Brotherhood of Iron Redux

[quote]MeinHerzBrennt wrote:
So I woke up at 12:30 today with no hangover despite feeling like shit last night round 2. Put away all my bar-related shit in my apartment and threw out my flashcards. I"M FUCKING DONE BITCHES

Absolutely no more school, and after 19 years it’s about damn time.

I have till September 8th till I start my job. Going to a rock show on saturday and a yankee game at the end of the month. Other than that i’m just playin it by ear.

Probably going to the gym to do some cardio today, or fuck maybe i’ll just do a light weight session. Really, really looking forward to trying out the Yates 3 way.

A little late, but my summer finally started.[/quote]

hey dude thats whatsup. at least you have all that stuff behind you and you have a career starting, etc. thats more than i can say. enjoy the summer man, you earned it.

[quote]Stuntman Mike wrote:
xb-c, my two cents,

All the stuff CC is recommending is great, but I think before you move into another high volume routine[/quote] Wait, you’re calling 1-2 exercises per major muscle-group and 1-2 top sets per exercise high volume? :wink: [quote], you need to give your body a rest. 5/3/1 set up would be perfect, and I’m talking 5/3/1 without a huge amount of accessory. Just maybe a month or two, drive up your main lifts, then continue with the high volume stuff. I really think you could benefit from just eating huge(er), and trying to get strong as balls(er).

I’m not saying the high volume thing sucks, clearly it’s working wonders for Bug and yourself, but you might need to tone it down for a while just so you can give your joints and crap a break. I’m the same age as you, and I don’t need to ice crap after any workouts (ok well maybe once a month).

In short, I don’t really think the training matters, as long as you give it all you have and have faith in the program, and EAT TO GAIN SIZE YOU LANKY MOFO (no relation to the real lank mofo). But if I were you, I’d give high volume a break for now and just try a simpler, lower volume approach. It will give your body a break, and who knows, you might even do better on it.

As my for current plan: Just straightup 5/3/1

monday:
5/3/1 military
HS shoulder press - working up sets of 5
leaning lateral raise - rep out 20-30lbs
PJRs working up to sets of 12
straight bar press downs done rest paused

tuesday:
5/3/1 d-d-d-d-deadlifts
strapless kroc rows, 3-5 sets of 10
straight arm pulls down - whatever to progress
horizontal row - whatever to progress
misc. abz, rear delt, lower back

thursday:
5/3/1 bench
DB incline - rest pause or just working up to sets of 8 (might switch out soon)
pec dec - working up to sets of 12-15
spider curls - rest paused
pinwheels - one all out set

friday:
5/3/1 squizats
front squats - whatever i feel like
good mornings - whatever i want
maybe some leg curl/ext.

Thats my shit right now, the days dont always land like that, but I like to go 2 on, 1 off, 2 on, 2 off sorta deal if I can to keep it in a week. I’m trying to keep it simple[/quote]

That could do the trick as well. As I said, many options from 5 3 1 to Phil Hernon, he just has to pick one and eat.

Anyway, I did include the “AMRAP/12-20 rep” rotation in the yates routine so his joints would get a break (basically he’s lifting “heavy” every 10 days per bodypart on the regular frequency) for a while.

All just variations of the same thing, really.

[quote]Stronghold wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
MEUB

  1. Shirt Bench

    Warmed up to a 365lbs off a 3 Board, then the Epic Fail began

    4 Board 405 - Didn’t even move
    4 Board 405 - Didn’t move yet again
    4 Board 455 - single, nearly impossible to row down
    4 Board 455x3 - success

  2. JM Press 295lbs 3x5

  3. Facepulls 3x20 90lbs
    Scarecrows 3x15 30lbs

  4. Chins Mini Band - 8,8,8,5,8

  5. BB Curls 6,5,5 105lbs

Apparently, the shirt is too small for me, and my training partners think it would take 550-600lbs in order for my shirt to touch, problem is, I’m not strong enough for that, so I have to drop some fat. I’m 205lbs atm, and I need to be somewhere between 190lbs-195lbs in order to be ok. Any tips?

You can diet like me, broseph.[/quote]

Do the v-diet. Hohohoho.
You’ll suck at your next meet, but you’ll be overrun by figure-competitors and pornstars and models and whatnot. It worked for CS, right? :wink:

[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
@ JB, yeah my biceps are strong always have been. I think its cause I’ve focused on them so hard for so long. Its a blessing and a curse because it sometimes takes its toll on my back workouts.

@ Live, I think he’s referring to the 1753 and a 1358 aint bad either I definetely had gas in the tank. [/quote]

Hammer Curls

90 * 10

That’s what I was thinking about, actually. Most pro’s don’t get past the 100’s on regular hammer curls (not pinwheels though).
Depends a lot on how you do the exercise, of course, but for me, hammer-curling the 90’s was quite the achievement (I started with the 30’s I think?)

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Why do people pull sumo anyways? The only reason I can think to do it is if you are a PLer and want to shorten your ROM. I see no purpose for it whatsoever from a BBing perspective.[/quote]

Great hamstring exercise. Practically the only one that really hits my hammies…

And the only way for me to safely get down low enough for a floor deadlift. Conv. Just totally doesn’t work for me.

Also gives you some nice traps :wink:

[quote]josh86 wrote:
And a relaxed back pic…because they make me feel a little better about myself after looking at my horrible front pics.[/quote]

Well, it took me forever to get my lats to look decent… I hate you :wink:

Unfortunately, your clavicle-issue is out of my league… PM Bushidobadboy perhaps and Modok, I can’t really think of anyone else.

[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Josh- What about dumbells and those iso-lateral hammerstrength machines? Can you do those without issues?
[/quote] If I’m not mistaken, then his one shoulder will be pulled forward to some degree due to the shortened clavicle? Sort of like a tight pec minor, just not really fixable by simple stretching and back work… That would mean that his shoulder is hard to keep on the bench while pressing, no matter what press you’re doing… This is all me guessing stuff here though… I hope BBB or Modok will be able to help him.

Anyway, I’d be less worried about looks and exercises than about the pain he’s getting… If there is a chance to fix this via surgery, I’d take it…

[quote]

Everyone talking about deadlifts hurting their backs: your form sucks and your core is weak. Get your abs and low back stronger and make sure you don’t have any pelvic tilt going on (ie: tight hamstrings) and you will be fine.[/quote]

Tight hammies (and much more so, interestingly, tight calves… At least the part that is responsible for knee flexion along with the hams… I used to get calf cramps all the time before I started my training career, wonder if that’s got something to do with it) are my big issue when it comes to conv. deads. Never managed to truly get rid of that.

Agree on the Ab work… Pulldown abs and such with heavy weight work wonders…

[quote]MeinHerzBrennt wrote:
So I woke up at 12:30 today with no hangover despite feeling like shit last night round 2. Put away all my bar-related shit in my apartment and threw out my flashcards. I"M FUCKING DONE BITCHES

Absolutely no more school, and after 19 years it’s about damn time.

I have till September 8th till I start my job. Going to a rock show on saturday and a yankee game at the end of the month. Other than that i’m just playin it by ear.

Probably going to the gym to do some cardio today, or fuck maybe i’ll just do a light weight session. Really, really looking forward to trying out the Yates 3 way.

A little late, but my summer finally started.[/quote]

Good job man, enjoy your summer :wink:

[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
josh86 wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
Why do people pull sumo anyways? The only reason I can think to do it is if you are a PLer and want to shorten your ROM. I see no purpose for it whatsoever from a BBing perspective.

I actually agree with this unless maybe if you do it as a hamstring/glute movement.

its more comfortable. the ROM decrease isnt that substantial either.[/quote]

Well, when I switched to sumo, I at first didn’t really use a very wide stance… Then I watched some PL vids and now I basically have my toes at the plates, is pretty funny as I slow my negative down so much just so I don’t end up hitting my feet on accident.
Still, my ROM with that setup… I start pulling, the thing comes off the floor and then I’m like “what, that’s it? I locked out already?”.

It stills works well for my hams, better than any other exercise… I’m not a believer in full/long ROM at all.

[quote]josh86 wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
Josh- What about dumbells and those iso-lateral hammerstrength machines? Can you do those without issues?

Everyone talking about deadlifts hurting their backs: your form sucks and your core is weak. Get your abs and low back stronger and make sure you don’t have any pelvic tilt going on (ie: tight hamstrings) and you will be fine.

Yep those are currently my main choices for chest. I do DB flat, incline, HS incline, and just starte smith low incline[/quote]

How’s your shoulder feel when you’re doing those?
Any of the issues I was guessing at in my other post?

Anyway… Do contact Modok and BushidoBB

[quote]namor wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
Son of a bitch my right pec is acting up again, really pissing me off!!! Damn tendons just need to keep up for fucks sake.

Anyways, chest tri’s today.

bench: 425 x2.75 This really pissed me off, I just could not for the life of me lock out the 3rd rep lol
Incline: 375x2 5 lb PR for same # of reps

I think I’m just going to stick a tennis ball or something in my armpit and roll around on it hah, I have no idea how to make this heal.

Hey Waylander, is your chest work all low reps or are you doing higher reps at a decent weight before you get to the maxes your posting?[/quote]

I’m sticking with 425 until I can get it for 6-8 reps, then I’ll move up again. For incline though my main goal is a 405 max so I’ll stick with those lower reps until I can get 405 and then work up to higher reps from there.

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
josh86 wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
Why do people pull sumo anyways? The only reason I can think to do it is if you are a PLer and want to shorten your ROM. I see no purpose for it whatsoever from a BBing perspective.

I actually agree with this unless maybe if you do it as a hamstring/glute movement.

its more comfortable. the ROM decrease isnt that substantial either.

Well, when I switched to sumo, I at first didn’t really use a very wide stance… Then I watched some PL vids and now I basically have my toes at the plates, is pretty funny as I slow my negative down so much just so I don’t end up hitting my feet on accident.
Still, my ROM with that setup… I start pulling, the thing comes off the floor and then I’m like “what, that’s it? I locked out already?”.

It stills works well for my hams, better than any other exercise… I’m not a believer in full/long ROM at all.

[/quote]

yeah i have long legs and i dont even touch the plates. personally more than the leg placement i just like bringing my grip in closer. feels much better although on rackpulls im starting to really widen the grip.

[quote]WS4JB wrote:
yvanehtnioj wrote:
Waylander- Have you thought of competing in powerlifting or strongman? I think you would do very well.

We talked about this a while back, while he is beastly, he doesn’t/can’t squat or dead that often without some pain. Though when he does he puts of sick numbers.

In the end, he just isn’t “functional” enough for it :slight_smile:
[/quote]

hahaha pretty much this. I do have some hope there. There was that article the other day about core stability, the author mentioned that if you pitch forward when squatting it’s a core strength issue. This is usually what ends up hurting my back and I never work abs so perhaps if I work on that I can get back to squatting, we shall see.

I actually enjoy doing deadlifts, my lower backs been feeling dandy and I’ve been doing them occasionally without a belt and felt fine but at the moment I just don’t know how to fit them into my routine. Usually my legs are still all fucked up when back day comes.

JB: Do DC style calves damnit! It works like magic. Alternate EOD between a soleus and gastroc exercise and they will grow, I swear.

Josh: It’s not really that noticeable man, this may be drastic…but, is it possible to have the doctors break it again and correct it?

Here I was, all worried that I wouldn’t be able to train while at sea. There is a pretty good multi-station with chest-press, row, pulldown, leg ext and leg curls, and various cables. Pretty decent stack too, I got 9 reps on the flat chest press on my top set.

There is a pair of adjustable Bowflex dumbbells that goes from 1 to 21kg. I tried them for neutral grip floor press, but the weight is a little to light. Still, I have pressdowns and extensions.

Not much for legs, but I should at least be able to maintain.

Just did chest, bis and tris, got a huge arm pump. I’m a happy camper :slight_smile:

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
josh86 wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
Why do people pull sumo anyways? The only reason I can think to do it is if you are a PLer and want to shorten your ROM. I see no purpose for it whatsoever from a BBing perspective.

I actually agree with this unless maybe if you do it as a hamstring/glute movement.

its more comfortable. the ROM decrease isnt that substantial either.

Well, when I switched to sumo, I at first didn’t really use a very wide stance… Then I watched some PL vids and now I basically have my toes at the plates, is pretty funny as I slow my negative down so much just so I don’t end up hitting my feet on accident.
Still, my ROM with that setup… I start pulling, the thing comes off the floor and then I’m like “what, that’s it? I locked out already?”.

It stills works well for my hams, better than any other exercise… I’m not a believer in full/long ROM at all.

[/quote]

pfft weirdo’s :slight_smile:

You think that works better than GHR and SLDL?

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
josh86 wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
Josh- What about dumbells and those iso-lateral hammerstrength machines? Can you do those without issues?

Everyone talking about deadlifts hurting their backs: your form sucks and your core is weak. Get your abs and low back stronger and make sure you don’t have any pelvic tilt going on (ie: tight hamstrings) and you will be fine.

Yep those are currently my main choices for chest. I do DB flat, incline, HS incline, and just starte smith low incline

How’s your shoulder feel when you’re doing those?
Any of the issues I was guessing at in my other post?

Anyway… Do contact Modok and BushidoBB
[/quote]

you were correct. Left shoulder is pulled forward a bit…I don’t get pain but it is more difficult to keep that one pulled back on the bench. I’ve been trying to cut out more of the top ROM recently to help. The shoulder being pulled forward also makes my left delt/arm look much less pleasing than my right side froM the side view.

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
WS4JB wrote:
yvanehtnioj wrote:
Waylander- Have you thought of competing in powerlifting or strongman? I think you would do very well.

We talked about this a while back, while he is beastly, he doesn’t/can’t squat or dead that often without some pain. Though when he does he puts of sick numbers.

In the end, he just isn’t “functional” enough for it :slight_smile:

hahaha pretty much this. I do have some hope there. There was that article the other day about core stability, the author mentioned that if you pitch forward when squatting it’s a core strength issue. This is usually what ends up hurting my back and I never work abs so perhaps if I work on that I can get back to squatting, we shall see.

I actually enjoy doing deadlifts, my lower backs been feeling dandy and I’ve been doing them occasionally without a belt and felt fine but at the moment I just don’t know how to fit them into my routine. Usually my legs are still all fucked up when back day comes.

JB: Do DC style calves damnit! It works like magic. Alternate EOD between a soleus and gastroc exercise and they will grow, I swear.

Josh: It’s not really that noticeable man, this may be drastic…but, is it possible to have the doctors break it again and correct it?

[/quote]

Maybe you could try doing deadlifts on leg day or something. Would that fit in? That’s what I do, but I really don’t think I’m in the position to give you any advice about training. I have the same problem squatting too. I lean forward way too much and have to good morning the weight up. GOnna read that article right now.

[quote]yvanehtnioj wrote:
Maybe you could try doing deadlifts on leg day or something. Would that fit in? That’s what I do, but I really don’t think I’m in the position to give you any advice about training. I have the same problem squatting too. I lean forward way too much and have to good morning the weight up. GOnna read that article right now.
[/quote]

Well see my split looks like this.

M: chest/tris/calves
T: back/bi’s
W: Quads/calves
TH: chest/tri
F: back/bi/calves
Sat: hams
Sun: off

So see I can’t really find a home for DL. If I do DL on my quad day my back is already fried from the day before. But usually the problem is my hamstrings are insanely sore for up to 6-7 days after I train them, which makes DLing next to impossible, or I would have room for it on tuesday.

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
yvanehtnioj wrote:
Maybe you could try doing deadlifts on leg day or something. Would that fit in? That’s what I do, but I really don’t think I’m in the position to give you any advice about training. I have the same problem squatting too. I lean forward way too much and have to good morning the weight up. GOnna read that article right now.

Well see my split looks like this.

M: chest/tris/calves
T: back/bi’s
W: Quads/calves
TH: chest/tri
F: back/bi/calves
Sat: hams
Sun: off

So see I can’t really find a home for DL. If I do DL on my quad day my back is already fried from the day before. But usually the problem is my hamstrings are insanely sore for up to 6-7 days after I train them, which makes DLing next to impossible, or I would have room for it on tuesday.
[/quote]

how much shit do you do for hamstrings to give them their own day? i do like 2 exercises and call it a day.

if i had my own hamstring day i’d be out of the gym in 20 minutes.

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
yvanehtnioj wrote:
Maybe you could try doing deadlifts on leg day or something. Would that fit in? That’s what I do, but I really don’t think I’m in the position to give you any advice about training. I have the same problem squatting too. I lean forward way too much and have to good morning the weight up. GOnna read that article right now.

Well see my split looks like this.

M: chest/tris/calves
T: back/bi’s
W: Quads/calves
TH: chest/tri
F: back/bi/calves
Sat: hams
Sun: off

So see I can’t really find a home for DL. If I do DL on my quad day my back is already fried from the day before. But usually the problem is my hamstrings are insanely sore for up to 6-7 days after I train them, which makes DLing next to impossible, or I would have room for it on tuesday.
[/quote]

you could do light/heavy days and group it so that one week your light day is before deadlifts or after, or both. and then do the opposite the next week.

if you want to make your muscles less sore, train them more often. my quads used to be sore 6 days at a time, then i started training them twice a week, now its more like 2-3 days and then by the time they arent sore im hitting them again…and if they’re still sore BFD i still train them.