Just remember OP, there is a big difference in a clean bulk and a dirty bulk.
Trust me I’ve done both. You want it to be as clean as possible.
Started at 160 and went to a dirty 200.
Took some time off and started again.
Now sitting at a solid “clean” 225-230 at 6’ 0" and 23 yrs old.
I’m sorry I don’t work out…just got caught up in the moment…I feel bad now 
I TRAIN
Got a problem with it? Yeah, well I really don’t care hahahaha.
Jus trying to help someone else out here. This thread isn’t about me…
Totally agree with Mike T.
OP, trust me on this, you dirty bulked - and judging from the 1st post on the thread it hasn’t really worked out so well thus far.
Cut the carbs to complex (except PWO when simple carbs are great!) and try to limit them after 7pm (unless you train in the PM, I train in the AM).
A relatively “clean” bulk (don’t have to be a health Nazi, you can still have the odd pizza and burger thrown in) will make a hell of a lot more sense than a dirty one stuffing yourself with BS like junk food and mashed potatoes every meal - unless you have the metabolism for it.
You said you hate being known as the “skinny” guy, well, yeah that sucks, the only thing that sucks harder is being known as the fat dude.
Awesome posts thanks for all the information! and I will cut out the oats/banana before bed and I will just have whey/milk/olive oil…
Mike T, I have started reading the nutrition articles in your hub.
taken directly from first article:
"I Only Want Muscle Gain!
If your primary goal is to gain muscle, then you want high levels of insulin throughout the day.
You especially want high-insulin levels after training to take advantage of the fact that at that time, the muscle cell membrane is extra permeable to insulin and whatever it is carrying (i.e. glucose, BCAA)."
-Someone earlier in this thread mentioned that my insulin must be high all day. Well, isnt that a good thing?
[quote]Mike T. wrote:
@Dolce:
I’m sorry I don’t work out…just got caught up in the moment…I feel bad now
I TRAIN
Got a problem with it? Yeah, well I really don’t care hahahaha.
Jus trying to help someone else out here. This thread isn’t about me…[/quote]
But you’re not helping. You ever hear of Lean Gains - IF style of eating? You still believe the bro-science bullshit of “stoking your metabolism” by eating every 3 hours?
I’d suggest researching a bit and getting current before you dole out poor advice. The fact that you find something wrong with Facko’s big meal suggests you are stuck in a rut with your thinking - do a search for IF and read all about it - many guys here with the better physiques on this board are eating that way.
I’m not saying it’s the only way to go, but stop passing off out-dated mis-information as fact.
[quote]Mike T. wrote:
You eat your 600 g’s of white potatoes mashed and go to sleep. Do that every night for a year and see where it gets you…
Sleep is not a physical activity dude.
I don’t care if you are trying to gain weight. The body does what its designed to do…[/quote] Stop posting.
Seriously.
Stop posting.
BTW these articles are making me realize how dumb carbs have been before bed wow. I may even cut out the milk part and just have whey/olive oil.
As far as BCAAs, my whey protein says it has 5270 mg of BCAAs, is this a good amount? I have been reading about taking BCAAs before working out and/or cardio to decrease muscle burning…
[quote]eyegainweightbig wrote:
BTW these articles are making me realize how dumb carbs have been before bed wow. I may even cut out the milk part and just have whey/olive oil.
As far as BCAAs, my whey protein says it has 5270 mg of BCAAs, is this a good amount? I have been reading about taking BCAAs before working out and/or cardio to decrease muscle burning…[/quote]
Don’t have to worry too much about BCAAs unless you are training intensively fasted.
I think you are overthinking this. The best advice is to do what your body tells you - stick to your (new) meal plan - get a tape measure, weigh and measure yourself every 2-3 days, keep a training log.
Your numbers should advise how you eat. Track every 2 weeks.
Lifts going up, measurements going up = maintain.
Lifts and measurements not moving = eat more cals.
Lifts not moving up or too slowly, gaining at the waist = cut out some carbs, replace the lost calories with extra protein.
And so on.
[quote]Mike T. wrote:
[quote]facko wrote:
[quote]Mike T. wrote:
My sprint sessions last around 20 minutes, including warm up. Short burst are way different than long distance jogs/runs. I guess you can try to walk up hills and stuff?
Its not hard to eat 3000-3500-4000 calories a day from healthy food.
Do not eat oats beofre bed, and id leave the fruit for breakfast or lunch as well.
Click my hub/profile and go to my favorite articles, there are a few nutrition articles at the top you should read.
Also eating ever hour to every 2 hours all day will help you get those calories in.
Balance a big portion of your carbs around your workouts.
Also one mistake I made starting out was not drinking enough water.
Drink ATLeast a Gallon a day. I didn’t think it was possible at first but I’m drinking a little over a gallon a day.
Peeing a lot, but its worth it. I’m pissing clear hahaha.
Plus with all that water passing thru you, your nutrient uptake will be larger/greater and quicker.[/quote]
No carbs around bed…broscience. Sorry. I eat >250g of carbs AFTER 7pm.[/quote]
I said around bed…what grade are you in, lol. 7 p.m?
I don’t even train before 7 p.m
You eat your 600 g’s of white potatoes mashed and go to sleep. Do that every night for a year and see where it gets you…
Sleep is not a physical activity dude.
I don’t care if you are trying to gain weight. The body does what its designed to do…
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I do it every night man. I think you need to hit the research and learn about carb backloading, intermittent fasting, leangains approach, how carbs create fat gain…how fat gain even happens etc etc etc.
[quote]NotaQuitta wrote:
I think you are overthinking this. The best advice is to do what your body tells you - stick to your (new) meal plan - get a tape measure, weigh and measure yourself every 2-3 days, keep a training log.
[/quote]
I think you’ll go fucking crazy if you do this.
I can’t explain why exactly but the slowest gains I’ve ever made were when I would weigh myself daily or close to daily. If I was expecting the weight to be higher, and it turned out lower, even if I knew it was probably water or something, it would be stuck in my head and I’d feel like I failed all day and be unconfident in my workouts. I would never weigh myself more than once a week now… preferably less if I can help it
Tape measure would be even more maddening I imagine.
[quote]thogue wrote:
[quote]NotaQuitta wrote:
I think you are overthinking this. The best advice is to do what your body tells you - stick to your (new) meal plan - get a tape measure, weigh and measure yourself every 2-3 days, keep a training log.
[/quote]
I think you’ll go fucking crazy if you do this.
I can’t explain why exactly but the slowest gains I’ve ever made were when I would weigh myself daily or close to daily. If I was expecting the weight to be higher, and it turned out lower, even if I knew it was probably water or something, it would be stuck in my head and I’d feel like I failed all day and be unconfident in my workouts. I would never weigh myself more than once a week now… preferably less if I can help it
Tape measure would be even more maddening I imagine.
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That’s you. I weigh myself daily when gaining…because if your goal is large amounts of muscle, that scale had better be moving in the right direction.
The only time I stop weighing myself is when dieting and usually only after I am sure my diet is doing the job it should. I haven’t weighed myself since I got back from CO
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
[quote]Mike T. wrote:
@Dolce:
I’m sorry I don’t work out…just got caught up in the moment…I feel bad now
I TRAIN
Got a problem with it? Yeah, well I really don’t care hahahaha.
Jus trying to help someone else out here. This thread isn’t about me…[/quote]
But you’re not helping. You ever hear of Lean Gains - IF style of eating? You still believe the bro-science bullshit of “stoking your metabolism” by eating every 3 hours?
I’d suggest researching a bit and getting current before you dole out poor advice. The fact that you find something wrong with Facko’s big meal suggests you are stuck in a rut with your thinking - do a search for IF and read all about it - many guys here with the better physiques on this board are eating that way.
I’m not saying it’s the only way to go, but stop passing off out-dated mis-information as fact. [/quote]
Hahahahahahaha
Really?
Your telling me one should not eat every 2 - 3 hours?
How many meals do you eat a day and @ how many calories?
Judging from your avi, you look like your carry a high body fat% on a daly basis…
Your right, there are a ton of people on the forums who eat a lot of carbs and look great.
Some don’t and look just as good. Your are niether… you may put up some decent weight, but judging by ur size I hope u would…as far as nutrition and manipulationg the body goes, leave that to the people who have had some experience.
You should really keep an open mind…
This technique has really worked for me and I’ve gained strength and mass eating “clean” and not eating 700 grams of carbs a day.
To each his own guy.
I never claimed to be an expert. I’m just giving personal experience and references to articles on this site…
[quote]Mike T. wrote:
You should really keep an open mind…
This technique has really worked for me and I’ve gained strength and mass eating “clean” and not eating 700 grams of carbs a day.
To each his own guy.
I never claimed to be an expert. I’m just giving personal experience and references to articles on this site…
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As I said, it’s not the only way to eat, but you’re speaking in absolutes, which is wrong.
You have no idea what I’m talking about because you’ve never looked into anything besides broscience bullshit. And I looked at your pics BTW - you aren’t very lean, and you don’t have much muscle either - so you can watch the personal shots at me, because you aren’t exactly shocking the world with your physique - I didn’t say shit about your appearance until you decided to take a shot at mine. I wasn’t rude to you in my initial post, just explained that you should realize that eating every 2 hours is not the only way and maybe look into a few other things.
And of course, I’ve always been this weight - I was never leaner, nor will I be again…lol at that nonsense.
BTW, I weigh 283 in that avi at 5’ 9.5"
The posted pic is me at 235…I’m pretty sure I know how to gain AND lose weight…lol…
Good luck in your future bodybuilding endeavors - all I’m saying is that YOU should be the one to keep an open mind about different approaches. Oh, and BTW, I don’t eat that way - I do eat about every 4 hours or so, but mostly because it’s convenient for me.
So some of you guys actually eat carbs before bed? I mean sleep is not intensive, and does not require them, I have read at least a few articles in the past few days that point to carbs before bed=stored as fat.
I am going to look at that IF diet or whatever that was…I don’t see why anyone would not want to eat every two to THREE HOURS AT THE MOST especially when gaining…Don’t you need a steady supply of nutrients (like protein) all day long?
I am surprised at how some of you guys have pointed out that I eat carbs from the hamburger helper and mac n cheese, yet some of you still eat (a crapload) of carbs before bed!
@skynet: if you would look at the date the last pictures I posted were in 2006 after my dirty bulk… Almost 6 YEARS AGO…
Hahahahaha
@eyegainbigweight: Take the some of the replys you get from these people with a grain of salt.
There are a few people to def. Listen 2 like prof. X which has gave u a few comments. Might stu is another good one.
This site is awesome, stick with the articles for the majority of your answers. You can’t go wrong listening to them the writers.
Keep an open mind and continue to read and expand your mind.
Edit: I mean really, who is going to argue with Chris Shugart and John Berardi about nutrition?
Check about Christian Thibaudeau, he has some slick reads about training.
[quote]Mike T. wrote:
@skynet: if you would look at the date the last pictures I posted were in 2006 after my dirty bulk… Almost 6 YEARS AGO…
Hahahahaha
@eyegainbigweight: Take the some of the replys you get from these people with a grain of salt.
There are a few people to def. Listen 2 like prof. X which has gave u a few comments. Might stu is another good one.
This site is awesome, stick with the articles for the majority of your answers. You can’t go wrong listening to them the writers.
Keep an open mind and continue to read and expand your mind.
Edit: I mean really, who is going to argue with Chris Shugart and John Berardi about nutrition?
Check about Christian Thibaudeau, he has some slick reads about training.[/quote]
Do I look fat to you? I eat 2 big meals a day after fasting 16 hours every day. All of my carbs come AFTER 7pm. Stop talking shit.
[quote]facko wrote:
[quote]Mike T. wrote:
@skynet: if you would look at the date the last pictures I posted were in 2006 after my dirty bulk… Almost 6 YEARS AGO…
Hahahahaha
@eyegainbigweight: Take the some of the replys you get from these people with a grain of salt.
There are a few people to def. Listen 2 like prof. X which has gave u a few comments. Might stu is another good one.
This site is awesome, stick with the articles for the majority of your answers. You can’t go wrong listening to them the writers.
Keep an open mind and continue to read and expand your mind.
Edit: I mean really, who is going to argue with Chris Shugart and John Berardi about nutrition?
Check about Christian Thibaudeau, he has some slick reads about training.[/quote]
Do I look fat to you? I eat 2 big meals a day after fasting 16 hours every day. All of my carbs come AFTER 7pm. Stop talking shit.[/quote]
Facko, why do you eat like that?
@facko: So tell everyone to fast then? Haha
I was just giving an opinion, don’t get mad.
Everyone disagrees, the op even said he doesn’t like eating every 2 or 3 hourse like I said.
Just because I make a valid point you disagrre with does not mean its set in stone. Nor does it mean you have to do it.
These forums are good because you get such a varied response.
You should not get mad and call it broscience, you should say I’m not a fan of that style because of (isert rational explanation)
I disagrred with ur style of eating, and I apologize if I offended you.
@skynett: what was the point in posting a picture of yourself? Shirt tucked in your skinny jeans and smiling.
That has nothing to do with this disscussion.
Now if you posted a picture of you deadlifting 405+ or squatting 405+ that is a different story…
Maybe even you with a bodyfat caliper hanging off a roll hahaha.
What’s life without a sense of humor and an opinion guys. Be easy…
hahahaha wow funny ass post.
I would like alot of people to chime in on this question, please!!:
How do you guys count your cals? Do you get together all your meals and count the cals the night before, or count them as you eat them throughout the day?
What are the methods you guys use?
Share your techniques!
FWIW - From the pic, I don’t think “Hamburger Helper” is OP’s problem-- I think it’s intensity in the gym. Hamburger and pasta all day everyday is still protein and calories (maybe more cals). I think someone needs an ass kicking in the gym department.
re: Ezekiel Bread - It is, in fact, made from wheat and other stuff. There’s no ‘flour’. It’s made from grain and legume SPROUTS, but it does come in part from wheat/spelt (lentils and other stuff I can’t remember) – at least the original formulas, like sprouted grain and seven grain (they’ve branched out into other stuff).
I don’t think there’s anything better to mop up runny yokes from 8 eggs over-easy with.