[quote]snipeout wrote:
10 years of the same stuff…
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Serious question…have you noticed yet that bodybuilding/weightlifting/powerlifting isn’t so complicated that brand new topics would even need to come up even once a year?
he most complicated aspect is the mind of the person training. When it comes down to it, way more relies on your will power and drive than anything someone could ever write here.
The biggest most impressive people I have ever known knew the LEAST about the stuff most people here talk about.
If your body is ready to grow 5lbs and you only feed it enough for 2, you will hold yourself back.[/quote]
How have you figured out when your body is primed to gain 2 or 5 pounds of muscle in a specific time frame and how can you tell?
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That’s the point, you can’t tell. You have to make sure you are providing what your body needs when IT is ready to grow the most.
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I assume–though wrongfully so–that your implied strategy is just gross overeating. I’ve asked your strategy before and we’re talking about others’ strategies here. Care to share yours… with some details that is?[/quote]
Gross overeating? If someone is gaining too much fat they cut back on calories or carbs. You are the only one making this complicated.[/quote]
Actually, increasing or decresing ones calories by 10 to 15% for gaining and cutting and seeing what happens isn’t that complicated.
[quote]snipeout wrote:
10 years of the same stuff…
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Serious question…have you noticed yet that bodybuilding/weightlifting/powerlifting isn’t so complicated that brand new topics would even need to come up even once a year?
he most complicated aspect is the mind of the person training. When it comes down to it, way more relies on your will power and drive than anything someone could ever write here.
The biggest most impressive people I have ever known knew the LEAST about the stuff most people here talk about.[/quote]
Really just referring to the way you post and your general attitude towards anyone who doesn’t fall in line with your perception of “bodybuilding”. You most definitely have a wealth of knowledge, but you act as if everyone is beneath you and doesn’t deserve the same respect everyone at least initially gives to you. If you truly act this way day to day with people in real life it must truly be a lonely life for you.
OMFG its like people are purposely mis-reading what is being said.
no one said dont be afraid to loose some ab definition… what people here are arguing against is that one must gain massive amounts of fat to get big.[/quote]
QUESTION: WHO HERE IS SAYING THIS???
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a bit of gained fat is inevitable, but people that get up into the 20-30% BF range as a natural really are deluded about the amount of muscle they are putting on and carrying. you CANNOT force feed muscle growth as a natural![/quote]
Actually, this isn’t about “force feeding” muscle growth. It never has been.
This nonsense completely ignores genetics.
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now this isnt exact, some genetic elite may be able to gain a bit more but this is a very good guide line for the average lifter. [/quote]
[quote]snipeout wrote:
Really just referring to the way you post and your general attitude towards anyone who doesn’t fall in line with your perception of “bodybuilding”. You most definitely have a wealth of knowledge, but you act as if everyone is beneath you and doesn’t deserve the same respect everyone at least initially gives to you. If you truly act this way day to day with people in real life it must truly be a lonely life for you.[/quote]
You can’t even tell “attitude” from what I posted. If you are reading all of this into what is written, maybe you should stop reading into it and just take it for what is written.
1st year - 20-25 lbs (2lb a month)
2nd year - 10-12 lbs (1lb per month)
3rd year - 5-6 lbs (0.5lb per month)
4th year - 2-3 lbs (not worth calculating)
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It’s GENERALLY how it goes though - you know, for like 99% of people lifting.
1st year - 20-25 lbs (2lb a month)
2nd year - 10-12 lbs (1lb per month)
3rd year - 5-6 lbs (0.5lb per month)
4th year - 2-3 lbs (not worth calculating)
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It’s GENERALLY how it goes though - you know, for like 99% of people lifting. [/quote]
1st year - 20-25 lbs (2lb a month)
2nd year - 10-12 lbs (1lb per month)
3rd year - 5-6 lbs (0.5lb per month)
4th year - 2-3 lbs (not worth calculating)
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It’s GENERALLY how it goes though - you know, for like 99% of people lifting. [/quote]
Stat King.
99%? How about seeing what your own body does?[/quote]
Actually, increasing or decresing ones calories by 10 to 15% for gaining and cutting and seeing what happens isn’t that complicated.
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It surely isn’t. It also doesn’t mean that anyone not doing that is doing it wrong.[/quote]
What’s a good strategy out there besides this one?[/quote]
For a newb? Someone literally trying to find out where they stand with calories may want to simply focus on overall calorie increases of about 500cals or more.
Why is it you make this so specific as if there is only one way to do this?
Actually, increasing or decresing ones calories by 10 to 15% for gaining and cutting and seeing what happens isn’t that complicated.
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It surely isn’t. It also doesn’t mean that anyone not doing that is doing it wrong.[/quote]
What’s a good strategy out there besides this one?[/quote]
For a newb? Someone literally trying to find out where they stand with calories may want to simply focus on overall calorie increases of about 500cals or more.
Why is it you make this so specific as if there is only one way to do this?[/quote]
There isn’t one way to do this, not for leaning out either, or getting stronger, or whatever. I don’t know where I implied this.
Actually, increasing or decresing ones calories by 10 to 15% for gaining and cutting and seeing what happens isn’t that complicated.
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It surely isn’t. It also doesn’t mean that anyone not doing that is doing it wrong.[/quote]
What’s a good strategy out there besides this one?[/quote]
For a newb? Someone literally trying to find out where they stand with calories may want to simply focus on overall calorie increases of about 500cals or more.
Why is it you make this so specific as if there is only one way to do this?[/quote]
There isn’t one way to do this, not for leaning out either, or getting stronger, or whatever. I don’t know where I implied this.
You finally parted with specific advice.
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Then what are you fussing about?
You are acting like the person writing this doesn’t have really big muscles…which is what this is about.
No one…and I mean NO ONE is saying you need to become obese.
Actually, increasing or decresing ones calories by 10 to 15% for gaining and cutting and seeing what happens isn’t that complicated.
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It surely isn’t. It also doesn’t mean that anyone not doing that is doing it wrong.[/quote]
What’s a good strategy out there besides this one?[/quote]
For a newb? Someone literally trying to find out where they stand with calories may want to simply focus on overall calorie increases of about 500cals or more.
Why is it you make this so specific as if there is only one way to do this?[/quote]
There isn’t one way to do this, not for leaning out either, or getting stronger, or whatever. I don’t know where I implied this.
You finally parted with specific advice.
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Then what are you fussing about?
You are acting like the person writing this doesn’t have really big muscles…which is what this is about.
No one…and I mean NO ONE is saying you need to become obese.[/quote]
I don’t adjust my talk about a TOPIC (not a person) because the person I’m speaking with has large muscles.