5 Way Split

I just want to make sure I’m not doing anything dumb.

Day1-Chest
Day2-Arms
Day3-Off
Day4-Legs
Day5-Shoulders
Day6-Back
Day7-Off

I been doing this and seeing good progress but I wasn’t doing direct arm work, so now I’m giving arms their own day.

And can you guys post your tricep workout? just so I get an idea of what exercises to do.

Thanks.

Triceps workout for bodybuilding.

Close-grip bench presses
Lying triceps extensions
Tricep pressdown

I don’t advise working arms after a chest day being that you’re training you’re indirectly training your tris when you train chest the day before.

You might do well with:

Day 1: Chest
Day 2: Back
Day 3: Shoulders
Day 4: Off
Day 5: Legs
Day 6: Arms
Day 7: Off

I agree with brick, when doing this type of routine, doing tris the day after chest isn’t such a grand idea.

(I’ve trained them the day after shoulders though, but then again, I only tend to use one overhead pressing exercise per shoulder day on this type of split).

Do you have any particular weaknesses? If so, won’t hurt to pick one bodypart or so and train it twice a week.

My triceps sessions back when I did this type of stuff (note: Elbow sleeves! Neoprene ones like Tommy Konos work fine, PL-style sleeves are too much of a bother to wear throughout the whole workout… You just want to keep the elbows warm and “lubricated”):

1-Big Press (always PL setup, CGP elbows tucked all the way / CGP in the smith with slightly flared elbows pressing towards feet as well as up / SWRGB / CGP off pins set some inches above the chest / Board CGP / neutral grip DB presses, V-Squat/Power-squat push presses work well for both tris and delts / HS machine dips with pronated grip handles)

2-Some relatively elbow friendly extension mostly to give the long head some love (the lying ones are all done with bar behind the head and upper arms stopping at an incline rather than right above your chest) or Pullover+extension hybrid (PJR Pullover+extensions with DB or EZ bar, Dead Stop Extensions with EZ Bar off floor or bench / Lying DB extensions with arms at an incline or “rolling” extensions / Scott Extensions i.e. bent forward at the hip joints facing away from cable stack and doing a pullover-extension standing or kneeling / In the regular non-wide HS incline machine: JM Presses)

3-Ok, I often skipped the third exercise… Pushdowns don’t do anything for me, though I sometimes did them light for high reps just to get some blood in… Personally I’d train the tris twice a week with 2 main exercises per session if they’re a weak point and you’re using regular bb style training ala bodybuilding bible.

to brick:
if the OP is going to hitting arms just by themselves on a day then would it be benefical to include more compound movements that hit the triceps more ei maybe 1 more pressing movment in addition to the close grip bench, like maybe dips? i also take it that the OP will probably be doing 3-4 sets of the close grip bench?

(not brick, but since I’ve used practically the same system for many years…:

If you only train them directly once a week, then you could add dips to your chest workout, but you want to consider your shoulder health etc too.

Most guys lack sweep in the tris, so imo it’d be smarter to add some pullover-extensions (with retracted shoulder blades) at the end of chest day, rather than yet another pressing exercise.

You do pressing for the chest (2 presses on average, or three if you feel the need for some reason, but I wouldn’t do it as a natty), delts (usually one, but some go with two) and 1 for the tris on arm day… Those presses all more or less emphasize the lateral and medial head of the tris.
The only presses really doing something for the long head are smith presses where you push towards your feet as well as up and maybe, to some degree, JM presses…

So that’s why I’d personally not add too much pressing. It’s basically overkill and affects your shoulder recovery as well, without really helping you achieve that bodybuilder look.

As for the 3-4 sets… What do you mean? Everything is ramped up to 1-2 all out sets usually…
How many sets you need to get there depends on the persons strength levels and style of ramping.

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
(not brick, but since I’ve used practically the same system for many years…:

If you only train them directly once a week, then you could add dips to your chest workout, but you want to consider your shoulder health etc too.

Most guys lack sweep in the tris, so imo it’d be smarter to add some pullover-extensions (with retracted shoulder blades) at the end of chest day, rather than yet another pressing exercise.

You do pressing for the chest (2 presses on average, or three if you feel the need for some reason, but I wouldn’t do it as a natty), delts (usually one, but some go with two) and 1 for the tris on arm day… Those presses all more or less emphasize the lateral and medial head of the tris.
The only presses really doing something for the long head are smith presses where you push towards your feet as well as up and maybe, to some degree, JM presses…

So that’s why I’d personally not add too much pressing. It’s basically overkill and affects your shoulder recovery as well, without really helping you achieve that bodybuilder look.

As for the 3-4 sets… What do you mean? Everything is ramped up to 1-2 all out sets usually…
How many sets you need to get there depends on the persons strength levels and style of ramping.
[/quote]

thanks, and as for the 3-4 sets, thats was a guess as to how many sets the OP was doing for cose grip bench, as at least thats what he would be doing

[quote]young n wrote:
to brick:
if the OP is going to hitting arms just by themselves on a day then would it be benefical to include more compound movements that hit the triceps more ei maybe 1 more pressing movment in addition to the close grip bench, like maybe dips? i also take it that the OP will probably be doing 3-4 sets of the close grip bench?[/quote]

As I’ve written ad nauseum, most bodybuilders do 3 to 4 sets of 6 to 12 reps per exercise with the first 2 to 3 sets being ramped up and the last 1 to 2 being all-out blast sets. The exception to this is the first exercise of the first muscle being trained in a session. Please refer to my Bodybuilding Bible thread.

Let’s say you train chest and biceps on Monday. The first exercise for chest might warrant more than 3 ramp-up sets.

Say you use 225 for incline press, your first chest exercise. It might look like this…

95
125
155
185
205
225

Then you move onto flat bench press with 90s. You don’t need many ramp-up sets at this point.

70s
80s
90s

See how it goes?

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]young n wrote:
to brick:
if the OP is going to hitting arms just by themselves on a day then would it be benefical to include more compound movements that hit the triceps more ei maybe 1 more pressing movment in addition to the close grip bench, like maybe dips? i also take it that the OP will probably be doing 3-4 sets of the close grip bench?[/quote]

As I’ve written ad nauseum, most bodybuilders do 3 to 4 sets of 6 to 12 reps per exercise with the first 2 to 3 sets being ramped up and the last 1 to 2 being all-out blast sets. The exception to this is the first exercise of the first muscle being trained in a session. Please refer to my Bodybuilding Bible thread.

Let’s say you train chest and biceps on Monday. The first exercise for chest might warrant more than 3 ramp-up sets.

Say you use 225 for incline press, your first chest exercise. It might look like this…

95
125
155
185
205
225

Then you move onto flat bench press with 90s. You don’t need many ramp-up sets at this point.

70s
80s
90s

See how it goes? [/quote]

i guess my question came off wrong, i just wondering if the OP should also be adding dips in addition to what you prescribed to him, but i guess 1 compound movment and 2 isolation excerises is enough, where as i was asking if it would be more benefical if the OP should instead do 2 compound and 1-2 isolation movements and yes i do know about ramping up with sets, anyways thanks for the reply

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]young n wrote:
to brick:
if the OP is going to hitting arms just by themselves on a day then would it be benefical to include more compound movements that hit the triceps more ei maybe 1 more pressing movment in addition to the close grip bench, like maybe dips? i also take it that the OP will probably be doing 3-4 sets of the close grip bench?[/quote]

As I’ve written ad nauseum, most bodybuilders do 3 to 4 sets of 6 to 12 reps per exercise with the first 2 to 3 sets being ramped up and the last 1 to 2 being all-out blast sets. The exception to this is the first exercise of the first muscle being trained in a session. Please refer to my Bodybuilding Bible thread.

Let’s say you train chest and biceps on Monday. The first exercise for chest might warrant more than 3 ramp-up sets.

Say you use 225 for incline press, your first chest exercise. It might look like this…

95
125
155
185
205
225

[/quote]

say the OP can use the close grip bench in the ramp up set given above

[quote]
Then you move onto flat bench press with 90s. You don’t need many ramp-up sets at this point.

70s
80s
90s

See how it goes? [/quote]

and here the OP can use the dips? and then later on finish with lying tricep extenions and tricep pressdowns,

would that to much stress on the chest and not enough recovery in time for the next chest training session?

[quote]young n wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]young n wrote:
to brick:
if the OP is going to hitting arms just by themselves on a day then would it be benefical to include more compound movements that hit the triceps more ei maybe 1 more pressing movment in addition to the close grip bench, like maybe dips? i also take it that the OP will probably be doing 3-4 sets of the close grip bench?[/quote]

As I’ve written ad nauseum, most bodybuilders do 3 to 4 sets of 6 to 12 reps per exercise with the first 2 to 3 sets being ramped up and the last 1 to 2 being all-out blast sets. The exception to this is the first exercise of the first muscle being trained in a session. Please refer to my Bodybuilding Bible thread.

Let’s say you train chest and biceps on Monday. The first exercise for chest might warrant more than 3 ramp-up sets.

Say you use 225 for incline press, your first chest exercise. It might look like this…

95
125
155
185
205
225

Then you move onto flat bench press with 90s. You don’t need many ramp-up sets at this point.

70s
80s
90s

See how it goes? [/quote]

i guess my question came off wrong, i just wondering if the OP should also be adding dips in addition to what you prescribed to him, but i guess 1 compound movment and 2 isolation excerises is enough, where as i was asking if it would be more benefical if the OP should instead do 2 compound and 1-2 isolation movements and yes i do know about ramping up with sets, anyways thanks for the reply
[/quote]

I am not speaking for Brick when I say this but I think it’s important to keep in mind that it is much more beneficial for EVERY SINGLE PERSON to experiment with a few different thing (reasonable things) instead of or in addition to spending time trying to work out specifics ove the internet. If you choose smart things to ‘experiment’ with you really wont hold yourself back much.

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
I agree with brick, when doing this type of routine, doing tris the day after chest isn’t such a grand idea.

(I’ve trained them the day after shoulders though, but then again, I only tend to use one overhead pressing exercise per shoulder day on this type of split).

Do you have any particular weaknesses? If so, won’t hurt to pick one bodypart or so and train it twice a week.

My triceps sessions back when I did this type of stuff (note: Elbow sleeves! Neoprene ones like Tommy Konos work fine, PL-style sleeves are too much of a bother to wear throughout the whole workout… You just want to keep the elbows warm and “lubricated”):

1-Big Press (always PL setup, CGP elbows tucked all the way / CGP in the smith with slightly flared elbows pressing towards feet as well as up / SWRGB / CGP off pins set some inches above the chest / Board CGP / neutral grip DB presses, V-Squat/Power-squat push presses work well for both tris and delts / HS machine dips with pronated grip handles)

2-Some relatively elbow friendly extension mostly to give the long head some love (the lying ones are all done with bar behind the head and upper arms stopping at an incline rather than right above your chest) or Pullover+extension hybrid (PJR Pullover+extensions with DB or EZ bar, Dead Stop Extensions with EZ Bar off floor or bench / Lying DB extensions with arms at an incline or “rolling” extensions / Scott Extensions i.e. bent forward at the hip joints facing away from cable stack and doing a pullover-extension standing or kneeling / In the regular non-wide HS incline machine: JM Presses)

3-Ok, I often skipped the third exercise… Pushdowns don’t do anything for me, though I sometimes did them light for high reps just to get some blood in… Personally I’d train the tris twice a week with 2 main exercises per session if they’re a weak point and you’re using regular bb style training ala bodybuilding bible.

[/quote]

Don’t want to hijack so send me a PM if you want, but if you did Shoulders + Tris/Chest + Tris, is there a good pressing movement for Tris that won’t be hurt in performance too bad from fatigued shoulders (and also shoulder friendly/safe)? or should you just stick to doing pushdowns etc and then some kind of triceps extensions/whatever for the long head? (I’m currently doing the latter…)

[quote]young n wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]young n wrote:
to brick:
if the OP is going to hitting arms just by themselves on a day then would it be benefical to include more compound movements that hit the triceps more ei maybe 1 more pressing movment in addition to the close grip bench, like maybe dips? i also take it that the OP will probably be doing 3-4 sets of the close grip bench?[/quote]

As I’ve written ad nauseum, most bodybuilders do 3 to 4 sets of 6 to 12 reps per exercise with the first 2 to 3 sets being ramped up and the last 1 to 2 being all-out blast sets. The exception to this is the first exercise of the first muscle being trained in a session. Please refer to my Bodybuilding Bible thread.

Let’s say you train chest and biceps on Monday. The first exercise for chest might warrant more than 3 ramp-up sets.

Say you use 225 for incline press, your first chest exercise. It might look like this…

95
125
155
185
205
225

Then you move onto flat bench press with 90s. You don’t need many ramp-up sets at this point.

70s
80s
90s

See how it goes? [/quote]

i guess my question came off wrong, i just wondering if the OP should also be adding dips in addition to what you prescribed to him, but i guess 1 compound movment and 2 isolation excerises is enough, where as i was asking if it would be more benefical if the OP should instead do 2 compound and 1-2 isolation movements and yes i do know about ramping up with sets, anyways thanks for the reply
[/quote]

I didn’t prescribe anything to him. I showed him what I used to do for triceps workouts.

I don’t know if it would be more beneficial for him to do two compound exercises and one isolation exercise for triceps. He’d have to try that and see if it works for himself.

Triceps extensions might be considered an “isolation” exercise but they’re very demanding - far more demanding than isolation exercises like pushdowns and kickbacks.

I didn’t do two pressing exercises for triceps because I personally thought it would be overkill for me, especially considering that I trained shoulders before I trained triceps. Here’s the entire workout:

SHOULDERS
Overhead press
Dumbbell lateral raises
Machine or cable lateral raises
Shrugs
TRICEPS
Close grip bench press
Triceps extensions
Pushdowns

No way I’d be doing dips with that workout lineup; my shoulders were shot by then and at that point of a workout, there’s too much fatigue built up already.

[quote]babaganoosh wrote:

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
I agree with brick, when doing this type of routine, doing tris the day after chest isn’t such a grand idea.

(I’ve trained them the day after shoulders though, but then again, I only tend to use one overhead pressing exercise per shoulder day on this type of split).

Do you have any particular weaknesses? If so, won’t hurt to pick one bodypart or so and train it twice a week.

My triceps sessions back when I did this type of stuff (note: Elbow sleeves! Neoprene ones like Tommy Konos work fine, PL-style sleeves are too much of a bother to wear throughout the whole workout… You just want to keep the elbows warm and “lubricated”):

1-Big Press (always PL setup, CGP elbows tucked all the way / CGP in the smith with slightly flared elbows pressing towards feet as well as up / SWRGB / CGP off pins set some inches above the chest / Board CGP / neutral grip DB presses, V-Squat/Power-squat push presses work well for both tris and delts / HS machine dips with pronated grip handles)

2-Some relatively elbow friendly extension mostly to give the long head some love (the lying ones are all done with bar behind the head and upper arms stopping at an incline rather than right above your chest) or Pullover+extension hybrid (PJR Pullover+extensions with DB or EZ bar, Dead Stop Extensions with EZ Bar off floor or bench / Lying DB extensions with arms at an incline or “rolling” extensions / Scott Extensions i.e. bent forward at the hip joints facing away from cable stack and doing a pullover-extension standing or kneeling / In the regular non-wide HS incline machine: JM Presses)

3-Ok, I often skipped the third exercise… Pushdowns don’t do anything for me, though I sometimes did them light for high reps just to get some blood in… Personally I’d train the tris twice a week with 2 main exercises per session if they’re a weak point and you’re using regular bb style training ala bodybuilding bible.

[/quote]

Don’t want to hijack so send me a PM if you want, but if you did Shoulders + Tris/Chest + Tris, is there a good pressing movement for Tris that won’t be hurt in performance too bad from fatigued shoulders (and also shoulder friendly/safe)? or should you just stick to doing pushdowns etc and then some kind of triceps extensions/whatever for the long head? (I’m currently doing the latter…)[/quote]

See my last above. I don’t advise more than one pressing exercise for triceps for most people if they train triceps after chest or shoulders. But then again, I’m not other people! If you want to try it, do it. See how your body responds and how you feel. If you try it and during or after the workout your body tells you, “Damn, this is too much for me,” then it IS too much! If it’s not too much, then your body isn’t gonna tell you that.

And back to what I said in my “Bible” thread. There are general rules to this thing, but there are isn’t a right and wrong way to train. What benefits one, might send another to the friggin’ hospital. And in regards to this topic, I always think of Brian Siders. He trains the “wrong way” and is the one of the best powerlifters and strongmen of all time! We’re talking about 3 to 4 hour workouts, exercise selections and combos, and volumes and tonnages that would have us all calling out of work the next day! So keep this in mind when you set up a routine. If it works for you - IT’S GOOD!

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]young n wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]young n wrote:
to brick:
if the OP is going to hitting arms just by themselves on a day then would it be benefical to include more compound movements that hit the triceps more ei maybe 1 more pressing movment in addition to the close grip bench, like maybe dips? i also take it that the OP will probably be doing 3-4 sets of the close grip bench?[/quote]

As I’ve written ad nauseum, most bodybuilders do 3 to 4 sets of 6 to 12 reps per exercise with the first 2 to 3 sets being ramped up and the last 1 to 2 being all-out blast sets. The exception to this is the first exercise of the first muscle being trained in a session. Please refer to my Bodybuilding Bible thread.

Let’s say you train chest and biceps on Monday. The first exercise for chest might warrant more than 3 ramp-up sets.

Say you use 225 for incline press, your first chest exercise. It might look like this…

95
125
155
185
205
225

Then you move onto flat bench press with 90s. You don’t need many ramp-up sets at this point.

70s
80s
90s

See how it goes? [/quote]

i guess my question came off wrong, i just wondering if the OP should also be adding dips in addition to what you prescribed to him, but i guess 1 compound movment and 2 isolation excerises is enough, where as i was asking if it would be more benefical if the OP should instead do 2 compound and 1-2 isolation movements and yes i do know about ramping up with sets, anyways thanks for the reply
[/quote]

I didn’t prescribe anything to him. I showed him what I used to do for triceps workouts.

I don’t know if it would be more beneficial for him to do two compound exercises and one isolation exercise for triceps. He’d have to try that and see if it works for himself.

Triceps extensions might be considered an “isolation” exercise but they’re very demanding - far more demanding than isolation exercises like pushdowns and kickbacks.

I didn’t do two pressing exercises for triceps because I personally thought it would be overkill for me, especially considering that I trained shoulders before I trained triceps. Here’s the entire workout:

SHOULDERS
Overhead press
Dumbbell lateral raises
Machine or cable lateral raises
Shrugs
TRICEPS
Close grip bench press
Triceps extensions
Pushdowns

No way I’d be doing dips with that workout lineup; my shoulders were shot by then and at that point of a workout, there’s too much fatigue built up already. [/quote]

i was thinking along the same lines, but thanks anyway

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]babaganoosh wrote:

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
I agree with brick, when doing this type of routine, doing tris the day after chest isn’t such a grand idea.

(I’ve trained them the day after shoulders though, but then again, I only tend to use one overhead pressing exercise per shoulder day on this type of split).

Do you have any particular weaknesses? If so, won’t hurt to pick one bodypart or so and train it twice a week.

My triceps sessions back when I did this type of stuff (note: Elbow sleeves! Neoprene ones like Tommy Konos work fine, PL-style sleeves are too much of a bother to wear throughout the whole workout… You just want to keep the elbows warm and “lubricated”):

1-Big Press (always PL setup, CGP elbows tucked all the way / CGP in the smith with slightly flared elbows pressing towards feet as well as up / SWRGB / CGP off pins set some inches above the chest / Board CGP / neutral grip DB presses, V-Squat/Power-squat push presses work well for both tris and delts / HS machine dips with pronated grip handles)

2-Some relatively elbow friendly extension mostly to give the long head some love (the lying ones are all done with bar behind the head and upper arms stopping at an incline rather than right above your chest) or Pullover+extension hybrid (PJR Pullover+extensions with DB or EZ bar, Dead Stop Extensions with EZ Bar off floor or bench / Lying DB extensions with arms at an incline or “rolling” extensions / Scott Extensions i.e. bent forward at the hip joints facing away from cable stack and doing a pullover-extension standing or kneeling / In the regular non-wide HS incline machine: JM Presses)

3-Ok, I often skipped the third exercise… Pushdowns don’t do anything for me, though I sometimes did them light for high reps just to get some blood in… Personally I’d train the tris twice a week with 2 main exercises per session if they’re a weak point and you’re using regular bb style training ala bodybuilding bible.

[/quote]

Don’t want to hijack so send me a PM if you want, but if you did Shoulders + Tris/Chest + Tris, is there a good pressing movement for Tris that won’t be hurt in performance too bad from fatigued shoulders (and also shoulder friendly/safe)? or should you just stick to doing pushdowns etc and then some kind of triceps extensions/whatever for the long head? (I’m currently doing the latter…)[/quote]

See my last above. I don’t advise more than one pressing exercise for triceps for most people if they train triceps after chest or shoulders. But then again, I’m not other people! If you want to try it, do it. See how your body responds and how you feel. If you try it and during or after the workout your body tells you, “Damn, this is too much for me,” then it IS too much! If it’s not too much, then your body isn’t gonna tell you that.

And back to what I said in my “Bible” thread. There are general rules to this thing, but there are isn’t a right and wrong way to train. What benefits one, might send another to the friggin’ hospital. And in regards to this topic, I always think of Brian Siders. He trains the “wrong way” and is the one of the best powerlifters and strongmen of all time! We’re talking about 3 to 4 hour workouts, exercise selections and combos, and volumes and tonnages that would have us all calling out of work the next day! So keep this in mind when you set up a routine. If it works for you - IT’S GOOD! [/quote]

Yeah, of course. The reason I was asking is because after training chest or shoulders, if I do CGBP my poundage really suffers so I don’t feel it’s worth doing, but was looking for a good alternative pressing movement for tris where previous exercises (for chest/shoulders) wouldn’t hurt the lift too bad. DSEs are great, but for the medial + lateral heads I don’t feel doing some rope pulldowns is really enough.

Nevermind about my question. Just read a thread in T-Cell (the shoulder health one) where CC describes pressing movements for Tris in the Smith - pushing towards feet (and up of course) apparently removes some focus from the shoulders, so I will try that next week.

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
I agree with brick, when doing this type of routine, doing tris the day after chest isn’t such a grand idea.

(I’ve trained them the day after shoulders though, but then again, I only tend to use one overhead pressing exercise per shoulder day on this type of split).

Do you have any particular weaknesses? If so, won’t hurt to pick one bodypart or so and train it twice a week.

My triceps sessions back when I did this type of stuff (note: Elbow sleeves! Neoprene ones like Tommy Konos work fine, PL-style sleeves are too much of a bother to wear throughout the whole workout… You just want to keep the elbows warm and “lubricated”):

1-Big Press (always PL setup, CGP elbows tucked all the way / CGP in the smith with slightly flared elbows pressing towards feet as well as up / SWRGB / CGP off pins set some inches above the chest / Board CGP / neutral grip DB presses, V-Squat/Power-squat push presses work well for both tris and delts / HS machine dips with pronated grip handles)

2-Some relatively elbow friendly extension mostly to give the long head some love (the lying ones are all done with bar behind the head and upper arms stopping at an incline rather than right above your chest) or Pullover+extension hybrid (PJR Pullover+extensions with DB or EZ bar, Dead Stop Extensions with EZ Bar off floor or bench / Lying DB extensions with arms at an incline or “rolling” extensions / Scott Extensions i.e. bent forward at the hip joints facing away from cable stack and doing a pullover-extension standing or kneeling / In the regular non-wide HS incline machine: JM Presses)

3-Ok, I often skipped the third exercise… Pushdowns don’t do anything for me, though I sometimes did them light for high reps just to get some blood in… Personally I’d train the tris twice a week with 2 main exercises per session if they’re a weak point and you’re using regular bb style training ala bodybuilding bible.

[/quote]

C_C can you recommend some other elbow sleeves? I recently ordered a pair of TK elbow sleeves medium and what I got instead were knee sleeves - these things are huge! I am debating if I should order a pair of small or just get another brand of elbow sleeves altogether.

Gup, the TK elbow and knee sleeves are the same except for the label… Mine are, anyway. The knee sleeves obviously end up being looser than the elbow ones once you’ve been using them on your knees for a while, so these days I use my knee sleeves for both elbows and knees…

Get some small ones then, though if your arms are still under 15-15.5 (that’s roughly the point at which the mediums become viable I think, they’ll be loose but usable then) and you’re of average height, then you should be able to bring your arms up to 15+ in a matter of months anyway…

[quote]babaganoosh wrote:
Nevermind about my question. Just read a thread in T-Cell (the shoulder health one) where CC describes pressing movements for Tris in the Smith - pushing towards feet (and up of course) apparently removes some focus from the shoulders, so I will try that next week.[/quote]

The different way of pushing/sliding the bar up the smith rack makes a big difference, but you also need to set up properly with retracted shoulders etc. Get a full PL setup going, though you don’t need too much of an arch if you don’t want to.

What are DSE’s?