[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
then again, the woman could be right guys. WTF is wrong with you. A simple X-Ray will prove it 
oh COME ON! that was clever and funny, FUCK you guys LOL[/quote]
What is funny, the woman joke, or the fact that you think that muscles will show up on an X-Ray? I chuckled at the later.
[quote]threewhitelights wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
then again, the woman could be right guys. WTF is wrong with you. A simple X-Ray will prove it
oh COME ON! that was clever and funny, FUCK you guys LOL
What is funny, the woman joke, or the fact that you think that muscles will show up on an X-Ray? I chuckled at the later.[/quote]
the latter 
[quote]threewhitelights wrote:
Professor X wrote:
There is no way anyone should give advice here without knowing the details. This is this guy’s one and only post on this site in spite of his join date. Let’s be a bit more skeptical about claims like this.
What details? It’s either there or it isn’t. Like I said, if it actually is the case, then the treatment is to strengthen impaired movements. If it’s not the case, then he is taking is health into his own hands in the first place by asking for suggestions.
If the muscle isn’t absent, but is rather weak and elongated, then the suggestion still remains the same, strengthen the affected movements.
It’s not that I’m not being skeptical, but rather that if he took the time to post it, I might as well take the time to answer it rather than telling others not to. When someone posts saying they are having trouble hitting squat depth I don’t ask for details or video proof, I post what I think will help. If they’re lying, it’s not like I’ve lost anything.
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If someone were actually missing entire muscle groups on BOTH SIDES OF THEIR BODY, they would have much larger issues than exercise technique.
Why do you think someone like that should be training with heavy weights AT ALL?
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
then again, the woman could be right guys. WTF is wrong with you. A simple X-Ray will prove it
oh COME ON! that was clever and funny, FUCK you guys LOL[/quote]
I was laughing on the inside. 
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
threewhitelights wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
then again, the woman could be right guys. WTF is wrong with you. A simple X-Ray will prove it
oh COME ON! that was clever and funny, FUCK you guys LOL
What is funny, the woman joke, or the fact that you think that muscles will show up on an X-Ray? I chuckled at the later.
the latter ;)[/quote]
Ok good, because otherwise…
[quote]Professor X wrote:
If someone were actually missing entire muscle groups on BOTH SIDES OF THEIR BODY, they would have much larger issues than exercise technique.
Why do you think someone like that should be training with heavy weights AT ALL?[/quote]
Deficiency or absence of both sides sternocostal pectoralis major is not entirely uncommon as far as physical deficiencies goes.
Why do I think that? Because he obviously already is training, and because the that is what the therapy is when people are missing any other muscle.
I understand where your judgment on this is coming from, but I don’t see any reason to doubt the kid other than the high improbability. If I’m wrong, I haven’t lost anything but my time (which I’m getting paid for at work anyways).
I do agree that it would be nice to have more information, but he gave a vague description, so I gave a vague solution. It’s not like I’m giving him specialized advice (which I wouldn’t without examination).
Seriously, I went to college with a guy who was born with no arms. He was the coxswain in our boat (crew).
He drove a custom van with his feet and was an honor student. He wrote with his feet (well holding a pen in his toes). The only thing he couldn’t do was zip/unzip his trousers.
[quote]threewhitelights wrote:
Deficiency or absence of both sides sternocostal pectoralis major is not entirely uncommon as far as physical deficiencies goes.
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I’m sorry, are you trying to claim that the complete absence of the pec major is not uncommon?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
threewhitelights wrote:
Deficiency or absence of both sides sternocostal pectoralis major is not entirely uncommon as far as physical deficiencies goes.
I’m sorry, are you trying to claim that the complete absence of the pec major is not uncommon?[/quote]
I guess thats why there are so many 135lb people on this website.
Alright, that was wrong.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
threewhitelights wrote:
Deficiency or absence of both sides sternocostal pectoralis major is not entirely uncommon as far as physical deficiencies goes.
I’m sorry, are you trying to claim that the complete absence of the pec major is not uncommon?[/quote]
Not in terms of 1 in 10 people, but as far as genetic physical deformities. Poland syndrome affects one in 20,000 and is a genetic partial (I never said complete) absence of at least 1 side of the pectoral.
I’d say it even is as common as affecting 1 in 10 of the posters in the RMP forum.
[quote]threewhitelights wrote:
Professor X wrote:
threewhitelights wrote:
Deficiency or absence of both sides sternocostal pectoralis major is not entirely uncommon as far as physical deficiencies goes.
I’m sorry, are you trying to claim that the complete absence of the pec major is not uncommon?
Not in terms of 1 in 10 people, but as far as genetic physical deformities. Poland syndrome affects one in 20,000 and is a genetic partial (I never said complete) absence of at least 1 side of the pectoral.
I’d say it even is as common as affecting 1 in 10 of the posters in the RMP forum.[/quote]
Dude, I am a doctor and I have been putting “ON BOTH SIDES” in capital letters since the start of this thread. There are no estimates on the odds of someone missing large muscle groups on both sides of their bodies yet still functioning normally because it is that rare.
We are NOT talking about atrophied muscles with weak innervation. We are talking about the complete absence of back muscles on both sides of the human body.
What gets me is how anyone here would try to overlook the rarity of it while giving advice. Someone truly in that situation would have much larger issues than how to do an exercise correctly.
There should be no other “advice” than for this kid to see a doctor…someone not a friend of his mom.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Dude, I am a doctor and I have been putting “ON BOTH SIDES” in capital letters since the start of this thread. There are no estimates on the odds of someone missing large muscle groups on both sides of their bodies yet still functioning normally because it is that rare.
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And I haven’t, and neither did the original poster, so stop making assumptions. Besides that, I only brought up Poland syndrome to give an example of muscle absence. I mentioned in my first post that I had never heard of this particular impairment, but that doesn’t mean it can’t exist. And I also never said it isn’t rare, but it’s not like it isn’t unheard of or impossible. Bilateral absence is OBVIOUSLY less common than a unilateral one, but it can and does happen.
Again, why are you arguing this in the first place? Yes, he should see a Dr., a specialist at that, but either it is the condition or it isn’t. Either way, the advice is still the same and I stand by it.
Also, we get it, you’re a dentist or something. At least 1000 of your 20000 threads mention this. I never questioned your education or how much you know about the human body, for the simple reason that it isn’t relevant. I’m studying biomechanics and plan to go on to study muscle impairments in an occupational study, but I’m not going to bother to start every post with “well i’m a therapist, so…”
And for the record, the rhomboids aren’t a ‘large’ muscle group, not even the rhomboid major.
[quote]threewhitelights wrote:
Again, why are you arguing this in the first place? Yes, he should see a Dr., a specialist at that, but either it is the condition or it isn’t. Either way, the advice is still the same and I stand by it. [/quote]
And that is the issue. Someone with this affliction should not be heading towards a weight room unless he has been cleared by a physician…unless you are the one who will pick up the tab should his back break.
I agree. But he already has, for a while now apparently, so it wasn’t one of my high concerns. Maybe I’m being naive at how dumb people can be, but…
that 1st post was waaaaaaay to long.
Ok there is a lot to repsond to here=
*I am not making this story up
*i did not mishear any information from my osteopath, i tend to ask time and time again, making sure i know exactly what he said , he said i didnt have any rhomboid muscles.
*he did tell me i SHOULDNT do certain back exercises, not suppose to do pull ups or or pull downs (these are the worst “apparently” for me), dips also very bad for me and i have to make sure i put my back against something when doing shoulder press.
*the truth is he is either right, or he is wrong, i will check second, third opinions, always a good idea, was going to go to a few i had in mind
*thanks from the people who gave actual advice and their well intended viewpoints
*to anyone who was disrespectful= your not worth my time so i am not even going to answer to you (other than this).
*doctors sounds like a good idea
*I am 24 and live in the United kingdom
As you guys know this was my first post, i tend to keep to myself with my working out life, but as i have been spending more time recently on the website i thought “fuck it, i will see what peoples opinions are on here about my absent rhomboid situation”.
i will be reading the replies soon and will try and reply when i can. thanks peeps
Go get a second, maybe third opinion.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Professor X wrote:
This is this guy’s one and only post on this site in spite of his join date. Let’s be a bit more skeptical about claims like this.
Exactly. And if this was such a pressing issue, don’t you think he would have logged on again to check and respond to any response he has gotten?
I’m calling complete bullshit.[/quote]
I have only just got online (having posted my response to everyone) now to look at the replies ( i was really surprised at how fast this got responses to, i didnt expect it).
This is not bullshit. Quote from one of my favourite films = “i expect you to make up your own damn mind, either you beleive me, or you dont. All i can tell you is that your friend is in trouble and he needs your help”.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Please provide a picture.
If this is a troll job, it’s 4 years in the making, which shows way too much effort.[/quote]
Will try and get a picture uploaded soon of me putting my hand behind my back (though it wont proove i have no rhomboids it will show you what i meant in my post about my shoulder blades sticking out ALOT).
Also what is a “troll job” (4 years in the making)? i have not heard this term.