Boxing in 'The Street'

Training
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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Wholly untrue. Flinching is natural, but it rarely keeps you from getting hit [/quote]

If your hands are down correct. If your hands are up your wrong

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
It’s not nearly so much about timing as it is about seeing where the punch is coming from and moving out of the way. It ain’t magic. And 98 percent of RMAs are not going to teach it to the level that boxing does. [/quote]

Your right, RMA wont spend much time teaching a sporting technique when they are training for a non-sporting fight

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
This was a demonstration, nothing more, so I’m not sure what your hard-on with it is. By all means though, don’t move your head in a fight. Prove this dude wrong. Just remember it when you’re picking your teeth up off the ground after you wake up.[/quote]

No its not a demonstration of what happens in a fight, so I wont need to prove him wrong as I’ve never seen or been in a real fight where I get to choose who I fight, when I fight, get them to wear gloves, have a 45s time limit, nice open space to move in and my opponent will attack from outside punching distance with no weapons or second opponents to worry about.

The fact that boxers are getting a hard on once their sport is questioned is hilarous. Boxing is a great sport and I respect people who do it but please dont be so naive that the demonstration has any relevance for the street.

I see this discussion going nowhere unless people can seperate themselves from their sport

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[quote]Kev_PL1 wrote:

[quote]WP wrote:

I’m sorry but including takedowns knees, restricting the space, removing gloves and increasing the intensity of the attacker are things that aren’t massive game changers. [/quote]

Are you serious? Ok good luck with that

[quote]WP wrote:

Human instinct is to punch, if bobbing and weaving can provide the instinctive ability to avoid at least negate that form of attack then I’d say that it’s pretty damn useful. [/quote]

If its instinctive you dont need to train it by definition

[quote]WP wrote:

Anyone who as been in fights, been around fighters or has actual experience in the real world will attest to the usefulness of boxing movement. Only people who stick to “fighting theory” would think otherwise.

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The opposite: anyone who has been in fights, been around fighters or has actual experience in the real world will attest how little they actually had the chance to use sporting movements in a non sporting fight
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LOL, okay whatever you say dude.

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As someone whos never practiced solely boxing, that is damn impressive looking, not that any of those guys look like they know how to box.

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Interesting video. That guy moved really well and only got hit a few times by my count.

A couple of things…

One, those are 16 ounce gloves. Sure, you feel a little sting but it’s not a like a bare fist.
Second, he wasn’t punching back. He was stiff-arming a little bit but without throwing a punch and leaving yourself open for a counter you’re not engaging in a fight. I don’t know if that’s the whole purpose of this but…whatever. Takes two to tango.
Third, NOBODY threw a body shot. You never lead with a body shot because it leaves you wide open but if some dude ain’t throwing them back then by all means I’m going to throw a diving hook to his liver. Much harder to avoid than a head shot.

Anyway, that’s nothing like a street fight in my opinion. The puncher’s ain’t mad, or drunk…come on now! But still a pretty cool demonstration.

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[quote]WP wrote:

[quote]Kev_PL1 wrote:

[quote]Ranzo wrote:

I feel like you are over analyzing this whole thing. Not it is not a real streetfight at all. By watching the video I get the feel that they know this and set up a demonstration to show that just using head movement and evasive measures could save you lots of damage in a real fight. Im sure he put gloves on for safety reason as well as legal reasons. To me it shows just how effective it can be. Of course there are always What ifs and variables in any situation and a fighter will have to react to that. [/quote]

My point is that doesn’t represent a real fight; therefore drawing any conclusions as to the value of the technique is pointless. A demonstration should demonstrate reality, not a sport fighter showing a sporting technique in a sporting situation and then saying “here’s how to win a street fight”. They started in fighting stances, far apart and commenced at the sound of a “bell” - the complete opposite of what happens in reality.

From the youtube site:

“You can learn how to win a street fight simply by learning how to move your head! If you make your opponent miss, you stay safe and he gets tired… then it becomes easy to win a street fight.”

Yes every street fight gives you the oppotunity to bob and weave and dance round making your opponent look silly… just wait till they’re gasping for air and then bam! You get to win so easily!!!

Facepalm

Edit: Obviously not getting hit in the face is something to train for (as people have said above), my opinion is there are easier/simpler ways to do that with less risk involved and which are more likely to work under “street” conditions.[/quote]

Nothing on this planet represents a real street fight besides a real street fight. If you can’t appreciate the fact that the video is demonstrating the usefulness of boxing outside of a ring then you’re either a) stupid or b) have your RMA goggles set to high intensity.

How can anything on this planet “demonstrate reality”? Every training scenario and drill on this planet can’t “demonstrate reality” because a real fight is dynamic. Having the ability to dodge punches (irrespective of the fact that he did it for 45 seconds) is a valuable skill.

Not trying to knock on RMA practitioners but I find it ridiculous when boxing gets classed as a sport and is therefore cast away as ineffective in the street. 100m sprinting is also a sport, guess that wouldn’t work in the street because you can trip over something whilst running away…[/quote]

What you said about the usefulness of being able to dodge punches is most certainly true. That said, boxing (as in the Marquess of Queensbury rules) is a sport and so classifying it as such is correct. That is not the same as saying that skill sets like punching or dodging punches which are taught in the sport of boxing are ineffective because boxing is a sport (which would be incorrect). And yes, while sprinting is also a sport it would develop attributes that could be very useful in combat, as would Free Running/Parkour, Kendo, archery, knife/tomahawk throwing, paintball and a whole bunch of other sports, that doesn’t change the fact that they are all sports though.

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[quote]anothrjrzmike wrote:
Interesting video. That guy moved really well and only got hit a few times by my count.

A couple of things…

One, those are 16 ounce gloves. Sure, you feel a little sting but it’s not a like a bare fist.
Second, he wasn’t punching back. He was stiff-arming a little bit but without throwing a punch and leaving yourself open for a counter you’re not engaging in a fight. I don’t know if that’s the whole purpose of this but…whatever. Takes two to tango.
Third, NOBODY threw a body shot. You never lead with a body shot because it leaves you wide open but if some dude ain’t throwing them back then by all means I’m going to throw a diving hook to his liver. Much harder to avoid than a head shot.

Anyway, that’s nothing like a street fight in my opinion. The puncher’s ain’t mad, or drunk…come on now! But still a pretty cool demonstration. [/quote]

I would think 16 oz gloves are harder to dodge than a tiny fist.

Also, the goal was to try and hit him in the face, to demonstrate head movement. They werent supposed to throw body shots.

As a demonstration it was very cool. Not supposed to be viewed as anything more than what good head movement can do in a street fight against joe shmo.

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[quote]Kev_PL1 wrote:
The fact that boxers are getting a hard on once their sport is questioned is hilarous. Boxing is a great sport and I respect people who do it but please dont be so naive that the demonstration has any relevance for the street.
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Yet you seem to get quite hurt and offended every time someone mentions doing anything to train for possible street encounters other than flat out going for a walk in the very most unfriendly neightbour within a driving distance and hoping someone comes to pick a fight with you. There are plenty of things boxing lacks when you happen to run across someone who means you harm, but being able to knock someone on their ass while getting hit as little as possible is certainly not one of them wouldn’t you say?

I’d much rather take a toolbox of a pro boxer to a “streetfight” than some self educated keyboard ninja who can’t be bothered to train in any combat sports because it doesn’t prepare you for a real situation. Punching people and getting punched by people, even if under certain set of rules and wearing protective equipment, sure as fuck prepares you to a situation where someone might want to punch you in the face, even if this time around no one is going to stop him from kicking your balls up to your throat and then proceed to jumping on your unconcious head until your IQ number falls below 0.

Now of course you could go to da streetz and just stand outside a bar on saturday night around the closing time in your bad neighbourhood of a choice and wait for someone to pick a fight with you or hit you in the back of your head with a baseball bat, but that just seems kind of retarded wouldn’t you say? I’d be really interested on hearing how you suggest one should train to prepare themselves for possible REAL situation since doing anything sort of the real thing seems to be a waste of time to you.

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:

[quote]WP wrote:

[quote]Kev_PL1 wrote:

[quote]Ranzo wrote:

I feel like you are over analyzing this whole thing. Not it is not a real streetfight at all. By watching the video I get the feel that they know this and set up a demonstration to show that just using head movement and evasive measures could save you lots of damage in a real fight. Im sure he put gloves on for safety reason as well as legal reasons. To me it shows just how effective it can be. Of course there are always What ifs and variables in any situation and a fighter will have to react to that. [/quote]

My point is that doesn’t represent a real fight; therefore drawing any conclusions as to the value of the technique is pointless. A demonstration should demonstrate reality, not a sport fighter showing a sporting technique in a sporting situation and then saying “here’s how to win a street fight”. They started in fighting stances, far apart and commenced at the sound of a “bell” - the complete opposite of what happens in reality.

From the youtube site:

“You can learn how to win a street fight simply by learning how to move your head! If you make your opponent miss, you stay safe and he gets tired… then it becomes easy to win a street fight.”

Yes every street fight gives you the oppotunity to bob and weave and dance round making your opponent look silly… just wait till they’re gasping for air and then bam! You get to win so easily!!!

Facepalm

Edit: Obviously not getting hit in the face is something to train for (as people have said above), my opinion is there are easier/simpler ways to do that with less risk involved and which are more likely to work under “street” conditions.[/quote]

Nothing on this planet represents a real street fight besides a real street fight. If you can’t appreciate the fact that the video is demonstrating the usefulness of boxing outside of a ring then you’re either a) stupid or b) have your RMA goggles set to high intensity.

How can anything on this planet “demonstrate reality”? Every training scenario and drill on this planet can’t “demonstrate reality” because a real fight is dynamic. Having the ability to dodge punches (irrespective of the fact that he did it for 45 seconds) is a valuable skill.

Not trying to knock on RMA practitioners but I find it ridiculous when boxing gets classed as a sport and is therefore cast away as ineffective in the street. 100m sprinting is also a sport, guess that wouldn’t work in the street because you can trip over something whilst running away…[/quote]

What you said about the usefulness of being able to dodge punches is most certainly true. That said, boxing (as in the Marquess of Queensbury rules) is a sport and so classifying it as such is correct. That is not the same as saying that skill sets like punching or dodging punches which are taught in the sport of boxing are ineffective because boxing is a sport (which would be incorrect). And yes, while sprinting is also a sport it would develop attributes that could be very useful in combat, as would Free Running/Parkour, Kendo, archery, knife/tomahawk throwing, paintball and a whole bunch of other sports, that doesn’t change the fact that they are all sports though.

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My problem isn’t the fact that they’re sports, I don’t dispute that. It’s the argument that “so and so is a sport, therefore it’s not effective outside of the sport”. Obviously that doesn’t say that all sports are useful (I don’t think snooker will help much in a fight) but some sports involve many elements that are contained in a brawl.

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[quote]WP wrote:

[quote]Sentoguy wrote:

[quote]WP wrote:

[quote]Kev_PL1 wrote:

[quote]Ranzo wrote:

I feel like you are over analyzing this whole thing. Not it is not a real streetfight at all. By watching the video I get the feel that they know this and set up a demonstration to show that just using head movement and evasive measures could save you lots of damage in a real fight. Im sure he put gloves on for safety reason as well as legal reasons. To me it shows just how effective it can be. Of course there are always What ifs and variables in any situation and a fighter will have to react to that. [/quote]

My point is that doesn’t represent a real fight; therefore drawing any conclusions as to the value of the technique is pointless. A demonstration should demonstrate reality, not a sport fighter showing a sporting technique in a sporting situation and then saying “here’s how to win a street fight”. They started in fighting stances, far apart and commenced at the sound of a “bell” - the complete opposite of what happens in reality.

From the youtube site:

“You can learn how to win a street fight simply by learning how to move your head! If you make your opponent miss, you stay safe and he gets tired… then it becomes easy to win a street fight.”

Yes every street fight gives you the oppotunity to bob and weave and dance round making your opponent look silly… just wait till they’re gasping for air and then bam! You get to win so easily!!!

Facepalm

Edit: Obviously not getting hit in the face is something to train for (as people have said above), my opinion is there are easier/simpler ways to do that with less risk involved and which are more likely to work under “street” conditions.[/quote]

Nothing on this planet represents a real street fight besides a real street fight. If you can’t appreciate the fact that the video is demonstrating the usefulness of boxing outside of a ring then you’re either a) stupid or b) have your RMA goggles set to high intensity.

How can anything on this planet “demonstrate reality”? Every training scenario and drill on this planet can’t “demonstrate reality” because a real fight is dynamic. Having the ability to dodge punches (irrespective of the fact that he did it for 45 seconds) is a valuable skill.

Not trying to knock on RMA practitioners but I find it ridiculous when boxing gets classed as a sport and is therefore cast away as ineffective in the street. 100m sprinting is also a sport, guess that wouldn’t work in the street because you can trip over something whilst running away…[/quote]

What you said about the usefulness of being able to dodge punches is most certainly true. That said, boxing (as in the Marquess of Queensbury rules) is a sport and so classifying it as such is correct. That is not the same as saying that skill sets like punching or dodging punches which are taught in the sport of boxing are ineffective because boxing is a sport (which would be incorrect). And yes, while sprinting is also a sport it would develop attributes that could be very useful in combat, as would Free Running/Parkour, Kendo, archery, knife/tomahawk throwing, paintball and a whole bunch of other sports, that doesn’t change the fact that they are all sports though.

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My problem isn’t the fact that they’re sports, I don’t dispute that. It’s the argument that “so and so is a sport, therefore it’s not effective outside of the sport”. Obviously that doesn’t say that all sports are useful (I don’t think snooker will help much in a fight) but some sports involve many elements that are contained in a brawl. [/quote]

I would consider access to a snooker cue an even greater advantage than being a trained, but unarmed fighter. Just to be a dick.

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Made me think of this. lol

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[quote]WP wrote:

My problem isn’t the fact that they’re sports, I don’t dispute that. It’s the argument that “so and so is a sport, therefore it’s not effective outside of the sport”. Obviously that doesn’t say that all sports are useful (I don’t think snooker will help much in a fight) but some sports involve many elements that are contained in a brawl. [/quote]

I agree with you - some elements of boxing are useful and if I had to train one “sport” for the street it would be boxing. I’m saying the video didn’t highlight the useful bits and that 45s of slipping punches doesn’t have much relevance to a fight that occurs in different conditions.

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[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:

I would consider access to a snooker cue an even greater advantage than being a trained, but unarmed fighter. Just to be a dick. [/quote]

Totally agree - thats a truth most people forget

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Kev_PL1 wrote:
Flinching is a natural reflex that doesn’t need to be trained. Slipping is great if you’re timing is perfect - a split second to early or late and you get hit. Its easy to do 1-on-1 vs an opponent not trying to actually attack you with space to move.
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Wholly untrue. Flinching is natural, but it rarely keeps you from getting hit, and if your argument against learning to slip is that you can’t suck at it if you want to do it - well no shit.

It’s not nearly so much about timing as it is about seeing where the punch is coming from and moving out of the way. It ain’t magic. And 98 percent of RMAs are not going to teach it to the level that boxing does. They’re too busy adding “tools to their toolbox” (for you Sento :wink: )

This was a demonstration, nothing more, so I’m not sure what your hard-on with it is. By all means though, don’t move your head in a fight. Prove this dude wrong. Just remember it when you’re picking your teeth up off the ground after you wake up.[/quote]

First, you guys are somewhat talking past each other in regards to “flinching”.

Pretty sure that Kev is talking about the startle flinch reflex of bringing the hands/arms up in front of the face when one is surprised and threatened. This is a natural human reflex designed to protect the brain, eyes, and breathing function (the throat) from a sudden unexpected threat. If you ever look at photos or watch slow motion replays of a crowd at a baseball game when a bat is launched into the stands you’ll see that pretty much everyone is performing some variation of this reflex (having been completely untrained to do so). Another more combat appropriate demonstration of this is the fact that many victims of homicide by blade or firearms (when shot in the head from the front) have wounds to their hands (because they reflexively raise their hands to attempt to protect their head/neck).

Irish is right though that this reflex in and of itself will not necessarily prevent you from being punched, kicked, hit over the head with a beer bottle, etc…

That is why martial artists have developed methods of directing this reflexive action into effective defensive maneuvers. Tony Blauer’s Spear, Ricard Ryan’s Shield, Bruce Lee’s Fistic Law, and even boxing’s Front Cover/Shell are all examples of “flinch extension” techniques/tactics which to varying degrees make use of this reflex (boxing to the least degree as generally in boxing you know the other person is going to try to punch you so it is more difficult to be genuinely startled).

There is also a natural “flinch” that beginners sometimes do where they turn away and close their eyes. This is something that is not a desired reaction, does nothing positive in terms of defensive benefits, and has to be trained out of them.

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[quote]Fistiecuffs wrote:

Yet you seem to get quite hurt and offended every time someone mentions doing anything to train for possible street encounters other than flat out going for a walk in the very most unfriendly neightbour within a driving distance and hoping someone comes to pick a fight with you. [/quote]

What?

[quote]Fistiecuffs wrote:
There are plenty of things boxing lacks when you happen to run across someone who means you harm, but being able to knock someone on their ass while getting hit as little as possible is certainly not one of them wouldn’t you say? [/quote]

I never questioned the ability of boxing to teach you how to hit hard, or the idea of a tight guard to stop you getting hit. I questioned the value of slipping a punch when demonstrated in an unrealistic manner

[quote]Fistiecuffs wrote:
I’d much rather take a toolbox of a pro boxer to a “streetfight” than some self educated keyboard ninja who can’t be bothered to train in any combat sports because it doesn’t prepare you for a real situation. [/quote]

Thats an awful lot of assumptions for someone who doesn’t know me

[quote]Fistiecuffs wrote:
Punching people and getting punched by people, even if under certain set of rules and wearing protective equipment, sure as fuck prepares you to a situation where someone might want to punch you in the face, even if this time around no one is going to stop him from kicking your balls up to your throat and then proceed to jumping on your unconcious head until your IQ number falls below 0. [/quote]

I agree, remember I only said slipping a punch as shown under the conditions on the video was less than ideal. I didn’t say training in any combat sport was pointless.

[quote]Fistiecuffs wrote:
Now of course you could go to da streetz and just stand outside a bar on saturday night around the closing time in your bad neighbourhood of a choice and wait for someone to pick a fight with you or hit you in the back of your head with a baseball bat, but that just seems kind of retarded wouldn’t you say? [/quote]

Er, yes?

[quote]Fistiecuffs wrote:
I’d be really interested on hearing how you suggest one should train to prepare themselves for possible REAL situation since doing anything sort of the real thing seems to be a waste of time to you.[/quote]

I didn’t say the only way to train was to actually fight - thats obviously stupid. I said you had to train realistically. This means distance, opponents, weapons, build up, opponent positioning, opponents attacks, your positioning etc must match what you might face. Sure you might get attacked by one opponent trying to tag you in the parking lot, but that seems unlikley.

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:

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Yeah thats what I meant

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[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:

[quote]WP wrote:

[quote]Sentoguy wrote:

[quote]WP wrote:

[quote]Kev_PL1 wrote:

[quote]Ranzo wrote:

I feel like you are over analyzing this whole thing. Not it is not a real streetfight at all. By watching the video I get the feel that they know this and set up a demonstration to show that just using head movement and evasive measures could save you lots of damage in a real fight. Im sure he put gloves on for safety reason as well as legal reasons. To me it shows just how effective it can be. Of course there are always What ifs and variables in any situation and a fighter will have to react to that. [/quote]

My point is that doesn’t represent a real fight; therefore drawing any conclusions as to the value of the technique is pointless. A demonstration should demonstrate reality, not a sport fighter showing a sporting technique in a sporting situation and then saying “here’s how to win a street fight”. They started in fighting stances, far apart and commenced at the sound of a “bell” - the complete opposite of what happens in reality.

From the youtube site:

“You can learn how to win a street fight simply by learning how to move your head! If you make your opponent miss, you stay safe and he gets tired… then it becomes easy to win a street fight.”

Yes every street fight gives you the oppotunity to bob and weave and dance round making your opponent look silly… just wait till they’re gasping for air and then bam! You get to win so easily!!!

Facepalm

Edit: Obviously not getting hit in the face is something to train for (as people have said above), my opinion is there are easier/simpler ways to do that with less risk involved and which are more likely to work under “street” conditions.[/quote]

Nothing on this planet represents a real street fight besides a real street fight. If you can’t appreciate the fact that the video is demonstrating the usefulness of boxing outside of a ring then you’re either a) stupid or b) have your RMA goggles set to high intensity.

How can anything on this planet “demonstrate reality”? Every training scenario and drill on this planet can’t “demonstrate reality” because a real fight is dynamic. Having the ability to dodge punches (irrespective of the fact that he did it for 45 seconds) is a valuable skill.

Not trying to knock on RMA practitioners but I find it ridiculous when boxing gets classed as a sport and is therefore cast away as ineffective in the street. 100m sprinting is also a sport, guess that wouldn’t work in the street because you can trip over something whilst running away…[/quote]

What you said about the usefulness of being able to dodge punches is most certainly true. That said, boxing (as in the Marquess of Queensbury rules) is a sport and so classifying it as such is correct. That is not the same as saying that skill sets like punching or dodging punches which are taught in the sport of boxing are ineffective because boxing is a sport (which would be incorrect). And yes, while sprinting is also a sport it would develop attributes that could be very useful in combat, as would Free Running/Parkour, Kendo, archery, knife/tomahawk throwing, paintball and a whole bunch of other sports, that doesn’t change the fact that they are all sports though.

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My problem isn’t the fact that they’re sports, I don’t dispute that. It’s the argument that “so and so is a sport, therefore it’s not effective outside of the sport”. Obviously that doesn’t say that all sports are useful (I don’t think snooker will help much in a fight) but some sports involve many elements that are contained in a brawl. [/quote]

I would consider access to a snooker cue an even greater advantage than being a trained, but unarmed fighter. Just to be a dick. [/quote]

I was actually thinking the same thing (even having access to the snooker balls or utilizing the table as an encumbrance would be advantageous).

I completely agree with you guys though that “just because something is a sport doesn’t mean that it’s not useful outside of that sport’s context”. The argument that RMA’s (the good ones anyway) tend to make is that, “just because something works in a sporting context, under sport rules, doesn’t necessarily mean that it will work outside of those rules/that context”. This is an acknowledgement that some, but not all, of what is found in combat sports works outside of the rules of those combat sports. That isn’t the same thing as the statement that you suggested RMA’s make.

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:

I completely agree with you guys though that “just because something is a sport doesn’t mean that it’s not useful outside of that sport’s context”. The argument that RMA’s (the good ones anyway) tend to make is that, “just because something works in a sporting context, under sport rules, doesn’t necessarily mean that it will work outside of those rules/that context”. This is an acknowledgement that some, but not all, of what is found in combat sports works outside of the rules of those combat sports. That isn’t the same thing as the statement that you suggested RMA’s make.[/quote]

Sento I don’t think any of us are really arguing that point. I’m famously disparaging of BJJ for that very reason.

This dude just seems to come on hard about how whatever is being shown will NEVER apply, and well, that’s not true, because while it might not ALWAYS apply, it can SOMETIMES apply. I have absolutely been in and seen that sort of situation where a fight legitimately starts with guys doing the monkey dance, and one dude swings and either hits or misses. It’s not always a shotgun out of the shadows situation.

And like London said, sometimes if you can slip that punch, the guy will bust his hand on the wall and you don’t have to do shit to “win.” Other times, you can slip once or twice and the dumb drunk bastard will just fall over. If he’s a bigger threat, you can slip once and counter and he’s flat on his back.

The point, which was made in the video, is that it’s a good thing to be able to do and if you fight a lot, even in the street, it will behoove you to be good at it.

And by the same token, there’s a lot of “reality martial arts” out there - dare I say most of them - taught by incompetent pussies who have never been in a fight in their lives. So throwing that out there as an example of how one SHOULD fight (not that you are, the other guy was) is kind of laughable because unless we know your instructor and what he’s teaching, you could be talking about some COMMMANDO KRAV MAGA!!!111 class that’s taught at LA Fitness.

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Yeah, not suggesting that you were saying anything like that Irish, and we are in agreement in regards to the rest of your post as well.

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[quote]Kev_PL1 wrote:

[quote]WP wrote:

My problem isn’t the fact that they’re sports, I don’t dispute that. It’s the argument that “so and so is a sport, therefore it’s not effective outside of the sport”. Obviously that doesn’t say that all sports are useful (I don’t think snooker will help much in a fight) but some sports involve many elements that are contained in a brawl. [/quote]

I agree with you - some elements of boxing are useful and if I had to train one “sport” for the street it would be boxing. I’m saying the video didn’t highlight the useful bits and that 45s of slipping punches doesn’t have much relevance to a fight that occurs in different conditions.
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So applying a concept and demonstrating it while deliberately limiting things such as counter strikes (which would reduce the 45 seconds into probably 3 seconds) so to create an exhibition, instantly makes it irrelevant and useless.

Guys, stop doing footwork, that’s not real.
Guys, stop using rubber knives for knife fighting drills, that’s not real.
Guys, stop doing drills with head guards and gloves, that’s not real.

LOL, whatever you say dude.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

This dude just seems to come on hard about how whatever is being shown will NEVER apply, and well, that’s not true, because while it might not ALWAYS apply, it can SOMETIMES apply. I have absolutely been in and seen that sort of situation where a fight legitimately starts with guys doing the monkey dance, and one dude swings and either hits or misses. It’s not always a shotgun out of the shadows situation.

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My problem is with the video, not so much slipping - yes it can work, perosnally I think it shouldn’t be your go to defence, but use it as a last resort. The video is suggesting “this is how you win fights” and then showed it being applied in an unrealitic manner. My original post suggested what could be fixed in the video.

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

And by the same token, there’s a lot of “reality martial arts” out there - dare I say most of them - taught by incompetent pussies who have never been in a fight in their lives. So throwing that out there as an example of how one SHOULD fight (not that you are, the other guy was) is kind of laughable because unless we know your instructor and what he’s teaching, you could be talking about some COMMMANDO KRAV MAGA!!!111 class that’s taught at LA Fitness.

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I’m not talking COMMMANDO KRAV MAGA!!! I’m talking about what law enforcement/military use - stuff that has to be trained in 1 maybe 2 hours but leads to things like 40% less head injuries over a two year period (an independent study). I’m not pissing on boxing - but no ones trying to teach cops how to slip.