[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Basics? There are articles on this site that give the basics. I’m mentioned some of them. Eat Big and Lift Hard is bullshit. [/quote]
Who said “eat big and lift hard” in this thread?
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I don’t want to spend my time writing personal advice[/quote]
Good for you. What if I feel that personal experience goes much farther than most advice given by people who are newbies themselves and have just read those same articles for the first time?
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Neither do I want to spend time on the kind of flames that you give to people. Some will leave. Regardless of the kind of recepetion they get at T-Nation. You can post how you want. Your posts cause some to leave that otherwise wouldn’t and eventually be training properly if they stuck around. I sincerely believe this. [/quote]
Prove this statement. Prove people leave this forum because of my posts. I’ll wait.
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We’re not gonna agree on this, so let’s not argue about it anymore.[/quote]
You started it? Why quit now? I asked what advice you have given in this thread that came from personal experience. You have the time to write PAGES telling me how to write, but you can’t give this guy any personal advice? BULLSHIT, you fucking hypocrite.
Good for you. What if I feel that personal experience goes much farther than most advice given by people who are newbies themselves and have just read those same articles for the first time?
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Fine. You want to keep it going, keep it going. Can you please tell me what personal experience you’ve offered in your intial post or other posts responding to newbie posts like these? I have seen almost none.
Prove this statement. Prove people leave this forum because of my posts. I’ll wait.
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I can if you’ll help me. If you publically post and let us know everytime someone PMs you who posts a thread like this where you respond like you do. We can compare this to the number of people who post like this and are never heard from again after your responses and those like yours.
You started it? Why quit now? I asked what advice you have given in this thread that came from personal experience. You have the time to write PAGES telling me how to write, but you can’t give this guy any personal advice? BULLSHIT, you fucking hypocrite.
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I have given personal advice, plenty of times when there are SPECIFIC questions or comments that can be better served by a specifc answer or response. There are plenty of times when it’s BETTER to respond to generalities by referencing articles that are extremely well laid out on training and nutrtion and were written by experts in the field specifically FOR beginners.
Many of these posters don’t even know what to ask. Plenty of times, I’ve told people to eat more, splitting it up into multiple meals a day and focus on big compounds. AND reference them articles that will help them put together good programs.
When people have learned enough to ask specific trainning and nutrition questions, I give specifc answer based on my own experience. What SPECIFIC, personal advice have you given that’s so wonderful?
Good for you. What if I feel that personal experience goes much farther than most advice given by people who are newbies themselves and have just read those same articles for the first time?
Fine. You want to keep it going, keep it going. Can you please tell me what personal experience you’ve offered in your intial post or other posts responding to newbie posts like these? I have seen almost none.[/quote]
Reread the very last paragraph of my response and then come back and lie again. It was right there that he has to accept building up his entire body and then we can go from there.
That is the point, and the only one that should be drilled into this guy in this thread. Now, inform of what you took the time to inform him of while you apparently had enough time for the many posts in this thread.
Prof, the only advice that you gave to this poster is to work the whole body, after a couple paragraphs of flaming and sarcasm. That’s hardly personal advice based on your fount of knowledge and experience but general (and obvious) advice that I or every poster would’ve immediately said had it not already been posted.
Prove this statement. Prove people leave this forum because of my posts. I’ll wait.
I can if you’ll help me. If you publically post and let us know everytime someone PMs you who posts a thread like this where you respond like you do. We can compare this to the number of people who post like this and are never heard from again after your responses and those like yours.[/quote]
Why would I post a person’s private message to me? If they give me permission, I surely will. I have no intention of pm’ing people just to bring them into this thread.
You made a statement that you can’t prove in any way. No one leaves this site because of my posts and you know it. In fact, if someone actually did…GOOD. If the only way you can prove the ridiculous statement you made is by comparing MY private messages, you are a lost cause. That would tell you nothing at all about why someone leaves this site.
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Prof, the only advice that you gave to this poster is to work the whole body, after a couple paragraphs of flaming and sarcasm. That’s hardly personal advice based on your fount of knowledge and experience but general (and obvious) advice that I or every poster would’ve immediately said had it not already been posted.[/quote]
What further advice is there, jackass? You can’t go ANYWHERE beyond that until that is learned. I am glad you give no personal experience. It is very clear now that you have none. Have a great day. Be sure to follow my every post from here on out. Be seeing you.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Prof, the only advice that you gave to this poster is to work the whole body, after a couple paragraphs of flaming and sarcasm. That’s hardly personal advice based on your fount of knowledge and experience but general (and obvious) advice that I or every poster would’ve immediately said had it not already been posted.
What further advice is there, jackass? You can’t go ANYWHERE beyond that until that is learned. I am glad you give no personal experience. It is very clear now that you have none. Have a great day. Be sure to follow my every post from here on out. Be seeing you.[/quote]
Sigh. The poster himself said, ‘You’re all a bunch of assholes.’ Could the fact that you need to work whole body have been communicated just as well without leaving that impression? Almost definitely. Is that what you and other posters did? No.
I give plenty of personal advice when it’s called for and had you not said to work your entire body already, I would’ve said exactly that. And probably gotten it across much more effectively. You’re right that it would probably be invasive to give the names of people who PM you.
Maybe there is not way to prove it definitively. The best we can go on, then, is those that write T-Nation is a bunch of assholes and are never heard from again after respones like yours. Compared to those we see that continue to post and learn to train correctly.
But I personally don’t want to monitor that closely. I’m sure you don’t either. Another possibility would be changing your approach and seeing if it has a positive effect on the beginners of this website-if more stick around, and continue to post and begin training properly. Have a great day yourself.
I don’t usually post. My post in this thread was to basically show neptune the reason he got those answers. If he read the forums for awhile he would know it was nothing personal and the responses he got are the normal style of those posters.
I believe that for people to take you serious (enough for them to spend some time giving you advice as a a stranger) you need to show some interest. Show that you are open minded, that you read the sticky, display some humility or curiosity as to why your post came off as so ignorant. After all the slogan for the webstie says “Bodybuilding’s Think-Tank”.
I have never PM’d Prof. X or posted a thread but his post have helped me understand some basics. Like I didn’t need to cut at my weight. That I needed to deadlift. Eat more.
All by his responses to other people’s threads. I can tell you that at first I did not understand his reasoning (because of my ignorance) but I was persistent enough in looking for information as to ‘why?’ of his point of view.
yea proff i bet alot of people u criticize or flame when they might ask a silly question because they are still in the beginning phase might lay off the weights for awhile or even stop. u might say they are pussys and shouldnt bother working out if they dont have what it takes. u dont know everyones situation in life.
(just an example) some ppl go through depression, loss in the family, anything u name it. of course they will prolly quit lifting or quit these forums after u say some horrible things. personally after i read ur post i went to the gym and put in 3 hours, you just added fuel to my fire. other ppl might not take it like i did.
i actually used to read this forum alot but i never posted. but now that i wanted to change my workout routine i started coming back here. i remember reading posts like mine back when i used to read it in late 05 but i cant even remember people flaming like some did here.
to those who gave me bits of advice in this thread, thanks. i AM going to start on a full body workout. wanna know why? after reading that i cant just bulk certain muscles without working out all the muscles in my body. next i will INJURE myself down the road. im 18 and i dont wanna be injuring myself so early in life. im already getting back pain due to no back workouts. last, i’d stay skinny forever.
im not gunna say that ive wasted the past 11 months of working out cuz i’d be telling a fib. i’ve put on 20 lbs of muscle in 11 months. but i wish i would of posted this thread 11 months back so i would of started off with the right state of mind. who knows i might of gained 30 lbs of muscle by now.
i did read articles but i just left out half of the routines out. im gunna start taking monthly photos, measurements, and weight records and post them on here like others do.
[quote]ah_dut wrote:
Oh and maybe I’m just a lunatic but I think you’re somewhat kidding yourself if you say you’re getting a complete workout on a surfboard. I don’t surf personally but I ooldn’t say anything apart from heavy manual labour, not even rowing can replicate a proper full body weights program[/quote]
i guess i should have went more in depth when i said that. its a endurance forearm and shoulder workout. u just get toned doin it. and yes i think i was kidding myself up until now.
u say you’ve been reading this site and you spent 3 hours hard on the weights? thats thick…
Anyway, i think this site is rockin’ for begginers, i lurked for maybe 2-3 months before i signed up and have only been lifting 8… it was a good experience, and has taught me what i need to know to get started in lifting with no grief at all. I rarely see that there is any need to ask much before then.
I don’t think you needed to post your question. Any one bulking article on here would set you straight, actually, any one article at all!
and as for newbs giving advice? i think it’s stupid if it’s something specific, and i would never post about that stupidly, but refering people to articles before all patience is lost and we become hardened bad asses is surely a good thing?
lol thats funny. i writing down that routine in my notebook then i looked at this post and saw you put that link. ironic? dont think so. why? because that seems like the best bulking article ive come across yet!
so now im changing my routine, im gunna make a new thread in a month and post pcitures monthly on my progress. one question, why is my right pec droopy at the bottom? while my left one is fine
[quote]neptune wrote:
so now im changing my routine, im gunna make a new thread in a month and post pcitures monthly on my progress. one question, why is my right pec droopy at the bottom? while my left one is fine[/quote]
Your right pec is not “droopy”, it simply inserts lower than your other. There are several bodybuilders with similar attachments. You can’t change anything about that and it isn’t that significant to even worry about. Gaining more size will take away from any focus on it. Do NOT post pictures every month. Unless there has been a huge jump in weight gain, smaller changes won’t be noteiceable and taking pictures that often could very well work against you by making you think you are making less progress than you really are. The only time I would take monthly pictures is when dieting and fat loss can tracked at a much faster rate.
You are one skinny bastard. If you do not squat, you will not make as much progress. Your entire body has to grow to make the most progress in any one area. Your first body part trained in a week should be legs just so you don’t fucking forget.
[quote]neptune wrote:
guess my back isnt too bad for not working on it[/quote]
Yes it is, sissy-boy. Don’t show off what you don’t have. Post another pic when you’ve gained 40 lbs.
You think you’re going to get good development without working out your whole body? Let those of us back in reality know how that works out for you. And stop saying “gunna” and “cuz,” you sound like a three year old.
