulk” at one point like he did. I did say that you, now, eat clean year round. I didn’t, however, say that you have in your entire lifting career eaten clean. I simply said that, after all this time, the conclusion you have come to is that eating clean, or “clean bulking”, is the more healthy and effective method. If I came to the wrong conclusion, I apologize. I, in no way, want to start problems for Bauber or make his personal life the topic of debate. I merely listened to what he said and came to the conclusion that, if he had to pick a bulking approach, it would be “clean bulking”. I really don’t want this to become another argument and am not sure why it was even brought up. Bauber is a good guy and doesn’t deserve to be used as a tool for Professor X’s arguments.[/quote]
I brought it up because you made it seem as if he did something different.
He didn’t. All of us eat cleaner over time as we discover what works best for us in our diet.
How “clean” you eat is by far less important than whether what you are doing is actually growing muscles.
I think anyone who makes progress is going to modify how they train, eat, and take supplements over the course of time. Learning is part of the journey in any endeavor.
[quote]Bauber wrote:
I think anyone who makes progress is going to modify how they train, eat, and take supplements over the course of time. Learning is part of the journey in any endeavor.[/quote]
Yep you should always be evolving and learning
So lets see the bber that went from 160 to 220 and stayed at 10-12% bf all the way up, I think that would be very rare
[quote]gswork wrote:
So lets see the bber that went from 160 to 220 and stayed at 10-12% bf all the way up, I think that would be very rare[/quote]
I already posted my pics but I started at 155 and am now 220 and never lost my 6 pack and serratus
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]gswork wrote:
So lets see the bber that went from 160 to 220 and stayed at 10-12% bf all the way up, I think that would be very rare[/quote]
I already posted my pics but I started at 155 and am now 220 and never lost my 6 pack and serratus [/quote]
Now that is good, are you young though? (Doesnt take anything away mind you but young is ideal for hormones etc)
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]gswork wrote:
So lets see the bber that went from 160 to 220 and stayed at 10-12% bf all the way up, I think that would be very rare[/quote]
I already posted my pics but I started at 155 and am now 220 and never lost my 6 pack and serratus [/quote]
Now that is good, are you young though? (Doesnt take anything away mind you but young is ideal for hormones etc)
[quote]gswork wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]gswork wrote:
So lets see the bber that went from 160 to 220 and stayed at 10-12% bf all the way up, I think that would be very rare[/quote]
I already posted my pics but I started at 155 and am now 220 and never lost my 6 pack and serratus [/quote]
Now that is good, are you young though? (Doesnt take anything away mind you but young is ideal for hormones etc)[/quote]
24 and for 6 months of those 2 years I had less testosterone in my system than a woman it wasn’t normalized until 8 months into my Gaining