From a few peoples posts and the vibe i am getting (which may be wrong) there may be a misunderstanding here.
I dont go to the osteopath with my mum, i dont even live with my mum, havent done in years, i have my own place and live alone. i go to see him by myself alone, the reason i mentioned the osteopath being “my mums friend” is to show why he didnt charge me, and the reason i mentioned why he didnt charge me is to show that he wasnt just trying to get money out of me by “claiming” i have no rhomboids so i would have to see him regularly for treatment (feeding his bank account).
Origninally before he told me what exercises and possitions i SHOULDNT do (pull ups or not supporting my back in shoulder press for example) i was already trying them in the gym (without knowing) and i couldnt do these specific exercises properly whatsoever no matter how much focus or effort i put in. It was only until he told me i SHOULDNT do them that it made sense, because all the exercises he said i SHOULDNT do were the only exercises that i felt incapable of doing properly whatsoever, best described as my shoulders “buckling”. He explained this due to the instability of the the fact the rhomboids arent there.
It is still possible he could be wrong about them being completely absent but the above is more evidence to me that he has (at a minimum) discovered something relevant, if not the actual truth. Either way he was right about the exercises (before i knew as well, which shows some understanding at least).
thanks again to everyone whoes given good advice and feedback. Will definitely try and get as many opinions on this as possible (doctors ect…). Though it may (and i use the word “may” as lightly as a feather) be useful to know that my mum does have hypermobility syndrome, back problems or abnormalities may run in the family, never know.
[quote]AlteredState wrote:
Get an MRI.[/quote]
just looked up the details of an MRI and what it can show, great idea, thank you (ben bows humbley).
If you truly had no rhomboids, I would find it very hard to believe that you could lift any kind of weight at all. Your back muscles are first to develop very early on (watch a baby crawl on the floor.) I would suspect you would have trouble walking and standing upright, as the rhomboids contribute to other supporting structures of the torso.
I may not know the depths of phisiology and compensation but what your saying does sound very simarlar to what my osteopath said, that my other muscles compensate for the lack of rhomboids. I am going to ring him and find out if there is a medical name for having absent rhomboids, something other than absent rhomboids.
Also just for the hell of it (although i already know what he said) i will ask him again, just to 100% clarify that i wasnt somehow hearing things that day (as i am “a mutant” as you know LOL) i will ask him again “is it that i have NO rhomoids, or just UNDERDEVOLOPED rhomboids?”. The hunt for the truth goes on.
(in reponse to the the post above me)
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
If you truly had no rhomboids, I would find it very hard to believe that you could lift any kind of weight at all. Your back muscles are first to develop very early on (watch a baby crawl on the floor.) I would suspect you would have trouble walking and standing upright, as the rhomboids contribute to other supporting structures of the torso. [/quote]
although you may suspect it would be hard to stand or walk upright i will ask him this as it may be a good point that he could explain in relation to my apparent lack of rhomboids. cheers for the post.
Can’t wait to see the picture.
Unless you’re very skinny or overweight it should be pretty interesting.
[quote]LiftSmart wrote:
Can’t wait to see the picture.
Unless you’re very skinny or overweight it should be pretty interesting.[/quote]
funny enough i thought how it looked was how it was suppose to look, assuming i was a normal human being LOL, i only found out it wasnt “normal” after comparing with my friends and having them go “thats mad!”. to me i didnt see what the big deal was until i compared, now i do it in the mirror and think “hmmm, this is definitely not normal” lol. i can scratch my back easily though :-p 
[quote]bencook wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
Please provide a picture.
If this is a troll job, it’s 4 years in the making, which shows way too much effort.
Will try and get a picture uploaded soon of me putting my hand behind my back (though it wont proove i have no rhomboids it will show you what i meant in my post about my shoulder blades sticking out ALOT).
Also what is a “troll job” (4 years in the making)? i have not heard this term.
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If I’m wrong about the troll job (which I don’t feel like explaining) then I apologize. The best advice on here is to see a specialist of some sort. I wouldn’t trust internet experts with a problem of this magnitude.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
Seriously, I went to college with a guy who was born with no arms. He was the coxswain in our boat (crew).
He drove a custom van with his feet and was an honor student. He wrote with his feet (well holding a pen in his toes). The only thing he couldn’t do was zip/unzip his trousers.[/quote]
How did he masturbate?
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
bencook wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
Please provide a picture.
If this is a troll job, it’s 4 years in the making, which shows way too much effort.
Will try and get a picture uploaded soon of me putting my hand behind my back (though it wont proove i have no rhomboids it will show you what i meant in my post about my shoulder blades sticking out ALOT).
Also what is a “troll job” (4 years in the making)? i have not heard this term.
If I’m wrong about the troll job (which I don’t feel like explaining) then I apologize. The best advice on here is to see a specialist of some sort. I wouldn’t trust internet experts with a problem of this magnitude.[/quote]
Nor would I trust an osteopath that gave such a diagnosis. Get a second opinion.
[quote]
If I’m wrong about the troll job (which I don’t feel like explaining) then I apologize. The best advice on here is to see a specialist of some sort. I wouldn’t trust internet experts with a problem of this magnitude.[/quote]
i agree.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
SteelyD wrote:
Seriously, I went to college with a guy who was born with no arms. He was the coxswain in our boat (crew).
He drove a custom van with his feet and was an honor student. He wrote with his feet (well holding a pen in his toes). The only thing he couldn’t do was zip/unzip his trousers.
How did he masturbate?[/quote]
You can’t beat off with your feet?
You’re missing out man.
[quote]LiftSmart wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
SteelyD wrote:
Seriously, I went to college with a guy who was born with no arms. He was the coxswain in our boat (crew).
He drove a custom van with his feet and was an honor student. He wrote with his feet (well holding a pen in his toes). The only thing he couldn’t do was zip/unzip his trousers.
How did he masturbate?
You can’t beat off with your feet?
You’re missing out man.[/quote]
No, my legs are too short.
I don;t think its your legs that are too short.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
No, my legs are too short.[/quote]
Holy Shit, Zap! In 4 years, I can’t believe I never asked him that… Maybe he fucked his shoe…? LMAO!
Your alleged lack of rhomboid muscles with create havoc among your scapulae and humeri interaction. As you can see from the following diagram, your scapula would not attach to the thoracic spine, and also interfere with how the humerus functions.
You would have less scapular retraction, and most likely have serious scapular winging.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Your alleged lack of rhomboid muscles with create havoc among your scapulae and humeri interaction. As you can see from the following diagram, your scapula would not attach to the thoracic spine, and also interfere with how the humerus functions.
You would have less scapular retraction, and most likely have serious scapular winging. [/quote]
Sane and excellent post.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Your alleged lack of rhomboid muscles with create havoc among your scapulae and humeri interaction. As you can see from the following diagram, your scapula would not attach to the thoracic spine, and also interfere with how the humerus functions.
You would have less scapular retraction, and most likely have serious scapular winging. [/quote]
Funny enough that sounds exactly like what i have, because my scapular does “wing” out ALOT, i am not talking a little, i am talking a HELL of ALOT, it looks freaky, i have compared it to other peoples and friends, its the same with all of them that mine is not normal.
If i was to give a metaphorical comparison to how much it wings out compared to a “normal” person it would be like getting ronnie coleman and standing him next to an anorexic as far as a noticible difference goes. Thats why in my post i said that i use it as a party trick, i stick my hand behind my back and my scapular sticks out like a chicken wing, i have even had people sometimes even get grossed out, i even get people going “thats mad!”. It seems your post is supporting the possibility that i dont have rhomboids. You know i have even had people tell me to stop putting my hand behind my back because it makes them cringe, have had people say it looks “freaky”. After having looked at my friends putting their hand behind their back now i look in the mirror and think its freaky LOL.
Your post has realy been helpful, i thank you for taking the time and effort of putting the picture up and writing it. I did suffer bad pains in my back near where my rhomboids are supposed to be (before i knew i didnt have any “suppsedly”), but then i started working out and it really helped, i dont feel the pain much anymore, my osteopath told me that was because i am creating compensation for my non-exisent rhomboids, he told me weights are good for me, but avoid certain exercises or it can be dangerous and i could injure myself or pull a rib out (which i have done before, wasnt even exercising hard either when i did it).