Bruce Lee's Stats?

[quote]swivel wrote:
ZEB wrote:

He was just a man who had decent martial arts skills and used them and his charisma to star in Kung-Fu flicks. And he had “some” interesting ideas.

The rest is all myth…

zeb,i agree w/ you on the idol worship,
but this description is more fitting to someone like van damme. bruce lee was a master as is evidenced by the life of his students who have become masters, as well as the recognition, respect, and friendship afforded him by the entire martial arts community, including those superstars mentioned in the thread above norris,lebell,lewis,inosanto-for over 30 years.

those guys, their experiences with bruce lee, and the work that bruce lee began to that continues to flourish and thrive today weighs just a wee bit more than mere making movies on the scale of contribution.
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Yes, he was a decent martial arist. But what was he a “master” of? Being charasmatic? Being a world wide film star?

He certainly was not a master of fighting as some would argue. Remember he did not face and defeat the best of his day.

All anecdotal stories of Lee jumping through the air and defeating 12 street thugs aside…

By the way some also thought he was egotistical and into showmanship more than the “art.” Not that that matters relative to his fighting prowess. As stated we will never know exactly how good he was and I think that’s probably what he wanted…

Gleemox
"‘That level’ didn’t exist back then. The closest corrolary [2] would be street fighting and dojo feuds – which Lee HAD trained to compete in. "

Back when Lee opened his first school all they had were dojo challenges. My teachers had plenty of fights like that.

When the people from Chinatown went into Lee’s school and told him that he was to stop teaching caucasians or else. They brought the toughest, heavy hitting, kung fu teacher they could find in Chinatown.

That was a real fight and Lee made him his bitch.

[quote]Sifu wrote:
Gleemox
"‘That level’ didn’t exist back then. The closest corrolary [2] would be street fighting and dojo feuds – which Lee HAD trained to compete in. "

Back when Lee opened his first school all they had were dojo challenges. My teachers had plenty of fights like that.

When the people from Chinatown went into Lee’s school and told him that he was to stop teaching caucasians or else. They brought the toughest, heavy hitting, kung fu teacher they could find in Chinatown.

That was a real fight and Lee made him his bitch.
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(eye roll) It never ever ends…Okay…no more reality for you guys.

[quote]ZEB wrote:
swivel wrote:
ZEB wrote:

He was just a man who had decent martial arts skills and used them and his charisma to star in Kung-Fu flicks. And he had “some” interesting ideas.

The rest is all myth…

zeb,i agree w/ you on the idol worship,
but this description is more fitting to someone like van damme. bruce lee was a master as is evidenced by the life of his students who have become masters, as well as the recognition, respect, and friendship afforded him by the entire martial arts community, including those superstars mentioned in the thread above norris,lebell,lewis,inosanto-for over 30 years.

those guys, their experiences with bruce lee, and the work that bruce lee began to that continues to flourish and thrive today weighs just a wee bit more than mere making movies on the scale of contribution.

Yes, he was a decent martial arist. But what was he a “master” of? Being charasmatic? Being a world wide film star?

He certainly was not a master of fighting as some would argue. Remember he did not face and defeat the best of his day.

All anecdotal stories of Lee jumping through the air and defeating 12 street thugs aside…

By the way some also thought he was egotistical and into showmanship more than the “art.” Not that that matters relative to his fighting prowess. As stated we will never know exactly how good he was and I think that’s probably what he wanted…

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again i agree that the lee was superman fanatacism is annoying and should be shot down. but i don’t agree with throwing the baby out with the bathwater and not recognizing the astounding contribution of bruce lee’s 30 odd years.

the fact that you give birth to something that continues to live and flourish through productive human beings of the future makes you a master.

the fact that your work can influence and shift the historic course of traditions and thought practiced for thousands of years transporting an art form across geographic, historic and cultural barriers makes you a master.

the fact that your work continues to inspire those who contact it to change their lives and explore that art to enrich and grow themselves makes you a master.

bruce lee was the real thing enough to make an enormous impact on the world of martial arts and the course it took for the future. i really doubt we would see mma as a money making, tournament sport it is today without the work bruce lee did and the seeds he planted in every youngster of the 70’s.

a good comparison to bruce lee would be jimi hendrix, who i also would call a master, though he wouldn’t have passed even a freshman proficiency exam at any music school. still his worked changed the world. and that’s the kind of shit that makes you live for a long, long, time.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
Beam me up, Scotty.

Why is it anyone’s goal to be a short, skinny oriental?

These Bruce Lee worshipers are getting on my nerves. Is there a spray we can spray that will geit rid of them? Like giant can of RAID?[/quote]

Great post! :-/

Honestly, as huge mofo’s let us continue to pursue future hyoogeness and strength and let others worship who they may, be it Bruce Lee.

Would you rather everyone have the same goals and same physique/strength? It’s what makes some of us unique. Think about that.

[quote]RRJ wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Beam me up, Scotty.

Why is it anyone’s goal to be a short, skinny oriental?

These Bruce Lee worshipers are getting on my nerves. Is there a spray we can spray that will geit rid of them? Like giant can of RAID?

Great post! :-/

Honestly, as huge mofo’s let us continue to pursue future hyoogeness and strength and let others worship who they may, be it Bruce Lee.

Would you rather everyone have the same goals and same physique/strength? It’s what makes some of us unique. Think about that.[/quote]

I’m already unique. I don’t have to entertain those who think looking like Bruce Lee is an amazing accomplishment. I think the man was a great martial artist and promoter. I do not for one second think his physique was amazing, stupendous, unreachable, or any other term used to describe being very skinny with very little body fat. In fact, if any guy has an extremely hard time looking like that and had to GAIN muscle to get there, I would suggest getting your testicles checked…just to see if they have dropped yet.

I think Sifu has presented info fairly well in this thread…but I have to agree, I am very tired of seeing Bruce Lee pop up every other month simply because some guy who more than likely doesn’t even lift weights thinks Bruce Lee’s look is “attainable”.

[quote]swivel wrote:
ZEB wrote:
swivel wrote:
ZEB wrote:

He was just a man who had decent martial arts skills and used them and his charisma to star in Kung-Fu flicks. And he had “some” interesting ideas.

The rest is all myth…

zeb,i agree w/ you on the idol worship,
but this description is more fitting to someone like van damme. bruce lee was a master as is evidenced by the life of his students who have become masters, as well as the recognition, respect, and friendship afforded him by the entire martial arts community, including those superstars mentioned in the thread above norris,lebell,lewis,inosanto-for over 30 years.

those guys, their experiences with bruce lee, and the work that bruce lee began to that continues to flourish and thrive today weighs just a wee bit more than mere making movies on the scale of contribution.

Yes, he was a decent martial arist. But what was he a “master” of? Being charasmatic? Being a world wide film star?

He certainly was not a master of fighting as some would argue. Remember he did not face and defeat the best of his day.

All anecdotal stories of Lee jumping through the air and defeating 12 street thugs aside…

By the way some also thought he was egotistical and into showmanship more than the “art.” Not that that matters relative to his fighting prowess. As stated we will never know exactly how good he was and I think that’s probably what he wanted…

again i agree that the lee was superman fanatacism is annoying and should be shot down.[/quote]

I thank you sir! (does a low bow)

I agree babies are good and should never be thrown out (or aborted).

Lee did indeed contribute a great deal to the martial arts world.

Lee gave birth? Wow…what will they say about him next? :slight_smile:

He contributed a great deal-let’s leave it at that.

Um…okay what the heck…

My entire point for getting involved in this thread was to demonstrate that Lee had never fought and defeated the best of his day.

However, as long as you brought it up; I don’t Lee had a whole heck of a lot to do with MMA. I think you can thank the Gracie’s for that. And Helio predated Bruce Lee by many years.

Now if Lee had lived who knows?

[quote]a good comparison to bruce lee would be jimi hendrix, who i also would call a master, though he wouldn’t have passed even a freshman proficiency exam at any music school. still his worked changed the world. and that’s the kind of shit that makes you live for a long, long, time.
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Yea, okay Lee is like Jimi Hendrix…I don’t mind that comparison. As long as people are not cluttering up the thread claiming that he was the greatest fighter who ever lived I’m happy.

X once again bringing the clarity. The thing I like about Lee was he was absolutely devoted to his training. If anyone were to beat him it wouldn’t have been from a lack of effort on his part.

Lee might not have competed in tournaments but he did attend plenty of them. If his contemporaries had as much of a bug up their ass about him as some of the board members here have, he made himself available to settle it. I know I’ve been at a few tournaments where things have gotten lively.

I remember an interview with Bob Wall where he said that Lee did fight a lot of the top people from his day. They would come over to his home dojo and train with him.

I personally know plenty of people who get together in a basement or a garage and train. This a normal thing amongst martial artists so it’s believable.

If as Bob Wall says Lee was matching up with people when they came over to his house why would he want to go and enter tournaments?

Martial arts ego’s being what they are I doubt many of Lee’s training partners would brag about getting schooled.

If anything I think the real problem is finding a balance between what is true and what isn’t. If you are not coming from a martial arts background you aren’t going to know what the culture is like.

I know this, being able to bill yourself as the martial artist who beat Bruce Lee would be worth money. You could open schools you could sell books, videos etc. There’s noone doing it.

One of the interesting things about Lee is the disparity between his martial arts on film and what his actual philosophies were. I recall Lee even making this distinction in interviews, meaning his portrayal of martial arts in film was not necessarily an entirely accurate portrayal of his JKD.

For example, one of the fundamental precepts of JKD is economy of motion. With this, the nucleus as well as the Inosanto school deems kicking to the head a waste. Watch any Bruce Lee movie and you’ll see him spinning and kicking to the head profusely.

In addition, Lee’s JKD was reliant on counterpunching, trapping, inside grappling, and boxing. You see very little of this in his movies. What you do see is mostly comprised of flashing kung fu moves that look good for the camera.

My point being, I think it’s very difficult to ascertain the efficacy of Lee as his fighter by watching his movies. In them, he was always playing characters that did not necessarily share the same motivation or technique background as Lee himself. In addition, the remaining uncut footage of the Game of Death seen in A Warrior’s Journey is the first time Lee brought JKD to the screen, and even then it’s still embellished to look good for the camera.

There really is no modern corollary for Lee who was as active in the martial arts community as he was in acting. Jet Li, Tony Jaa, Van Damme, even Norris long ago gave up being pioneers in the martial arts field, and now sell themselves purely as actors. Even until the end, as far as documentation can reveal to us, Lee was trying to use film as a vehicle for showcasing martial arts, not using martial arts to make a good action film.

[quote]zdrax wrote:
…For example, one of the fundamental precepts of JKD is economy of motion. With this, the nucleus as well as the Inosanto school deems kicking to the head a waste. Watch any Bruce Lee movie and you’ll see him spinning and kicking to the head profusely.
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Just don’t tell Chuck it is a waste.

[quote]Sifu wrote:

Lee might not have competed in tournaments but he did attend plenty of them. [/quote]

I attended a lot of baseball games last year, I think that makes me as good as Barry Bonds at his peak. Lol

[quote]I remember an interview with Bob Wall where he said that Lee did fight a lot of the top people from his day. They would come over to his home dojo and train with him.

I personally know plenty of people who get together in a basement or a garage and train. This a normal thing amongst martial artists so it’s believable.[/quote]

I beat up some pretty big dudes in my basement…WHAT? You don’t believe me?

I have had about 12 years in the martial arts, not a really long time, but I did get into the culture of it, that’s why I left.

And trust me, you have not found a “balance” yet when it comes to Lee.

[quote] I know this, being able to bill yourself as the martial artist who beat Bruce Lee would be worth money.
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Really? I think it would be more like spitting on an image that is unfortunately still worshipped by the feeble minded.

It would be sort of like bragging on the Internet, no one repects or believes it as there is never any proof.

I gave up trying to read all the post a long time ago… I guess the majority of people dissing didn’t like him before they knew anything about him - “why is it anyone’s goal to be a short, skinny, oriental?”… The guy is just someone to inspire and look-up to. He may have been skinny, but it was never his goal to be ‘muscular’ or buff. But despite his size, I bet his was a lot stronger than a lot of body-builders…

Who was the best martial artist of all time?

In the words of Kipland Ronald Dynamite, “Like anyone can even know that.”

I got an official transcript with Bruce Lee’s stats:

height: short
weight: less than a gallon of milk
strength: enough to tear notebook paper
body fat percentage: hungry

[quote]ZEB wrote:

I already stated that from what I could tell he was a decent martial artist, pay attention.[/quote]

You rang?

Since I’m the one who brought up Lebell in my reply to DLBoy, it would seem that I have done my research. Is there a valid reason for you to have said the above?

I truly wish you would allow it to. Either that, or I wish you had something relevant to say.

-Glee

[quote]ZEB wrote:
(eye roll) It never ever ends…Okay…no more reality for you guys.

[/quote]

What a rational, relevant and productive post. I’m sold!

-Glee

[quote]Gleemonex wrote:
ZEB wrote:

I already stated that from what I could tell he was a decent martial artist, pay attention.

You rang?

And he did not train with Gene LeBell for more than two months, do some research.

Since I’m the one who brought up Lebell in my reply to DLBoy, it would seem that I have done my research. Is there a valid reason for you to have said the above?

Let the Lee myth die…It really needs to die

I truly wish you would allow it to. Either that, or I wish you had something relevant to say.

-Glee[/quote]

Relevance is subjective.

Point (person states while looking wild eyed):

“Lee was the greatest martial artist whoever lived.”

Counter Point: “Lee never fought and defeated the best of his day. Hence, we have nothing to base such a wild claim on.”

End of story (for the rational)…

But never really the end as the Lee worshippers refuse to base any sort of determination upon sound facts.

:slight_smile:

[quote]RickJames wrote:
I got an official transcript with Bruce Lee’s stats:

height: short
weight: less than a gallon of milk
strength: enough to tear notebook paper
body fat percentage: hungry[/quote]

He was actually just AS heavy as a gallon of milk. I thought I would make that one and only correction in what was stated. Carry onward.

Attention: More myth crushing facts ahead. Drive slowly!

"(References for Mr Hess’s analysis and his qualifications and published work at the bottom)

Bruce Lee is the personality most associated with the martial arts. Both
martial art enthusiasts and non-practioners consider the deceased actor as the ultimate martial artist. Although he did not compete in tournaments or submit to any empirical conventions wherein his ability could be objectively assessed, he is frequently referred to as a superior athlete and the strongest fighter “pound for pound.”

A close examination of his exercise regime and personal character reveal a committed athlete and martial artist but not to the mythic proportions usually ascribed to him. This article will review Lee’s physical strength, aerobic capacity, and individual character to assess whether he should be considered the “best of the best”.

I. Physical strength.
Numerous persons have stated that Bruce Lee possessed
an incredible amount of strength. Based on his exercise program, it appears he was of below-average lower body strength. According to the strength training program Lee used during 1965 (Lee, 1989), he performed squats using 95 pounds with 10 repetitions. This would equate to an estimated 1 repetition maximum (1RM) of 130 pounds (Wathen, 1994), which would place him below the 25th percentile for the 121-140 pound weight class among adult males (Hatfield, 1993).

This type of estimation for the 1 repetition maximum is standard among
athletic trainers to assess the strength level of a wide range of athletes,
both professional and amateur.While some chart estimates may vary slightly from one to another, most are within approximately 10% of one another.
Some readers, who are accustomed to viewing Lee as possessing epic strength, may assert that Lee probably was not using his maximum ability at that time. It is therefore noted that this regime occurred prior to Lee’s well-known back injury. Furthermore, if Lee was capable of performing the squat exercise with more than 95 pounds for 10 repetitions, one must question why this was part of his established routine or, alternatively, why he would be committing himself to a method of underachievement by using too low an amount of weight to stimulate the greatest strength gains possible.

To further demonstrate this below-average lower body strength, the estimated
130 pound maximum estimate would mean Lee was not prepared for plyometric training (a type of explosiveness exercise) which requires the ability to squat a minimum of 1.5 times the body weight (Allerheiligen, 1994).In other words, at an approximate body weight of 140 pounds, Lee would need to have squatted 210 pounds to engage in plyometric training based on recognized standards for training of athletes by today’s standards.
Lee’s upper body strength is another matter altogether and, when understood from a sport science perspective, partially explains his on-screen appeal.

Once again, according to the program used during his 1965 stay in Hong Kong, Lee performed bicep curls using a weight of 80 pounds and 8 repetitions. This would equate to an estimated 1 repetition maximum of 110 pounds and would place him in the 100th percentile for the 121-140 pound weight class.From a training perspective, one must question how a discrepancy of this proportion, between his upper and lower body strength, evolved in Lee’s training. Nevertheless, it demonstrates that his upper body strength was developed to its maximum potential.

Numerous observers of Bruce Lee, such as deceased Kenpo master Ed Parker, have stated Lee was perhaps the strongest “pound for pound” martial artist. Sport science can confirm this possibility. Numerous assessments of athletes throughout the past few decades have confirmed that smaller athletes are proportionately stronger than larger ones. This is due to the fact that a muscle’s maximum contractile force is proportional to its cross-sectional area.In laymen’s terms, this means that a smaller athlete has a higher strength to mass ratio than larger athletes.
Stated practically, as body size increases, body mass increases more rapidly than does muscle strength.

In a colloquial sense, it could be said this is similar to the “law of diminishing returns.” Certain martial art film stars such as Jean Claude Van Damme and Jeff Speakman may look better due to their mass, but their actual strength, in proportion to body weight, would be less than a relatively light person such as Lee.

Incredible speed is inherent to superior strength at a low body weight.
Since Lee never weighed more than 143 pounds yet possessed superior upper body strength in the 100th percentile, this would account for the lightening speed he demonstrated on film. With more mass, he would not have been as fast and would not have appeared so on film.

II. Aerobic capacity.
Lee was known to advocate running as the best cardiovascular exercise (Lee, 1975) and is reported to have run 2 miles in 15 minutes or 6 miles in 45 minutes (Storm, 1986; Lee, 1989).In either case, this would mean an approximate pace of a 7 minute 30 second mile. This pace equates to a VO2 max of approximately 50 ml/kg/min (Noakes, 1991). The VO2 max is a method employed by sport scientists to estimate an individual’s maximum capacity to use oxygen during extended exercise.

The average VO2 max among healthy young men is between 45 and 55. Lee’s estimated value of 50, based on his running times, would place him squarely in the middle of average healthy young men. The values among elite runners and cross-country skiers is usually a range between 75 and 85 ml/kg/min. In other words, Lee’s aerobic capacity was quite average. Once again, certain readers who are accustomed to viewing Lee in epic proportions may assert that Lee was not running his fastest and was capable of more. Considering his personality, if this were true it arguably would have been publicized somewhere.

In contrast to Lee’s estimated aerobic capacity, a Canadian research study published in 1995 demonstrates that elite kickboxers possess a VO2 max of 62 (Zabukovec and Tiidus, 1995). In controlled laboratory measurements, elite kickboxers had recorded values of aerobic capacity that are comparable to a person who runs a 4:45 mile, or a 34 minute 10k foot race. It is a curious notion, therefore, that Lee was considered to be an aerobic phenomenon. Current elite kickboxing competitors register higher aerobic capacity than did Bruce Lee.

III.Personal Character.
The great karate master Gichin Funakoshi stated that martial artists should show great concern for family and relationships. “The mind of the true karateka should be imbued with (family) concern before he turns his attention to his body and the refinement of his technique” (Funakoshi, 1975).

In contrast, Lee is reported to have been involved in several extramarital affairs and, in fact, died in the apartment of a woman with whom he has intimately involved (Beeckler, 1996).
Lee also died without a will (intestate) which left his widow with almost a decade of legal battles to settle the matter of his estate. While some may argue that his early, unanticipated, death would have precluded finalizing a will, Lee was conscious enough of his own mortality that he purchased significant amounts of life insurance just months prior to his death.

And while Funakoshi admonishes martial artists to render honor to their families before refining themselves, when Bruce Lee did refine himself physically it was not in a wholly honorable fashion. In addition to the prescription medications Cortisone and Dilantin, he is also reported to have used anabolic steroids and diuretics to achieve his physique (Beeckler, 1996). It is also documented that he was a user of marijuana during the final three years of his life and it was discovered in his body during the autopsy.

Why the Best of the Best?
Bruce Lee did not compete in any sanctioned martial art events. He compiled no tournament record to demonstrate his ability as did other superstars of his generation such as Bill Wallace, Chuck Norris, Bob Wall or Mike Stone. Various anecdotes are reported regarding his superiority in street fights but is that a basis of considering anyone the best of the best in their respective sport or physical activity? Would the American public accept this reasoning if Pete Sampras said he was the best tennis player but refused to compete in Wimbledon? Or if Michael Jordan claimed to be the best basketball player but would only play in alleys and playgrounds, never on the professional hardwood court?
Today’s martial athletes can demonstrate their abilities in an empirical manner.

For example, the IMPAX instrument records the total of punches and kicks delivered in a certain period of time and the total force of a strike or kick. The elite kick boxers surveyed in the earlier referenced study were objectively assessed regarding their aerobic and anaerobic capacity as well as maximum knee torque. In other words, the tools exist today to determine who is the best of the best among martial artists.

For better or worse, Lee escaped objective evaluation.
It’s tremendously subjective but Bruce Lee is arguably considered the most noteworthy martial artist due to his magnetism on film. Regardless of any opinion about his actual martial art talent, or lack of empirical demonstration regarding his ability, he expressed himself on the screen in a manner that no martial artist has equaled.

And, by combining his upper body strength and light body weight, he possessed uncanny speed that visually made believers of anyone who saw him in action.

Reassessing the Usefulness of the Bruce Lee Myth
In one sense, Lee is forever a tremendous asset to the martial art community as his image and myth draws people to the arts. These fledgling martial artists may then be retained for more noble and enduring reasons than a desire to emulate someone whose example is questionable upon closer examination.

Once a martial artist reviews the reality of Lee’s strength, aerobic capacity and personal character, a sober question must be addressed: should Lee’s myth be actively deconstructed among novice martial artists? Perhaps not.

That may be a function of maturity and be better emphasized in the later stages of training and spiritual development within the arts. Instead, people need a visual image to connect to and, until they begin to see their own selves in growing competency, may need the myth of Bruce Lee to sustain their training efforts.

References

Lee, Linda (1989). The Bruce Lee Story. Ohara Publications, California. (70)

Wathen, Dan (1994). Load Assignment. In Essentials of Strength Training and Conditioning. Human Kinetics, Illinois. (436)

Hatfield, Fredrick C., Ph. D. (1993). Fitness: The Complete Guide. International Sport Sciences Association, California. (119) .

Allerheiligen, William B. (1994). Speed Development and Plyometric Training. In Essentials of Strength Training and Conditioning. Human Kinetics, Illinois. (321)

Lee, Bruce (1975). Tao of Jeet Kune Do. Ohara, Burbank, California. ( )

Storm, Mitch; Black Belt Magazine, The Editors (1986). The Legendary Bruce Lee. Ohara, Burbank, CA. (53)

Lee, Linda (1989). The Bruce Lee Story. Ohara Publications, California. (54)

Noakes, Timothy, M.D. (1991). The Lore of Running. Leisure Press, Champaign, Illinois. (42)

Tiidus, Peter M.; Zabukovec, Randy (1995). “Physiological and Anthropometric Profile of Elite Kickboxers”. Journal of Strength and Conditioning research, (November) 240-242.

Funakoshi, Gichin (1975). Karate-Do: My Way of Life. Kodansha International, Tokyo, Japan. (102)

Beeckler, Tom (1996). Unsettled Matters: The Life and Death of Bruce Lee. Gilderoy Publications, Lompoc, California. (144; 182)

ABOUT THE AUTHOR: In addition to the martial arts, Mr. Hess is a licensed cycling coach who regularly works with successful endurance athletes with tiny vertical jumps. He is the author of Total Quality Martial Arts: Pathways to Continuous Improvement."

Size is a comparative thing. Next to a 4’11" 120 pound Tatsuo Shimabuku, Lee was a giant. Here is where you can find some of the only film of the master who taught some of the very best of Lee’s day.

http://www.americanisshinryukarate.com/isshinryu_kata_shimabuku.htm

I doubt many of you will find those films super exciting but consider this. Tatsuo Shimabuku could have been the grandmaster of Shobayashi Shorin Ryu when grandmaster Chotoku Kyan http://www.karate.org.yu/images/kyan-4c.jpg died but he wanted to modify it in ways that are very much similar to jeet Kune Do.

So instead his younger brother and student Eizo Shimabuku became grand master and teaches an unmodified system. Eizo’s most famous student is Joe Lewis.

I didn’t know you have 12 years in the arts Zeb, that explains a lot. I had wondered why you kept wining about tournaments.

You should know that there is a huge difference between going to a baseball arena with 40’000 other people and being just another face in the crowd and going to a karate tournament with a couple hundred peers.

If you look at the picture I added you’ll see the best of Lee’s day standing directly behind Chuck Norris and Bruce Lee at a tournament.

This man headed the team that defeated all comers at Mas Oyama’s First Full Contact North American Karate Championships in Madison Square Garden in 1962. http://www.internationalmartialarts.org/

Obviously he thought enough of Lee to include that picture on his website.