Bulking by T-Nation Standards

Nutrition
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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
And I have nothing against people eating hamburgers lol, as long as that only constitutes a small % of their intake.

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Then you would still be wrong because the whole goal is to MAKE PROGRESS, so they should base their actions on their progress. The “percentage of intake” should be again based on their physical progress, not some preconceived limit based on nothing but an assumption.

If there is some guy out there gaining muscle and keeping fat in check while “eating wrong” then he isn’t eating “wrong” at all.[/quote]

Show me these people. I know one person who can eat nearly whatever he wants, stay single digit bf and still gain muscle. [/quote]

Wait, why would the goal be to stay at SINGLE DIGIT body fat readings when there are so few people who can make huge gains that way that most are genetic freaks and/or steroid users?

Other than that, Ced McMillan claims he ate that way. In his words, he said he was the real “cheeseburger Eddie”.

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You act like b/c I ate pizza and drank a half gallon of whole milk before bed every night for 4 months that it’s the reason I look the way you do.[/quote]

Uh, no, I think EVERY FUCKING THING YOU HAVE DONE FROM START TO FINISH is why you look that way and have said just that already.

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You also seem to think that because you ate whatever you could in college and got really heavy that it’s the reason you look like you do now, while completely disregarding the next 8-10 years of having several steaks every day.[/quote]

What? I couldn’t afford to eat the way I do now until I went to the military…and didn’t figure out how to eat past that for a couple of years further because the only food I really knew how to make was on a Foreman grill (which was mostly chicken and fish, neither of which had enough calories for me to grow without eating out). I didn’t start eating steaks or all around like I do now until about 3 years ago.

I was 150lbs in college. You don’t make a gain like that by gaining slowly or worrying about whether you stay in single digits for body fat.

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Please post a shirtless pic of you in college so we can see how jacked you were. I feel like your purposefully act naive sometimes because you are so desperate to be right.[/quote]

? I wasn’t taking pics shirtless in college for bodybuilding purposes and can’t go back in time. I have, however, posted pics of me my senior year in high school.

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The entire point of this conversation is that there is more than one way to gain weight. If I ever run into someone in very good condition with a good base of muscle who tells me they have their diet in check but still can’t gain weight, I’ll tell him to go hit up a buffet or a fast food joint a few times a week.

In real life, I get average joe’s asking me what they need to do in order to get bigger, look muscular, etc (keep in mind this is 95% of tnation members) and I will NEVER say go eat a hamburger, I’m just not going to do that because it doesn’t help anybody.

People look like crap because their diet sucks, end of story. Telling them to throw another hamburger into the mix…? Not gonna do it.

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
The entire point of this conversation is that there is more than one way to gain weight. If I ever run into someone in very good condition with a good base of muscle who tells me they have their diet in check but still can’t gain weight, I’ll tell him to go hit up a buffet or a fast food joint a few times a week.

In real life, I get average joe’s asking me what they need to do in order to get bigger, look muscular, etc (keep in mind this is 95% of tnation members) and I will NEVER say go eat a hamburger, I’m just not going to do that because it doesn’t help anybody.

People look like crap because their diet sucks, end of story. Telling them to throw another hamburger into the mix…? Not gonna do it.
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You seem slow…and I really mean that if this is what you just took from what was written.

I literally can not make this any more clear or basic to understand.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
The entire point of this conversation is that there is more than one way to gain weight. If I ever run into someone in very good condition with a good base of muscle who tells me they have their diet in check but still can’t gain weight, I’ll tell him to go hit up a buffet or a fast food joint a few times a week.

In real life, I get average joe’s asking me what they need to do in order to get bigger, look muscular, etc (keep in mind this is 95% of tnation members) and I will NEVER say go eat a hamburger, I’m just not going to do that because it doesn’t help anybody.

People look like crap because their diet sucks, end of story. Telling them to throw another hamburger into the mix…? Not gonna do it.
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You seem slow…and I really mean that if this is what you just took from what was written.

I literally can not make this any more clear or basic to understand.[/quote]

I know exactly what you are saying, I just don’t necessarily agree with it. I also know that the people interested in this don’t understand the distinction you are making when you discuss this stuff. It’s just the way it goes and why when I talk about it on the interwebs I will make an asbolute statement saying eat clean all the time because you give people an excuse to eat what they want and they won’t stop.

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
The entire point of this conversation is that there is more than one way to gain weight. If I ever run into someone in very good condition with a good base of muscle who tells me they have their diet in check but still can’t gain weight, I’ll tell him to go hit up a buffet or a fast food joint a few times a week.

In real life, I get average joe’s asking me what they need to do in order to get bigger, look muscular, etc (keep in mind this is 95% of tnation members) and I will NEVER say go eat a hamburger, I’m just not going to do that because it doesn’t help anybody.

People look like crap because their diet sucks, end of story. Telling them to throw another hamburger into the mix…? Not gonna do it.
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You seem slow…and I really mean that if this is what you just took from what was written.

I literally can not make this any more clear or basic to understand.[/quote]

I know exactly what you are saying, I just don’t necessarily agree with it. I also know that the people interested in this don’t understand the distinction you are making when you discuss this stuff. It’s just the way it goes and why when I talk about it on the interwebs I will make an asbolute statement saying eat clean all the time because you give people an excuse to eat what they want and they won’t stop.[/quote]

Think about what you are writing. Someone like that is incapable of being able to assess how they are doing in terms of progress or making changes as needed.

Someone like that is NOT cut out for this. Bodybuilding REQUIRES the ability to figure out what works for you. Without that, you either base all progress on what someone else tells you or you make none at all.

This activity is not for everyone. It never was, especially if they can’t figure that out.

Of the people you claim who lack self control, 0% will have the genetics to actually be one of the biggest guys in the gym or on a stage eventually unless they are surrounded by newbs.

In other words, the “teach a man to fish” parable is what creates the standout lifters…not the one about “let me hold your hand every step of the way and make up words so that you feel more comfortable about not thinking for yourself”.

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Yes, that’s exactly my point. The huge majority are delusional, which is why I’m pretty much done trying to explain things to people on here. Those who have the potential to make it will do so regardless of what advice we give, they just need a gentle push.

I really don’t have anything else to add, haha.

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I see exactly where your comin from Way

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[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
I see exactly where your comin from Way[/quote]

LOL

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Yes, that’s exactly my point. The huge majority are delusional, which is why I’m pretty much done trying to explain things to people on here. Those who have the potential to make it will do so regardless of what advice we give, they just need a gentle push.

I really don’t have anything else to add, haha.[/quote]

Yep. This is just about dead on.

It’s why people even have to question whether people are making progress or not. The majority of people posting questions dont really “get it” enough to make the intuitive changes necessary for continuous long term progress.

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question:

is a few spoonfuls of mint chocolate chip ice cream considered clean bulking or dirty bulking? One thing I do know… it was delicious

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Low fat ice cream is clean bulk

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Low fat ice cream is clean bulk[/quote]

good to know

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Low fat everything is clean bulk. Low fat ice cream, low fat chips, low fat dressings, low fat fried mayonnaise, low fat fat…

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Lol, I always figured a clean bulk meant getting 2 hamburgers instead of a hamburger and fries.

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Sounds good to me as long as you get it in withing 3 hours of your workout!

I think people could really reap the benefits of strategic eating if they had their “cheat meals” in that 3 hour window.

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[quote]Sarev0k wrote:
Sounds good to me as long as you get it in withing 3 hours of your workout!

I think people could really reap the benefits of strategic eating if they had their “cheat meals” in that 3 hour window.[/quote]

$1 menu here I come!

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Seriously man! you can get in so much for a couple bucks without adding too much to your waistline.

I had a pic of my arm in the 18 inch arms thread, and I only got up to 38 inches on my waistline at that point. That’s pretty good in my book. All because of eating strategically.

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[quote]Sarev0k wrote:
Seriously man! you can get in so much for a couple bucks without adding too much to your waistline.

I had a pic of my arm in the 18 inch arms thread, and I only got up to 38 inches on my waistline at that point. That’s pretty good in my book. All because of eating strategically.[/quote]

I dont have much time to prepare meals, so $1 menus are a easy way to get bulking food in.

In moderation. Used wisely. Getting a grilled chicken sandwich or a plain burger is a bit different than an apple pie, fries, and ice cream (cept for gregs lowfat ice cream of course)

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There was a point where I would order 5 dollar menu burgers and a few sides of nuggets. I’d be happy never eating fast food again shiiiiii.

As long as I can afford to eat good that’s all I’m doing.

Jason Huh said he spends roughly 2000 dollars on food a month!!! That’s crazy, but to be the best you need to eat like the best. My dude says he never missed a meal preparing for USA’s which he won, maybe I am just a simple guy, but chicken and rice and sweet potatoes and steak never gets old for me.

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[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
chicken and rice and sweet potatoes and steak never gets old for me.[/quote]

I could eat that every meal of every day… especially if I didnt have to cook it myself lol.