So applying a concept and demonstrating it while deliberately limiting things such as counter strikes (which would reduce the 45 seconds into probably 3 seconds) so to create an exhibition, instantly makes it irrelevant and useless.
Guys, stop doing footwork, that’s not real.
Guys, stop using rubber knives for knife fighting drills, that’s not real.
Guys, stop doing drills with head guards and gloves, that’s not real.
LOL, whatever you say dude.
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The video is entitled “how to win a street fight” then shows something that doesn’t represent a street fight. Thats my point - the fact you can’t see that is surprising. Had he done a 3s demonstration vs two opponents in a crowded bar against two attackers I’d be saying “nice video showing effective use of slipping”.
This dude just seems to come on hard about how whatever is being shown will NEVER apply, and well, that’s not true, because while it might not ALWAYS apply, it can SOMETIMES apply. I have absolutely been in and seen that sort of situation where a fight legitimately starts with guys doing the monkey dance, and one dude swings and either hits or misses. It’s not always a shotgun out of the shadows situation.
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My problem is with the video, not so much slipping - yes it can work, perosnally I think it shouldn’t be your go to defence, but use it as a last resort. The video is suggesting “this is how you win fights” and then showed it being applied in an unrealitic manner. My original post suggested what could be fixed in the video.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
And by the same token, there’s a lot of “reality martial arts” out there - dare I say most of them - taught by incompetent pussies who have never been in a fight in their lives. So throwing that out there as an example of how one SHOULD fight (not that you are, the other guy was) is kind of laughable because unless we know your instructor and what he’s teaching, you could be talking about some COMMMANDO KRAV MAGA!!!111 class that’s taught at LA Fitness.
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I’m not talking COMMMANDO KRAV MAGA!!! I’m talking about what law enforcement/military use - stuff that has to be trained in 1 maybe 2 hours but leads to things like 40% less head injuries over a two year period (an independent study). I’m not pissing on boxing - but no ones trying to teach cops how to slip.
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Even here in the UK, cops are expected to be armed at all times. Same for military. Not saying they can’t fight, not saying they don’t get taught some stuff. The reality is though, the majority of their training focuses around effective restraint, or tactical, judicious deployment of superior force
So applying a concept and demonstrating it while deliberately limiting things such as counter strikes (which would reduce the 45 seconds into probably 3 seconds) so to create an exhibition, instantly makes it irrelevant and useless.
Guys, stop doing footwork, that’s not real.
Guys, stop using rubber knives for knife fighting drills, that’s not real.
Guys, stop doing drills with head guards and gloves, that’s not real.
LOL, whatever you say dude.
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The video is entitled “how to win a street fight” then shows something that doesn’t represent a street fight. Thats my point - the fact you can’t see that is surprising. Had he done a 3s demonstration vs two opponents in a crowded bar against two attackers I’d be saying “nice video showing effective use of slipping”. [/quote]
That’s your point?
Wow. So you’re upset because the title of the video is slightly misleading. You seem to be the only person with a problem with that - everyone else seems to be talking about the merits of boxing movement in a real fight, and not how accurately the video can represent the contrived idea that you have of a real conflict.
…unless you’re flat out denying that this guy in the video would be equally capable of utilising boxing movement in these set conditions you’re laying out, which in that case, I’d love to hear about your credentials and experience.
And for a final time: Nothing represents a street fight other than a street fight.
My problem isn’t the fact that they’re sports, I don’t dispute that. It’s the argument that “so and so is a sport, therefore it’s not effective outside of the sport”. Obviously that doesn’t say that all sports are useful (I don’t think snooker will help much in a fight) but some sports involve many elements that are contained in a brawl. [/quote]
I agree with you - some elements of boxing are useful and if I had to train one “sport” for the street it would be boxing. I’m saying the video didn’t highlight the useful bits and that 45s of slipping punches doesn’t have much relevance to a fight that occurs in different conditions.
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So applying a concept and demonstrating it while deliberately limiting things such as counter strikes (which would reduce the 45 seconds into probably 3 seconds) so to create an exhibition, instantly makes it irrelevant and useless.
Guys, stop doing footwork, that’s not real.
Guys, stop using rubber knives for knife fighting drills, that’s not real.
Guys, stop doing drills with head guards and gloves, that’s not real.
LOL, whatever you say dude.
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Im in agreement with you. You cant decide what variables come into play in a street fight, all you can do is prepare yourself as best you can. I bet you the guy in this video is better prepared than anyone else in this thread.
Wow. So you’re upset because the title of the video is slightly misleading. [/quote]
lol, the OP asked for opinions, I gave one. Then alot of people got butt hurt becuase I pointed out the flaws. Its not “slightly” misleading, its totally unrealistic & could potentially get some seriously hurt if they bought into the “let me slip all these punches, make my opponent tired and then I win easily” Thats what the guys says in the video description.
[quote]WP wrote:
You seem to be the only person with a problem with that
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You’re point being I can only express my opinion if I agree with everyone else? Thats a pretty pointless forum then
[quote]WP wrote:
everyone else seems to be talking about the merits of boxing movement in a real fight, and not how accurately the video can represent the contrived idea that you have of a real conflict.
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Actually I’m talking about ACTUAL street fights, there is nothing contrieved about it. Look on youtube and show me a video where someone gets attacked (not an arranged fight between two men) & succefully tires out their opponent by slipping for 45s (again thats the VIDEO talking - not my words)
[quote]WP wrote:
…unless you’re flat out denying that this guy in the video would be equally capable of utilising boxing movement in these set conditions you’re laying out, which in that case, I’d love to hear about your credentials and experience.
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No I said reshoot the video with the conditions fixed, what would I know? Let the guy demonstrate in real conditions, if he can do that - congratualtions he’s just shown how effective slipping is in a fight.
[quote]WP wrote:
And for a final time: Nothing represents a street fight other than a street fight.[/quote]
Yes, and nothing represents war like war and yet the military do a good job of training for it by being as realistic AS POSSIBLE - not by doing 18th century re-enactment.
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
Im in agreement with you. You cant decide what variables come into play in a street fight, all you can do is prepare yourself as best you can. I bet you the guy in this video is better prepared than anyone else in this thread.
Haterz gonna hate.[/quote]
I’d take that bet. Pretty sure there are better pure boxers in this thread, and I’d be willing to bet that I’m a hell of a lot more well rounded than him as a fighter and equally as good (if not better) of a striker.
Which scenario concerns you more?
a) A guy that you couldn’t seem to actually hit flush
b) The one that seemingly takes every strike like you were using a feather pillow
(had this as a recurring nightmare for years many years ago)
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
Im in agreement with you. You cant decide what variables come into play in a street fight, all you can do is prepare yourself as best you can. I bet you the guy in this video is better prepared than anyone else in this thread.
Haterz gonna hate.[/quote]
I’d take that bet. Pretty sure there are better pure boxers in this thread, and I’d be willing to bet that I’m a hell of a lot more well rounded than him as a fighter and equally as good (if not better) of a striker.[/quote]
You’re not focusing on the point of my statement.
And FTR i havent watched any of this guys other videos, and i know almost nothing of anyone posting in this thread as far as martial arts accolades go.
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
Im in agreement with you. You cant decide what variables come into play in a street fight, all you can do is prepare yourself as best you can. I bet you the guy in this video is better prepared than anyone else in this thread.
Haterz gonna hate.[/quote]
I’d take that bet. Pretty sure there are better pure boxers in this thread, and I’d be willing to bet that I’m a hell of a lot more well rounded than him as a fighter and equally as good (if not better) of a striker.[/quote]
You’re not focusing on the point of my statement.
And FTR i havent watched any of this guys other videos, and i know almost nothing of anyone posting in this thread as far as martial arts accolades go. [/quote]
Hmmm, guess I should have added a to the end of that statement (subtly can be tough to covey through text I guess).
Yes, I understand the greater point you were trying to get across and agree with it. My post was meant to be a tongue in cheek response to the idea that the guy who made the video was better prepared for real world violence than anyone else in this thread, nothing more. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.
I don’t think the man in the video is saying not to hit your opponent, and just dodge the punches until they tire out and pass out…
They’re saying you can learn the ability to dodge punches…SIMPLE. Obviously in a real fight you would attempt to do just that, while obviously counter-striking as well…gheeze!
Wow. So you’re upset because the title of the video is slightly misleading. [/quote]
lol, the OP asked for opinions, I gave one. Then alot of people got butt hurt becuase I pointed out the flaws. Its not “slightly” misleading, its totally unrealistic & could potentially get some seriously hurt if they bought into the “let me slip all these punches, make my opponent tired and then I win easily” Thats what the guys says in the video description.
[quote]WP wrote:
You seem to be the only person with a problem with that
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You’re point being I can only express my opinion if I agree with everyone else? Thats a pretty pointless forum then
[quote]WP wrote:
everyone else seems to be talking about the merits of boxing movement in a real fight, and not how accurately the video can represent the contrived idea that you have of a real conflict.
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Actually I’m talking about ACTUAL street fights, there is nothing contrieved about it. Look on youtube and show me a video where someone gets attacked (not an arranged fight between two men) & succefully tires out their opponent by slipping for 45s (again thats the VIDEO talking - not my words)
[quote]WP wrote:
…unless you’re flat out denying that this guy in the video would be equally capable of utilising boxing movement in these set conditions you’re laying out, which in that case, I’d love to hear about your credentials and experience.
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No I said reshoot the video with the conditions fixed, what would I know? Let the guy demonstrate in real conditions, if he can do that - congratualtions he’s just shown how effective slipping is in a fight.
[quote]WP wrote:
And for a final time: Nothing represents a street fight other than a street fight.[/quote]
Yes, and nothing represents war like war and yet the military do a good job of training for it by being as realistic AS POSSIBLE - not by doing 18th century re-enactment.
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You’re right, best to just not prepare at all. [/quote]
OMFG I didn’t say “don’t prepare” I said how can YOU prepare when you don’t know what YOU are preparing for?
I know what I’m training for, and I know what variables exist, hence I base my training around that. You said how can you knwo just train hard. Thats like a non-runner saying “who knows what a marathon is like… I’ll just train hard”
[quote]Ironfreak wrote:
Some people are so short-sighted its embarassing…
I don’t think the man in the video is saying not to hit your opponent, and just dodge the punches until they tire out and pass out…
They’re saying you can learn the ability to dodge punches…SIMPLE. Obviously in a real fight you would attempt to do just that, while obviously counter-striking as well…gheeze![/quote]
From the youtube channel:
You can learn how to win a street fight simply by learning how to move your head! If you make your opponent miss, you stay safe and he gets tired… then it becomes easy to win a street fight.
[quote]Ironfreak wrote:
Some people are so short-sighted its embarassing…
I don’t think the man in the video is saying not to hit your opponent, and just dodge the punches until they tire out and pass out…
They’re saying you can learn the ability to dodge punches…SIMPLE. Obviously in a real fight you would attempt to do just that, while obviously counter-striking as well…gheeze![/quote]
From the youtube channel:
You can learn how to win a street fight simply by learning how to move your head! If you make your opponent miss, you stay safe and he gets tired… then it becomes easy to win a street fight.
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I do this every time I box. Doesn’t mean I’m not punching back. I am trying to tire my opponent out because it does make it harder to fight. That’s why I’ll also punch forearms, shoulders, hips.
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
Im in agreement with you. You cant decide what variables come into play in a street fight, all you can do is prepare yourself as best you can. I bet you the guy in this video is better prepared than anyone else in this thread.
Haterz gonna hate.[/quote]
I’d take that bet. Pretty sure there are better pure boxers in this thread, and I’d be willing to bet that I’m a hell of a lot more well rounded than him as a fighter and equally as good (if not better) of a striker.[/quote]
You’re not focusing on the point of my statement.
And FTR i havent watched any of this guys other videos, and i know almost nothing of anyone posting in this thread as far as martial arts accolades go. [/quote]
Hmmm, guess I should have added a to the end of that statement (subtly can be tough to covey through text I guess).
Yes, I understand the greater point you were trying to get across and agree with it. My post was meant to be a tongue in cheek response to the idea that the guy who made the video was better prepared for real world violence than anyone else in this thread, nothing more. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.[/quote]
No problem. I didnt take offense to your post, i was just being frank.
[quote]Ironfreak wrote:
Some people are so short-sighted its embarassing…
I don’t think the man in the video is saying not to hit your opponent, and just dodge the punches until they tire out and pass out…
They’re saying you can learn the ability to dodge punches…SIMPLE. Obviously in a real fight you would attempt to do just that, while obviously counter-striking as well…gheeze![/quote]
I really hope for the sake of humanity that people in this thread didnt require this explanation LOL
to the end of that statement (subtly can be tough to covey through text I guess).