[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
Anyone that’s been around for a while knows this stuff comes and goes. We had “no pain no gain”, and then we had Westside is the best side and all the associated Russian stuff, and then we had the 5x5/abbreviated training resurgence, and now we’re back to no pain no gain.
You’re never going to “fix” it, all you can hope to do is steer the flow of the tide.[/quote]
Yup.
[quote]craze9 wrote:
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
Do you have any photos of your back development?
[/quote]
“I’ve been lifting for 11 years”
[/quote]
/thread
Edit: that was supposed to include the posted back picture. Oh well.
[quote]kingbeef323 wrote:
[quote]craze9 wrote:
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
Do you have any photos of your back development?
[/quote]
“I’ve been lifting for 11 years”
[/quote]
/thread
Edit: that was supposed to include the posted back picture. Oh well. [/quote]
You clearly know your shit regarding that particular avenue to muscular development, but you can’t assume that his 11 years were dedicated to the pursuit of physique.
[quote]TX iron wrote:
[quote]kingbeef323 wrote:
[quote]craze9 wrote:
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
Do you have any photos of your back development?
[/quote]
“I’ve been lifting for 11 years”
[/quote]
/thread
Edit: that was supposed to include the posted back picture. Oh well. [/quote]
You clearly know your shit regarding that particular avenue to muscular development, but you can’t assume that his 11 years were dedicated to the pursuit of physique.
[/quote]
Fair enough.
I will admit, I wouldn’t/don’t do/recommend 2g per pound of bodyweight of protein anymore… 1.25-1.5g per pound seems to be plenty for a relatively lean individual eating enough calories to grow.
That all being said, in the end it all just boils down to…
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
Anyone that’s been around for a while knows this stuff comes and goes. We had “no pain no gain”, and then we had Westside is the best side and all the associated Russian stuff, and then we had the 5x5/abbreviated training resurgence, and now we’re back to no pain no gain.
You’re never going to “fix” it, all you can hope to do is steer the flow of the tide.[/quote]
It feels like, as with everything, the pendulum swings one way then the other. It may have been true that “back in the day”, everyone wanted to look like a bodybuilder but no one wanted to lift no heavy assed weights. At the minute it seems absolutely the reverse is true, everyone will admit to wanting a 1500lb total, but no-one will admit to wanting to look like a bodybuilder, and the training advice reflects this. I’m sure the pendulum will swing back again, for better or for worse.
[quote]dagill2 wrote:
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
Anyone that’s been around for a while knows this stuff comes and goes. We had “no pain no gain”, and then we had Westside is the best side and all the associated Russian stuff, and then we had the 5x5/abbreviated training resurgence, and now we’re back to no pain no gain.
You’re never going to “fix” it, all you can hope to do is steer the flow of the tide.[/quote]
It feels like, as with everything, the pendulum swings one way then the other. It may have been true that “back in the day”, everyone wanted to look like a bodybuilder but no one wanted to lift no heavy assed weights. At the minute it seems absolutely the reverse is true, everyone will admit to wanting a 1500lb total, but no-one will admit to wanting to look like a bodybuilder, and the training advice reflects this. I’m sure the pendulum will swing back again, for better or for worse.[/quote]
That’s one of the reasons why people should know that both are important instead of arguing “this vs that”. People swing back and forth after hitting plateaus from focusing for too long on one aspect.
With beginners, a lot of people assume that the compound lifts will develop all muscle groups but then you see some beginners struggling to make progress on programs with only a few compound lifts. It’s because they have so many muscles groups that are so weak that they can’t be recruited and this is where isolation work would be beneficial. When this works, people will generalize and say a body building routine is better for beginners. But really all these situations need to be evaluated based on the individual.
Don’t know how I got to reading this thread, but just wasted 30 minutes at the office.
All in all this thread was pretty awesome lol.