Bulking How Its Done

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

Actually, increasing or decresing ones calories by 10 to 15% for gaining and cutting and seeing what happens isn’t that complicated.
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It surely isn’t. It also doesn’t mean that anyone not doing that is doing it wrong.[/quote]

What’s a good strategy out there besides this one?[/quote]

For a newb? Someone literally trying to find out where they stand with calories may want to simply focus on overall calorie increases of about 500cals or more.

Why is it you make this so specific as if there is only one way to do this?[/quote]

There isn’t one way to do this, not for leaning out either, or getting stronger, or whatever. I don’t know where I implied this.

You finally parted with specific advice.
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Then what are you fussing about?

You are acting like the person writing this doesn’t have really big muscles…which is what this is about.

No one…and I mean NO ONE is saying you need to become obese.[/quote]

Oh, forgot this. I didn’t know what I was doing was fussing. Sorry about that. It’s just that using examples of Marc Bartley and Dave Tate in obese, or in one case, perhaps morbidly obese, and saying “it works”, IMPLIES that gaining 50+ pounds of fat can be used as an advantage compared to the other way. At least to me it does. But as usual, you have a problem with my reasoning and my outlook, which I’ve already accepted.

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[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Another thing, I have not seen anyone advocate or specifically tell lifters to get obese.
I think the problem is for a lot of lifters that just happens when they go ok these all out bulks and therefor getting very fat is equated with the classic bulking approach.

Although becoming very fat in the process is not specifically endorsed, the most prominent examples of the “permabulker” crowd on this site did that.

How many “failed bulk, need help” threads have we seen over the years?

The ONLY examples of successful prolonged bulks, where the lifter was quite overweight, and subsequently got very lean and was huge was the MegaNoob(leman) thread and Synergys before and afters. (Although the latter was a former NFL D Lineman and needed the extra weight for that)

Besides those two examples I cannot think of another example although there might be more?

Those two lifters didn’t exactly experience results that I would say are typical, especially for natural trainees.

I know no one has specifically said “bulk up bro, get obese in the process it’s ok”

But since that is what a lot have done, many see bulk=get very fat while adding muscle

End confusing ramblings lol ;)[/quote]
What’re your thoughts Brick?
It seems in line with your thinking and reasonable approach to reading?
I’m not sure if you saw this post?
I spread it out to alleviate confusion

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Bruce Randall in 1954.

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Another of bruce Randall while bulking.Bodyweight about 400 lb.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

Oh, forgot this. I didn’t know what I was doing was fussing. Sorry about that. It’s just that using examples of Marc Bartley and Dave Tate in obese, or in one case, perhaps morbidly obese, and saying “it works”, IMPLIES that gaining 50+ pounds of fat can be used as an advantage compared to the other way. At least to me it does. But as usual, you have a problem with my reasoning and my outlook, which I’ve already accepted. [/quote]

But, do you deny that there is ANY benefit at all to that type of gain in someone working on strength and size as a priority?

It seems that the discussion about leverage and other benefits (like even decreased injury with more support around joints) is tossed as you see fit.

No one is saying obesity should be a goal…but to act as if working on increasing overall muscular body weight alone for a while has no place at all is being biased.

No, I haven’t seen anyone mention a 50lbs fat gain.

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Bruce Randall,another photo,not afraid to eat big to get big

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Bruce Randall after the cut in 1959.

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[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
How do you guys go about a bulk.

I want to demolish the notice that people around here are limiting their gains by dieting as soon as their abs begin to blur from the 1% body fat increase but I also want to show that guys around here don’t permabulk either and just add pounds to the scale as it justified muscle gains or never reach their leanness goals.

I know BlueCollarTr8n recommends something to the effect increase ones body weight 10% over there lean weight for about a 12-18 months and just focus on improving one lifts.

Would your advice be different for an underweight kid vs a normal weight or the same to teach certain skills i.e. track macros etc…[/quote]

So…

Are we done answering the intial question? How does everyone, themselves, go about putting size on? Every thread is a fight now… holy shit.

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When there is a will,there is a way!

And by the way,Bruce Randall lived to be 80.

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[quote]elusive wrote:

[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
How do you guys go about a bulk.

I want to demolish the notice that people around here are limiting their gains by dieting as soon as their abs begin to blur from the 1% body fat increase but I also want to show that guys around here don’t permabulk either and just add pounds to the scale as it justified muscle gains or never reach their leanness goals.

I know BlueCollarTr8n recommends something to the effect increase ones body weight 10% over there lean weight for about a 12-18 months and just focus on improving one lifts.

Would your advice be different for an underweight kid vs a normal weight or the same to teach certain skills i.e. track macros etc…[/quote]

So…

Are we done answering the intial question? How does everyone, themselves, go about putting size on? Every thread is a fight now… holy shit.[/quote]
Yes, we are done with that.
Actual discussion and idea sharing isn’t allowed anymore.
You missed this while you were away.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

But, do you deny that there is ANY benefit at all to that type of gain in someone working on strength and size as a priority? [/quote]

NO, I don’t deny that. For some strength and size gains will be the only aims most of the time or for as long as they lift, as in the case of some powerlifters. I just deny that over bulking and permabulking offers any advantage for the physique minded person, even if they want to be a BIG physique minded person.

Not really, considering the only way for most naturals to make significant gains in strength and size IS to bulk, which comes along with some added fat gain, just not to the extent you and others imply to have some benefit over a more calculated approach for a physique minded person in the long run or even in the current time.

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No one is saying obesity should be a goal… [/quote]

It’s been implied over and over and over again.

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but to act as if working on increasing overall muscular body weight alone for a while has no place at all is being biased. [/quote]

Did someone actually write that this shouldn’t be done?

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No, I haven’t seen anyone mention a 50lbs fat gain.[/quote]

It’s been implied over and over and over again.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

NO, I don’t deny that. For some strength and size gains will be the only aims most of the time or for as long as they lift, as in the case of some powerlifters. I just deny that over bulking and permabulking offers any advantage for the physique minded person, even if they want to be a BIG physique minded person. [/quote]

How would YOU know what is “overbulking” for me?

Also, no offense, but using this term “permabulker” is an insult…seeing as I now I have dieted many times and am not fat.

The advantage of working on size alone especially during prime growth years (like between the ages of 18-35) is taking advantage of the bodies best growth years and seeing the most overall progress.

It is very hard to deny this as opposed to someone constantly dieting to maintain a specific percentage.

Uhm, to what degree have I implied?

I keep asking you this with no response.

WHY DO YOU THINK I AM TELLING PEOPLE TO REACH A CERTAIN FAT LEVEL??

Uhm, no …it hasn’t. you just keep saying it has.

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Did someone actually write that this shouldn’t be done?[/quote]

It’s what you implied

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It’s been implied over and over and over again. [/quote]

a 50lbs fat gain has been implied?

By whom and when???

Please answer this.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

NO, I don’t deny that. For some strength and size gains will be the only aims most of the time or for as long as they lift, as in the case of some powerlifters. I just deny that over bulking and permabulking offers any advantage for the physique minded person, even if they want to be a BIG physique minded person. [/quote]

How would YOU know what is “overbulking” for me?

Also, no offense, but using this term “permabulker” is an insult…seeing as I now I have dieted many times and am not fat.

The advantage of working on size alone especially during prime growth years (like between the ages of 18-35) is taking advantage of the bodies best growth years and seeing the most overall progress.

It is very hard to deny this as opposed to someone constantly dieting to maintain a specific percentage.

Uhm, to what degree have I implied?

I keep asking you this with no response.

WHY DO YOU THINK I AM TELLING PEOPLE TO REACH A CERTAIN FAT LEVEL??

Uhm, no …it hasn’t. you just keep saying it has.

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Did someone actually write that this shouldn’t be done?[/quote]

It’s what you implied

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It’s been implied over and over and over again. [/quote]

a 50lbs fat gain has been implied?

By whom and when???

Please answer this.[/quote]

You yourself have held 50 extra pounds of fat and have over and over and over again said your way is a good one, which actually, if you like your way, might be the best way for you if it helps you comply to this lifestyle.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

You yourself have held 50 extra pounds of fat and have over and over and over again said your way is a good one, which actually, if you like your way, might be the best way for you if it helps you comply to this lifestyle. [/quote]

Wow. yes, I have carried more body fat. No, that does not mean I have ever told someone else to get as heavy as I did.

Also, yes, my way allowed me to get more muscular than most people…so what is the issue again?

That I am happy carrying more fat than you?

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Also, Brick, I asked you many questions above that you ignored.

Please respond to those questions if you have time.

Especially

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Haha, I love the Bruce Randall example. Yeah, it was worth it to get up to 400 pounds, and then having to diet down to to the 220’s to compete!

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Haha, I love the Bruce Randall example. Yeah, it was worth it to get up to 400 pounds, and then having to diet down to to the 220’s to compete![/quote]
Good thing he bulked up the perfect amount FOR HIM.
I don’t see many here willing to bulk up to 400 pounds.
He focused on taking advantage of the prime years and look where it got him?
More muscular than many others I see posting here.
His way worked.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Haha, I love the Bruce Randall example. Yeah, it was worth it to get up to 400 pounds, and then having to diet down to to the 220’s to compete![/quote]

Well, actually, what he found is that he gained to that sizer faster than anyone else had at the time…which is the goal.

You seem to focus heavily on the “oh my gawd he got fat” issue and not the “damn look how much overall muscle was built in a given time frame” issue.

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[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]elusive wrote:

[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
How do you guys go about a bulk.

I want to demolish the notice that people around here are limiting their gains by dieting as soon as their abs begin to blur from the 1% body fat increase but I also want to show that guys around here don’t permabulk either and just add pounds to the scale as it justified muscle gains or never reach their leanness goals.

I know BlueCollarTr8n recommends something to the effect increase ones body weight 10% over there lean weight for about a 12-18 months and just focus on improving one lifts.

Would your advice be different for an underweight kid vs a normal weight or the same to teach certain skills i.e. track macros etc…[/quote]

So…

Are we done answering the intial question? How does everyone, themselves, go about putting size on? Every thread is a fight now… holy shit.[/quote]
Yes, we are done with that.
Actual discussion and idea sharing isn’t allowed anymore.
You missed this while you were away.[/quote]

Oh, ok. I apologize then. Carry on with the childish “he started it first” arguments.