Bulking Advice for Newb!

Cheers mate.

I don’t really care if people think I am a tool. Just because some people are ‘huge’ does not make them right. I saw some big guys down the gym today and the way they were training was ridiculous. Their form was shit, they were not intense - they were doing 20 x 20 etc. and they were walking around like apes with skinny legs - I don’t wanna end up like that!

I’m pretty clues up regarding nutrition, it’s the training I have problems with as I take the step up from newb to serious training. I don’t really have a gym that has a squat rack nearby which is a ball ache, also I can’t do deadlifts at the moment due to a bad back.

Cheers guys,

Tool

[quote]FightingScott wrote:
There is no cut. There is no bulk. There is only the road to being jacked.

Seriously, there are not many reasons anyone should cut weight.

  1. You have health problems
  2. You want to move to a lower weight class for weightlifting/powerlifting/wresting/whatever
  3. You are going to compete in a bodybuilding contest.

If you just eat A LOT of good, real food then you will become leaner but you will gain muscle. Do these things:

  1. Lift Heavy
  2. Lift Often
  3. Eat Steak, Bird, Eggs, Fish, Milk, Vegetables, Fruit, Cottage Cheese, Whole Grain Carbs, Brown Rice, Waxy Maize, Protein Shakes, other foods that are obviously good for you.

You are a novice. You should not worry about cutting. It’s obvious that you need to gain muscle and that should be your priority over getting leaner. Seriously, have you not read any forum posts or articles on this site?

Just eat lots of good, wholesome food and do heavy Pressing, Squatting, and Pulling movements. Don’t worry about muscle shaping movements like Chest Flys or Reverse Grip Triceps Pushdowns. Stick to Squats, Deadlifts, Bench, Military Presses, Rows, Chins, Dips, Skullcrushers, and Curls. I once thought the best exercises were the most difficult ones like flys and dumbbell lateral raises. I though that when I was 9 years old and had no concept of strength training. Heavy Weights and good food is what makes the body grow.

There are no magical supplements. There are no magical programs. Steroids aren’t even as incredible as you’d think they’d be.

It doesn’t matter if you want to be a strongman, powerlifter, bodybuilder, kilted thrower, or whatever. You need to build a solid base in your youth. Your number one priority should be getting strong at this point. Don’t read any muscle magazines. Don’t listen to anyone who says that the “poundages you train with aren’t important.” Go heavy then eat heavy.

Eat frequently too. This will make you leaner, I promise. Don’t be afraid of fat. You think eggs and butter and high cholesterol foods make you fat? It’s actually the sugars and extra carbs that turn into triglycerides. Fat is necessary for the production of testosterone. Testosterone makes you jacked, strong, and sexually desired. Quit eating your Ben & Jerrys: start eating your steak and eggs.

Most of the faceless members of this site think you’re a massive tool right now for posting pics of your skinny self and seriously asking if you should bulk or cut.
But you’ve put yourself out there. You’ve started the journey. Don’t cut and run now. Prove all of us wrong. Read up on CTs articles, Charles Poliquin’s articles, Dante Trudell’s articles about DoggCrapp Training, and Loui Simmon’s articles on powerlifting and his Westside Template.

Make sure every time you step into the gym, you prove that you are stronger than you were yesterday. Break your personal records on a weekly basis. Go balls out. If you fail, punish yourself with drop sets, rest-pause sets, extra sets, and anything else you can think of.

When Lance Armstrong was asked about how he derived pleasure from biking 6 hour rides, he said he didn’t understand the question. He said he didn’t ride for the pleasure, he did it for the pain. It doesn’t matter how strong or weak you are. Be a total sadistic badass in the weight room. Do it for the pain. Stretch the very limits of your body, mind, and soul so you can grow as a sentient being.

Oh, and don’t overtrain.

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Wow, thats a good post. You know I actually have a word document on my desktop with all the best quotes and advice I’ve read on weightlifting. This is going straight there!

I choose to believe that this entire thread is just your basic trolljob.

So I give FightingScott that much more credit for his solid post.

[quote]chillain wrote:
I choose to believe that this entire thread is just your basic trolljob.

So I give FightingScott that much more credit for his solid post.

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errrr…

thanks for your input…

[quote]McSTE wrote:
errrr…

thanks for your input…[/quote]

no offense man, I really did think you were just messing with us. But I take that back now and wish you well on your journey.

You’ve found a great place for training and nutrition info, but know that your actual results will be STRICTLY based on the hard work you do in the kitchen and in the gym. Keep us posted.

btw chillian, your avatar is wierd as fuck lol creeps me out

One word : Steroids. Thats all you need to turn yourself from Mr PunyMan into Mass Monster Extradanaire!

Actually, thats horrible advice…
Just do big compound lifts, progress steadily on the weights, do a lil intense cardio/metabolic condtioning every now and then, and Eat to grow BIG!

[quote]BigKDawg wrote:
One word : Steroids. Thats all you need to turn yourself from Mr PunyMan into Mass Monster Extradanaire!

Actually, thats horrible advice…
Just do big compound lifts, progress steadily on the weights, do a lil intense cardio/metabolic condtioning every now and then, and Eat to grow BIG![/quote]

This kind of advice is fucking stupid.
The only people who will actually understand the tips you are giving are people that already have their shit together diet and training wise.

It’s so tiring seeing people just regurgitate what they read without any thought.

[quote]mr popular wrote:
BigKDawg wrote:
One word : Steroids. Thats all you need to turn yourself from Mr PunyMan into Mass Monster Extradanaire!

Actually, thats horrible advice…
Just do big compound lifts, progress steadily on the weights, do a lil intense cardio/metabolic condtioning every now and then, and Eat to grow BIG!

This kind of advice is fucking stupid.
The only people who will actually understand the tips you are giving are people that already have their shit together diet and training wise.

It’s so tiring seeing people just regurgitate what they read without any thought.[/quote]

And who made you Mr F–king All Knowing? Lets hear it from the guy who has all the answers. The only thing this board seems to grow besides egos is assholes, you being a prime example.

Lol if its the right information why wouldn’t it be regurgitated? Even though its been said a million times, with all the new posters asking the same questions it has to be told again. So its not being fucking stupid, its being patient and telling noobs what we’ve told others thousands of times. Yes it gets old seeing the same shit being said over and over again, but it has to be done since no one likes to use the search feature these days.

that isn’t my point… my point is, beginners don’t know how to do “big compound lifts” correctly, they may not even know what they are. They usually don’t understand how to make progress. Not only that but it would be ill advised to have them start slapping weight onto their squats before they can even go rock bottom without falling over… and what in the HELL is “a lil intense cardio/metabolic conditioning”!?

And lastly this guy obviously doesn’t know how to eat “big” to grow. A statement like that means nothing to a novice.

All you did was spout off a list of things that other people at your level of knowledge will understand and praise you for. You may have technically said things that are correct, but you didn’t help ANYONE out here.

Hey, I’m not that much of a beginner! I know what compound lifts are and I know what to eat to get big, just not sure how much to eat yet! It’s coming up with a 12week training plan I am having problems with. For every person that swears by what works for them there are two more that have programs that work for them, in time I will see which works for me, it just doesn’t happen over night.

Don’t argue boys! We’re all mates!

Any comments/advice on the following routine?

Bare in mind I work out at home and am unable (at this time) to perform deadlifts. I am looking to gain 12lbs muscle in 12 weeks.

Mon

DB Squats
DB Upright Row
Flat DB Press
Millitary Press
BB Good Mornings

Wed

DB Squats
Incline DB Press
Wide Grip Pullups4
BB good Mornings

Fri

DB Squats
Flat DB Press
DB Rows
DM Millitary Press
BB Good Mornings

Sat

DB Flyes
Lat Raise
Calve Raise
DB Curls

Forgot to add, will do 5 sets on each.

You are not going to gain 12lbs of muscle in 12 weeks… did you mean 12 months?

Your routine looks a little scatterbrained. I would try to simplify it if i were you. Are you unable to do barbell squats?

Lol I didn’t help anyone out here? Ok dude I’ll hand the reins over to you since you are obviously the only one capable of explaining these things.

Sry OP but i am leaving you in the hands of someone who is incompetent, but he knows best so gl.

All I know is 30 sets for one muscle group in one week would kill me.

[quote]mr popular wrote:
You are not going to gain 12lbs of muscle in 12 weeks… did you mean 12 months?

Your routine looks a little scatterbrained. I would try to simplify it if i were you. Are you unable to do barbell squats?[/quote]

No 12 weeks, I’m not talking about 12lbs dry muscle, I mean mass, incl.

Remember, I will add more muscle as this is my first proper bulk. Word.

As a general rule you can gain between 10-15 lbs of lean mass over a 12 week period, and 1-2 lbs of that would be fat.

A skeletal muscle is made up of an awful lot of parts as you dissect it down to the individual fibres and filaments, so I am obviously not talking about “pure muscle”. To break down how much of your muscle gain is “pure muscle” and how much water and glycogen would be speculation. So to answer what I believe is your question, yes I should be able to gain 10-15 lbs of lean mass in 12 weeks. So that would be everything that makes up my muscles.

If you wanna learn more mate I’d recommends getting Exercise Physiology by McArdle, Katch, and Katch. I’m not sure which edition it’s in now, but I have the 5th or 6th, so it could well be in it’s 8th or 9th by now!

word.

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Lol I didn’t help anyone out here? Ok dude I’ll hand the reins over to you since you are obviously the only one capable of explaining these things.

Sry OP but i am leaving you in the hands of someone who is incompetent, but he knows best so gl.[/quote]

Who are you talking about? Has someone upset you big man?

I’m sorry that you are so hopeful, but gaining 12lbs of muscle in twelve weeks is not the sort of thing you count on as being a fact.

Maybe if you gained 25lbs of total bodyweight while taking anabolic steroids during that twelve week period…

And you are right that beginners will gain faster than someone who has the basics down, but there is nothing truthful out there that can tell you exactly how much you are going to gain

I hate to be the one to burst your bubble, but honestly McSTE if you are going to start a thread asking for advice from other people, maybe you should consider the possibility that you might not have all the answers yet.

By your understanding of things you could gain 50lbs of muscle in a years time. with barely any fat… think about that for a second and tell me if you still think it is possible.