The OP really wasn’t asking for help. I saw this thread as more of a survey. Like, “Hey, how do you all like to do it?” Not, “Hey, tell me how your way is best”.
[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
The OP really wasn’t asking for help. I saw this thread as more of a survey. Like, “Hey, how do you all like to do it?” Not, “Hey, tell me how your way is best”.[/quote]
Isn’t that essentially the same thing? Of course the way you do it is the way you think is the best and then give reasons why.
[quote]Ripsaw3689 wrote:
[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
The OP really wasn’t asking for help. I saw this thread as more of a survey. Like, “Hey, how do you all like to do it?” Not, “Hey, tell me how your way is best”.[/quote]
Isn’t that essentially the same thing? Of course the way you do it is the way you think is the best and then give reasons why. [/quote]
I would say asking for help would be saying here is what I am doing fix it or tell me what to do.
A poll is more seeing how ppl prefer and why
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]Ripsaw3689 wrote:
[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
The OP really wasn’t asking for help. I saw this thread as more of a survey. Like, “Hey, how do you all like to do it?” Not, “Hey, tell me how your way is best”.[/quote]
Isn’t that essentially the same thing? Of course the way you do it is the way you think is the best and then give reasons why. [/quote]
I would say asking for help would be saying here is what I am doing fix it or tell me what to do.
A poll is more seeing how ppl prefer and why [/quote]
Yeah I’m all for that but there is some distinction between someone telling me how they prefer to gain muscle when they have looked essentially the same for the last ten years of their training life and have not reached a respectable level of development, and someone who has been in the trenches and accomplished something reasonable.
I see the same things over and over again. People use their own results and extrapolate their worldview from that. They do not ever assume at first that maybe they made a mistake somewhere. Then their world view becomes the only worldview possible.
For example, one person says that 8 pounds is perfectly acceptable for a 12 week first time test cycle, and suddenly thats the gold standard for first cycles. More people chime in with their own similar experience and all of a sudden thats all that is humanly possible from a first cycle.
Thats because some people know what the fuck they’re doing and most don’t. But everybody has an opinion. The truth is though there is a magic formula for muscle growth, and it sounds easy to grasp on paper. So easy in fact you can follow that paper theory, make some gains and think you’ve got it nailed.
The reality is though its more like playing a violin. Yeah, given the instructions most people could play one, and get something out of it, but the ones who’ve made it sing have learned the fine details of the art.
If you wanted to learn the violin, who would you want to learn from?
Asking how others do things does not equal telling someone to do it this way. It does not equal this is what you should expect. It’s merely stating what you did and what your results were. It’s the persons job to find what works for them and their goals.
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
For example, one person says that 8 pounds is perfectly acceptable for a 12 week first time test cycle, and suddenly thats the gold standard for first cycles. More people chime in with their own similar experience and all of a sudden thats all that is humanly possible from a first cycle.
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lol!
I… I did my best… sob
I’d hurt my back sob sob and… and… that interfered with leg training sob sob
I promise I’ll do better next time MassiveGuns
PLEASE DON’T LEAVE ME I CAN CHANGE
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
For example, one person says that 8 pounds is perfectly acceptable for a 12 week first time test cycle, and suddenly thats the gold standard for first cycles. More people chime in with their own similar experience and all of a sudden thats all that is humanly possible from a first cycle.
[/quote]
lol!
I… I did my best… sob
I’d hurt my back sob sob and… and… that interfered with leg training sob sob
I promise I’ll do better next time MassiveGuns
PLEASE DON’T LEAVE ME I CAN CHANGE[/quote]
You suck MG probably gained 20lbs on his. The king of amazing claims with no pics to back it up
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
For example, one person says that 8 pounds is perfectly acceptable for a 12 week first time test cycle, and suddenly thats the gold standard for first cycles. More people chime in with their own similar experience and all of a sudden thats all that is humanly possible from a first cycle.
[/quote]
lol!
I… I did my best… sob
I’d hurt my back sob sob and… and… that interfered with leg training sob sob
I promise I’ll do better next time MassiveGuns
PLEASE DON’T LEAVE ME I CAN CHANGE[/quote]
Ok ok, just don’t leave the toilet seat up.
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
IMO if you are doing a first cycle then you should have test dosed correctly, and have dome dbol or anadrol in there, and a small dose of short estered eq, and preferably 2iu’s of GH every day. Why waste time? All sides can be controlled pretty much apart from hairloss but if you are choosing to use then you shouldn’t be too concerned about your hair…
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to be fair if I’d done this for my first cycle instead of 480mg test/week then I’d have gained way more than 8lbs…
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
For example, one person says that 8 pounds is perfectly acceptable for a 12 week first time test cycle, and suddenly thats the gold standard for first cycles. More people chime in with their own similar experience and all of a sudden thats all that is humanly possible from a first cycle.
[/quote]
lol!
I… I did my best… sob
I’d hurt my back sob sob and… and… that interfered with leg training sob sob
I promise I’ll do better next time MassiveGuns
PLEASE DON’T LEAVE ME I CAN CHANGE[/quote]
Ok ok, just don’t leave the toilet seat up.
[/quote]
I’ll sit down from now on just to be sure
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
For example, one person says that 8 pounds is perfectly acceptable for a 12 week first time test cycle, and suddenly thats the gold standard for first cycles. More people chime in with their own similar experience and all of a sudden thats all that is humanly possible from a first cycle.
[/quote]
lol!
I… I did my best… sob
I’d hurt my back sob sob and… and… that interfered with leg training sob sob
I promise I’ll do better next time MassiveGuns
PLEASE DON’T LEAVE ME I CAN CHANGE[/quote]
You suck MG probably gained 20lbs on his. The king of amazing claims with no pics to back it up
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Well if you know I just talk trash and don’t have a clue what I’m doing then you certainly don’t have to listen to me and you can feel confident when you gain your next 5lbs from 16 weeks of a gram of test that it’s a fantastic result.
Everyones a winner.
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
IMO if you are doing a first cycle then you should have test dosed correctly, and have dome dbol or anadrol in there, and a small dose of short estered eq, and preferably 2iu’s of GH every day. Why waste time? All sides can be controlled pretty much apart from hairloss but if you are choosing to use then you shouldn’t be too concerned about your hair…
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to be fair if I’d done this for my first cycle instead of 480mg test/week then I’d have gained way more than 8lbs…[/quote]
Now you’re talking and on balance, if you aren’t the sort to keep cycling, your one cycle might be all you need to get you where you want to go. Less cycles = less risk of long term shutdown.
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
For example, one person says that 8 pounds is perfectly acceptable for a 12 week first time test cycle, and suddenly thats the gold standard for first cycles. More people chime in with their own similar experience and all of a sudden thats all that is humanly possible from a first cycle.
[/quote]
lol!
I… I did my best… sob
I’d hurt my back sob sob and… and… that interfered with leg training sob sob
I promise I’ll do better next time MassiveGuns
PLEASE DON’T LEAVE ME I CAN CHANGE[/quote]
You suck MG probably gained 20lbs on his. The king of amazing claims with no pics to back it up
[/quote]
Well if you know I just talk trash and don’t have a clue what I’m doing then you certainly don’t have to listen to me and you can feel confident when you gain your next 5lbs from 16 weeks of a gram of test that it’s a fantastic result.
Everyones a winner.
[/quote]
Lol where did you get my next cycle from and why is it a gram of test?
Since you brought it up what was your first cycle and what did you gain MG?
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
For example, one person says that 8 pounds is perfectly acceptable for a 12 week first time test cycle, and suddenly thats the gold standard for first cycles. More people chime in with their own similar experience and all of a sudden thats all that is humanly possible from a first cycle.
[/quote]
lol!
I… I did my best… sob
I’d hurt my back sob sob and… and… that interfered with leg training sob sob
I promise I’ll do better next time MassiveGuns
PLEASE DON’T LEAVE ME I CAN CHANGE[/quote]
You suck MG probably gained 20lbs on his. The king of amazing claims with no pics to back it up
[/quote]
My first cycle I gained roughly 30 lbs. That being said it was not all muscle, obviously, but my lifts went up dramatically and I looked a hell of a lot thicker all over.
[quote]Bauber wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
For example, one person says that 8 pounds is perfectly acceptable for a 12 week first time test cycle, and suddenly thats the gold standard for first cycles. More people chime in with their own similar experience and all of a sudden thats all that is humanly possible from a first cycle.
[/quote]
lol!
I… I did my best… sob
I’d hurt my back sob sob and… and… that interfered with leg training sob sob
I promise I’ll do better next time MassiveGuns
PLEASE DON’T LEAVE ME I CAN CHANGE[/quote]
You suck MG probably gained 20lbs on his. The king of amazing claims with no pics to back it up
[/quote]
My first cycle I gained roughly 30 lbs. That being said it was not all muscle, obviously, but my lifts went up dramatically and I looked a hell of a lot thicker all over.[/quote]
Honestly that is totally normal. My argument is who gives a shit about water and suprapysiologic glycogen stores and even more water and some fat. After the water drops and the fat drops back 8-12lbs is damn good for a first 12-16 week cycle IMO
Oh I completely agree there. Badass gains for sure. Was just giving input, not disagreeing at all.
[quote]Bauber wrote:
Oh I completely agree there. Badass gains for sure. Was just giving input, not disagreeing at all.[/quote]
I realize I was merely clarifying for others reading.
[quote]maverick88 wrote:
Yeah, because this guy is at the top of physical development.[/quote]
I couldn’t find a legit bio on this guy.
Anyone know his stats or anything outside of his mini bio from the article?
Top physical development.
Hmmmmm.
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Since you brought it up what was your first cycle and what did you gain MG?[/quote]
If I remember correctly, and I’m a little fuzzy. It started off at 3-400mg of test cyp, I soon added in equivalent amounts of deca, and gradually increased the dosage over the next 16-20 weeks, throwing in dbol along the way, and I think drol at the end??. After I’d come off and recovered I kept just under 20lbs.