[quote]Elite0423 wrote:
steroids and protein shakes for the win. i love T-Nation. [/quote]
what?
[quote]actionboy wrote:
[quote]Elite0423 wrote:
steroids and protein shakes for the win. i love T-Nation. [/quote]
what? [/quote]
Steroids expand your anabolic window by 21 hours.
McDonalds is full of people that I never want to look like.
[quote]Marther wrote:
McDonalds is full of people that I never want to look like. [/quote]
So is Walmart, every mall in the country, every grocery store, every GYM, every school in the country, doctor’s offices, hospitals, that shoe store on 5th, all of Congress, the entire state of Virginia…
Us athletes only shop at target.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Marther wrote:
McDonalds is full of people that I never want to look like. [/quote]
So is Walmart, every mall in the country, every grocery store, every GYM, every school in the country, doctor’s offices, hospitals, that shoe store on 5th, all of Congress, the entire state of Virginia…[/quote]
That’s true. I’ve seen only 1 or 2 physically impressive people in my 10 years of living in Oxford.
[quote]Sarev0k wrote:
Us athletes only shop at target.[/quote]
Yes, the list has now expanded to include Target.
Pronounced Tar-Jay, by those with influence.
Most people I see at McDonald’s are young and somewhat fit looking. I figure the chunky folks take the drive thru. And it’s the kids and teens who like to go in to eat and they haven’t gotten fat yet. But I’m in a town that doesn’t have a lot of obesity, outside of tourist season.
[quote]debraD wrote:
Most people I see at McDonald’s are young and somewhat fit looking. I figure the chunky folks take the drive thru. And it’s the kids and teens who like to go in to eat and they haven’t gotten fat yet. But I’m in a town that doesn’t have a lot of obesity, outside of tourist season.[/quote]
One weird thing I notice is a lot of older and fat people like to go through drive thru then park in the parking lot and eat in their cars. Seems strange.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]debraD wrote:
Most people I see at McDonald’s are young and somewhat fit looking. I figure the chunky folks take the drive thru. And it’s the kids and teens who like to go in to eat and they haven’t gotten fat yet. But I’m in a town that doesn’t have a lot of obesity, outside of tourist season.[/quote]
One weird thing I notice is a lot of older and fat people like to go through drive thru then park in the parking lot and eat in their cars. Seems strange. [/quote]
Better music, more comfortable seating, climate controlled to your taste, no random assholes making noise… if it’s just you and one other person, why not chill in the car?
It sucks trying to slather your fries with ketchup while driving without making a mess, so you might as well park for the 5 or so minutes it takes to eat a burger and fries. Besides, these older/fat people you mention might have mobility issues that make them less inclined to be hopping in and out of their cars if they can help it.
Teenagers sit inside because they travel in hordes and like to hang out places to be seen.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]debraD wrote:
Most people I see at McDonald’s are young and somewhat fit looking. I figure the chunky folks take the drive thru. And it’s the kids and teens who like to go in to eat and they haven’t gotten fat yet. But I’m in a town that doesn’t have a lot of obesity, outside of tourist season.[/quote]
One weird thing I notice is a lot of older and fat people like to go through drive thru then park in the parking lot and eat in their cars. Seems strange. [/quote]
Fast food usually isn’t sitting in the parking lot and enjoying your meal. If I ever hit these places up, unless I am drunk or high, I don’t feel like chilling in the parking lot. lol
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]debraD wrote:
Most people I see at McDonald’s are young and somewhat fit looking. I figure the chunky folks take the drive thru. And it’s the kids and teens who like to go in to eat and they haven’t gotten fat yet. But I’m in a town that doesn’t have a lot of obesity, outside of tourist season.[/quote]
One weird thing I notice is a lot of older and fat people like to go through drive thru then park in the parking lot and eat in their cars. Seems strange. [/quote]
Lazy/embarrassed… Mostly lazy though
Milk + D-bol.
The whole “clean versus dirty” debate for weight loss AND gaining is a moot one considering weight loss can occur on a “dirty” diet and weight gain can occur on a “clean” diet.
Examples: If my maintenance amount is 3,000 kcal and I consume a 2,000 kcal diet consisting of nothing but McDonald’s and Chinese food, I’ll most likely lose weight. If I consume 4,000 calories of nothing but lean meats, potatoes, veggies, fruits, and healthy oils, I’ll most likely gain weight.
I don’t know where people got the belief that fat is bad or dirty. Actually a ketogenic diet–usually used for weight loss–consists of up to 70% fat.
Yes, excessive carb intake–especially in sedentary individuals–has been shown to be associated with dyslipidemia. Saturated fats do offer some health benefits but excessive intake has been shown to be associated with heart disease and dyslipidemia. But this stuff mostly applies to sedentary individuals.
I believe saturated fats should make up about 1/3 of fat intake (for those who actually count or estimate).
There have been champs like Dorian Yates and Mike Francois who ate very low fat diets (10 to 15%) in the off- and in-seasons and did just fine. Most endurance athletes eat pretty low fat too.
As I’ve written before, I’ve only seen a few non-competitive guys (and most on here don’t and never will compete) who’ve pulled off “big bulking” successfully. If you don’t fuck things up on the way down, fine, go ahead and do it up. But I’ve seen too many guys not hold onto the muscle coming down, either because they don’t know how to control their nutrition (logging and calculating as time goes on) or they’re the type that loses too much muscle for fat lost. Other guys acquite what seem to be ETERNAL problem areas and lose their skin tautness in some areas. Some of those problem areas then require so much dieting and exercise that it’s not even worth it unless there’s an aspiration to compete (which is close to no one).
Some of you majored in Taking Things out of Context.
Yes, calorie-wise, you could argue that eating clean vs. dirty shouldn’t matter for physique goals, but can you argue that they’re the same with respect to long-term health effects?
Come on.
[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
… but can you argue that they’re the same with respect to long-term health effects?
Come on.[/quote]
I can’t.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
The whole “clean versus dirty” debate for weight loss AND gaining is a moot one considering weight loss can occur on a “dirty” diet and weight gain can occur on a “clean” diet.
Examples: If my maintenance amount is 3,000 kcal and I consume a 2,000 kcal diet consisting of nothing but McDonald’s and Chinese food, I’ll most likely lose weight. If I consume 4,000 calories of nothing but lean meats, potatoes, veggies, fruits, and healthy oils, I’ll most likely gain weight.
I don’t know where people got the belief that fat is bad or dirty. Actually a ketogenic diet–usually used for weight loss–consists of up to 70% fat.
Yes, excessive carb intake–especially in sedentary individuals–has been shown to be associated with dyslipidemia. Saturated fats do offer some health benefits but excessive intake has been shown to be associated with heart disease and dyslipidemia. But this stuff mostly applies to sedentary individuals.
I believe saturated fats should make up about 1/3 of fat intake (for those who actually count or estimate).
There have been champs like Dorian Yates and Mike Francois who ate very low fat diets (10 to 15%) in the off- and in-seasons and did just fine. Most endurance athletes eat pretty low fat too.
As I’ve written before, I’ve only seen a few non-competitive guys (and most on here don’t and never will compete) who’ve pulled off “big bulking” successfully. If you don’t fuck things up on the way down, fine, go ahead and do it up. But I’ve seen too many guys not hold onto the muscle coming down, either because they don’t know how to control their nutrition (logging and calculating as time goes on) or they’re the type that loses too much muscle for fat lost. Other guys acquite what seem to be ETERNAL problem areas and lose their skin tautness in some areas. Some of those problem areas then require so much dieting and exercise that it’s not even worth it unless there’s an aspiration to compete (which is close to no one).
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A 2000 calorie/day diet of McDonald’s and Chinese food is like 2 meals a day. Dunno about you but I’d die if I had 2 cheeseburgers then had to wait 8hrs to eat again.
Nobody said fat is bad. I have a good supply of fat in my daily intake. Not all calories are created equal, I guarentee a “clean” bulk will provide more muscle mass and less fat gain than “dirty” bulking even if the same amount of calories are consumed in each persons diet.
[quote]jotenko wrote:
Hello all
First of all, Im a portuguese bodybuilder, im about 178cm, at 73kg, 16%BF. I was 60 kg when I started ± 1 year ago, though I go to the gym about 3 years.
I guess this is a though road for learning.
I come to this forum once in a while, and I notice that your mindset is much wider concerning food. I mean, normally, everywhere you see something like “dont eat garbage!” “only eat clean foods” “stay away from beer, not even one a year!!” “dont eat fast food” etc etc
When I come here, I see people talking about alcohol, and eating at macdonalds, and it seems to be fine to everyone.
For my experience, during the time I ate dirty, I had the most impressive results, but also my BF really increased. Once I cleaned up my diet, and I mean REALLY CLEANING IT UP, I had gains but slower gains.
What’s your opinion here about this??? And why do I find people in this forum which think it is OK to have some alcohol and “bad” foods??
Thanks[/quote]
At 16 % bf,you should start a fat-cutting phase ,until you get to about 10%.
[quote]Sveti Ante wrote:
[quote]jotenko wrote:
Hello all
First of all, Im a portuguese bodybuilder, im about 178cm, at 73kg, 16%BF. I was 60 kg when I started ± 1 year ago, though I go to the gym about 3 years.
I guess this is a though road for learning.
I come to this forum once in a while, and I notice that your mindset is much wider concerning food. I mean, normally, everywhere you see something like “dont eat garbage!” “only eat clean foods” “stay away from beer, not even one a year!!” “dont eat fast food” etc etc
When I come here, I see people talking about alcohol, and eating at macdonalds, and it seems to be fine to everyone.
For my experience, during the time I ate dirty, I had the most impressive results, but also my BF really increased. Once I cleaned up my diet, and I mean REALLY CLEANING IT UP, I had gains but slower gains.
What’s your opinion here about this??? And why do I find people in this forum which think it is OK to have some alcohol and “bad” foods??
Thanks[/quote]
At 16 % bf,you should start a fat-cutting phase ,until you get to about 10%.
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Waiting for Professor X and camp followers to see this one. 