Bogus About Prisoners

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[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

I’m not a pro and never competed. But there was a time in my life, up until a year and half ago, in which I wanted to be fucking huge! I reached a bodyweight of 245#. Now, being that I don’t want to be fucking huge anymore, I weigh 217 pounds as of two days ago. I don’t eat and train as when I was doing hardcore bodybuilding and powerlifting routines. And I’ve been natural my whole life. So are steroids to blame because I deflated to 217? NO, I never used them. [/quote]

No steroids are not to blame. You stopped training hard and eating good. What do u expect. That must be depressing.

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[quote]Beast Status wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

I’m not a pro and never competed. But there was a time in my life, up until a year and half ago, in which I wanted to be fucking huge! I reached a bodyweight of 245#. Now, being that I don’t want to be fucking huge anymore, I weigh 217 pounds as of two days ago. I don’t eat and train as when I was doing hardcore bodybuilding and powerlifting routines. And I’ve been natural my whole life. So are steroids to blame because I deflated to 217? NO, I never used them. [/quote]

No steroids are not to blame. You stopped training hard and eating good. What do u expect. That must be depressing.
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I still train 3 days per week, AND I train hard! I don’t follow a bodybuilding routine anymore, one that’s geared towards becoming as big as possible! If you had vast knowledge on training, you’d know that not all programs are geared towards size, jackass! Actually, I exercise 5 to 6 times per week! Aside from the 3 days of lifting, 2 to 3 times per week I do intervals or jogging and/or play recreational sports when weather permits.

I stopped eating good? :slight_smile: I’m a fucking RD, a registered dietitian with degrees in nutrition. I’ll never stop eating healthy! I just don’t eat upwards of 5,000 calories a day anymore. I can write out what I’ve eaten so far today for my first three meals if you like:

Meal 1
8 egg whites and 1 yolk
2 slices low-fat cheese
2 servings Hodgson Mills multi-grain hot cereal
1/4 cup raisins

Meal 2
2 slices multi-grain bread
6 oz tuna with mustard
1 pear
Small salad with vinegar

Meal 3 (friend invited me to IHOP)
Egg white omelet with cheese, onions, peppers, and ham
Hash browns

You clearly have no idea what the fuck you’re talking about!

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I’m also not depressed in the slightest because not having to eat and train so much in a gym has allowed me to pay attention to other areas of life more than I could have otherwise. Those that wish to forgo some areas of their life in the quest to get big–hats off to them! There was a time in my life when I couldn’t weight to get just a little bigger or put up a new PR. That feeling of being in a gym and going wild is fucking intoxicating. Going to a powerlifting or bodybuilding show–something I used to do often–is intoxicating too! I still appreciate and have love for the whole thing; I just don’t do it for myself anymore. I appreciate it and eventually I want my dietetics career to focus mostly on sports nutrition; I’d love to help out some PLers and BBers with nutrition.

I know what I can handle, and what I can’t. And at this point in my life–what I’m trying to do–I find it exceedingly difficult to focus so much on lifting and eating while trying to do other stuff. Now that I have two less nights out of the gym, I can do a quit jog and go out to eat and get a drink with a friend or go on a date with a chic, go to profession-related and academic events, catch or rent a movie, or whatever. That’s just how I like my life now. I feel much less stressed and I enjoy a wider variety of things now.

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By the way, I met Dorian in person, in his prime, at Roosevelt Field Mall while he was shopping with Steve Weinberger. He looked like such a pushover that I went up to him and said, “You know, all dat muscle ya got is from da 'roids!”

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[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]Beast Status wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

I’m not a pro and never competed. But there was a time in my life, up until a year and half ago, in which I wanted to be fucking huge! I reached a bodyweight of 245#. Now, being that I don’t want to be fucking huge anymore, I weigh 217 pounds as of two days ago. I don’t eat and train as when I was doing hardcore bodybuilding and powerlifting routines. And I’ve been natural my whole life. So are steroids to blame because I deflated to 217? NO, I never used them. [/quote]

No steroids are not to blame. You stopped training hard and eating good. What do u expect. That must be depressing.
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I still train 3 days per week, AND I train hard! I don’t follow a bodybuilding routine anymore, one that’s geared towards becoming as big as possible! If you had vast knowledge on training, you’d know that not all programs are geared towards size, jackass! Actually, I exercise 5 to 6 times per week! Aside from the 3 days of lifting, 2 to 3 times per week I do intervals or jogging and/or play recreational sports when weather permits.

I stopped eating good? :slight_smile: I’m a fucking RD, a registered dietitian with degrees in nutrition. I’ll never stop eating healthy! I just don’t eat upwards of 5,000 calories a day anymore. I can write out what I’ve eaten so far today for my first three meals if you like:

Meal 1
8 egg whites and 1 yolk
2 slices low-fat cheese
2 servings Hodgson Mills multi-grain hot cereal
1/4 cup raisins

Meal 2
2 slices multi-grain bread
6 oz tuna with mustard
1 pear
Small salad with vinegar

Meal 3 (friend invited me to IHOP)
Egg white omelet with cheese, onions, peppers, and ham
Hash browns

You clearly have no idea what the fuck you’re talking about!

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Does it really take a “vast knowledge” to know that all programs are not geared toward bodybuiilding? You mean to tell me that soccer players dont train like bodybuilders??? Fuck, and all this time ive been training like a pro ping pong player.
For someone that is a registered dietician. You seem to bitch alot about worrying about the diet, and supplements are too tedious to worry about. What the fuck are you good for if you cant even practice what you preach? Ur kinda defensive too. Im not sure if thats a characteristic of your projected body image depression. Are you chubby bricknyce? Or just kinda ghey?

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I never said all supplements aren’t effective. I said I don’t like using a lot of them because my gym performance isn’t as important to me as it once was. Why buy things that don’t have much value to me now? I never said I won’t prescribe some effective supplements to others.

On practicing what I preach. I DO practice what I preach; I have for most of my life, and hopefully I’ll be able to continue for the rest of it.

How am I lazy about dieting? I just wrote three meals consumed today, including ingredients and measured amounts.

It doesn’t take vast knowledge to know that programs are geared for different goals and situations. However, in rebuttal to my post, you said that I stopped training hard and eating good, both of which are untrue.

I’m not defensive. You’re incoherent.

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so this thread isnt about prisoners anymore?

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[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

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You’re arguing with an idjit.

The old saying goes something like – “don’t argue with idjits, they’ll just drag you down to their level and beat you with their experience”.

Unless you enjoy tweaking their noses, of course :wink:

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[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]Beast Status wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

I’m not a pro and never competed. But there was a time in my life, up until a year and half ago, in which I wanted to be fucking huge! I reached a bodyweight of 245#. Now, being that I don’t want to be fucking huge anymore, I weigh 217 pounds as of two days ago. I don’t eat and train as when I was doing hardcore bodybuilding and powerlifting routines. And I’ve been natural my whole life. So are steroids to blame because I deflated to 217? NO, I never used them. [/quote]

No steroids are not to blame. You stopped training hard and eating good. What do u expect. That must be depressing.
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I still train 3 days per week, AND I train hard! I don’t follow a bodybuilding routine anymore, one that’s geared towards becoming as big as possible! If you had vast knowledge on training, you’d know that not all programs are geared towards size, jackass! Actually, I exercise 5 to 6 times per week! Aside from the 3 days of lifting, 2 to 3 times per week I do intervals or jogging and/or play recreational sports when weather permits.

I stopped eating good? :slight_smile: I’m a fucking RD, a registered dietitian with degrees in nutrition. I’ll never stop eating healthy! I just don’t eat upwards of 5,000 calories a day anymore. I can write out what I’ve eaten so far today for my first three meals if you like:

Meal 1
8 egg whites and 1 yolk
2 slices low-fat cheese
2 servings Hodgson Mills multi-grain hot cereal
1/4 cup raisins

Meal 2
2 slices multi-grain bread
6 oz tuna with mustard
1 pear
Small salad with vinegar

Meal 3 (friend invited me to IHOP)
Egg white omelet with cheese, onions, peppers, and ham
Hash browns

You clearly have no idea what the fuck you’re talking about!

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Soooo, since you are still lifting but not gunning for size… what is your strength level like now compared to when you were at your biggest? Forgive me, I’m trying to learn something rather than argue.

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Are you training for anything in particular Brick? Or just kind of doing general physical preparedness type stuff? Sorry if you mentioned it earlier and I missed it.

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I’m not training for any competition or event. I’m training for general fitness: some muscle gain or maintenance, strength, and conditioning.

It’s OK; I didn’t mention it in detail.

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[quote]gethuge08 wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]Beast Status wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

I’m not a pro and never competed. But there was a time in my life, up until a year and half ago, in which I wanted to be fucking huge! I reached a bodyweight of 245#. Now, being that I don’t want to be fucking huge anymore, I weigh 217 pounds as of two days ago. I don’t eat and train as when I was doing hardcore bodybuilding and powerlifting routines. And I’ve been natural my whole life. So are steroids to blame because I deflated to 217? NO, I never used them. [/quote]

No steroids are not to blame. You stopped training hard and eating good. What do u expect. That must be depressing.
[/quote]

I still train 3 days per week, AND I train hard! I don’t follow a bodybuilding routine anymore, one that’s geared towards becoming as big as possible! If you had vast knowledge on training, you’d know that not all programs are geared towards size, jackass! Actually, I exercise 5 to 6 times per week! Aside from the 3 days of lifting, 2 to 3 times per week I do intervals or jogging and/or play recreational sports when weather permits.

I stopped eating good? :slight_smile: I’m a fucking RD, a registered dietitian with degrees in nutrition. I’ll never stop eating healthy! I just don’t eat upwards of 5,000 calories a day anymore. I can write out what I’ve eaten so far today for my first three meals if you like:

Meal 1
8 egg whites and 1 yolk
2 slices low-fat cheese
2 servings Hodgson Mills multi-grain hot cereal
1/4 cup raisins

Meal 2
2 slices multi-grain bread
6 oz tuna with mustard
1 pear
Small salad with vinegar

Meal 3 (friend invited me to IHOP)
Egg white omelet with cheese, onions, peppers, and ham
Hash browns

You clearly have no idea what the fuck you’re talking about!

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Soooo, since you are still lifting but not gunning for size… what is your strength level like now compared to when you were at your biggest? Forgive me, I’m trying to learn something rather than argue.[/quote]

I’m weaker than when I was at my biggest. When I was hardcore about the whole thing, I’d train with a modified Westside routine for 6 months, then do my bodybuilding routine for 6 months. So obviously I’m weaker now, because my program is far more general.

You’re forgiven (LOL). I don’t know why I’d get irritated if someone wants to talk nutrition and fitness.

It’s 3:25 AM right now as I write this. I just got home a little while ago from a friend’s house; we went out to eat, went to a bar, went back to his house, and frittered away 2 hours looking at Youtube clips on powerlifting and bodybuilding. We were looking up anything and anyone that came to our mind: Dave Tate, Gary Strydom, Glen Chabot, Mike Francois, Dorian Yates, Joe Defranco, Jim Wendler, false grip, Konstantin Konstantinovis (spelling?), floor press, world record squat, Kirk Karwoski… just anything that came to our minds.

While I was watching all this, I literally felt like I was getting a bug to go hardcore again starting tomorrow morning.

As I said numerous times before, I have nothing but respect for all the hardcore guys on here (eg, Stu, PX, Cephalic, Sento, Wayland, Tribunal, etc) and give them full credit for keeping up with an extremely demanding hobby, especially if they’re not even competing. I’m only 30, so I’m by no means old. But I just think back on some things and I think MY hobby (the way I did this whole thing; not referring to anyone else) really interfered with some areas of my life that I feel I have some making up to do in. I’m satisfied with some things I achieved in life, and getting a good body and fitness level is one of them.

As I said, I think back, and my extremely demanding hobby interfered with some things. I brushed off plans with friends and women on so many work nights in order to go to the gym after work; I felt I couldn’t stray from my routine (and you can’t if you want to make the fastest gains). I was extremely fussy about plans because of eating and training; most of my friends and women interpreted me as nice but difficult. I could have probably had the website I’d like to create all up and running. I could have finished some academic responsibilities faster. I could have attended so many more profession-related and social events.

So this is all why I’m stepping it down now. They’re my PERSONAL reasons. Yup, I turned into a regular gym guy with a “decent body”. But I still think that all the hardcore guys on here should keep doing what they’re doing. They love it, can handle it, and it’s obviously working for their life now. I’ll always love this shit; I’ve just re-organized my life in a way that doesn’t allow for me to go full throttle with it.

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OP
I respectfully disagree. I used to work in a prison,it was typical of most prisons across the country.
I saw many huge guys with awesome cnoditioning & shredded, and yes even some jaw dropping ones too.
you realize that in most cases if these guys are serious about bbing and have some $$ they can get all the supps and protein powder that wehave. and some can even get roids.

besides I believe that when you house so many men in confine space like in a prison, the result: hyper-masculine, hyper-jacked dudes oozing with T. so it’s almost an ideal muscle building environment.
also consider that these guys are building physiques like this with sub-standard equipment, limits on training time, food, and access to knowledgeable training techniques, etc.

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I already considered their sub-par conditions, hence why many of them are not so damn jacked like people think they are.

I believe that the prison population is akin to the mainstream population when it comes to fitness; there are some that take it very seriously and have results to show for, and then you have the majority who don’t give a shit or do care but can’t cut the mustard. I could be wrong because I’ve never stepped foot in a prison; I only watch TV documentaries and know a few people who’ve done some time. But the depiction that fictional TV shows and movies and fitness idiots who say, “A high protein, quality diet isn’t so important because, after all, prisoners are jacked, and they don’t eat good” are asinine.

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[quote]Mr. Hyde wrote:
I work at a county jail in Florida…guys who stay for longer actually start to get skinny fat and I am guessing it is because of the high amounts of sugars and carbs they get. [/quote]

in Philadelphia County daily they provide:

600 grams carbs
50 grams protein
50 grams fat

every day no matter what…

they must have a dietician that picked this…

this dietician should be fired!

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[quote]sumabeast wrote:

…limits on training time…and access to knowledgeable training techniques[/quote]

so to make this thread interesting again:

You only leave your block to go to the weight room once per week in many prisons…

(some of you get to use the yard weights another session once per week)…

How do you train if you only go to the weight room once per week from 10am to 12 pm?

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[quote]newbatman wrote:

[quote]sumabeast wrote:

…limits on training time…and access to knowledgeable training techniques[/quote]

so to make this thread interesting again:

You only leave your block to go to the weight room once per week in many prisons…

(some of you get to use the yard weights another session once per week)…

How do you train if you only go to the weight room once per week from 10am to 12 pm?[/quote]

Even in prisons with NO time dedicated to weight lifting, many of the inmates find ways around it by using body weight exercises…or filling a bag with water and lifting it.

Either way, if people are still under the impression that prisoners are magically huge, they don’t really pay much attention.

Then again, considering the average sedentary person thinks Michael Phelps is huge, the question then becomes whether you need to have much size at all to impress the people who believe this.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]newbatman wrote:

[quote]sumabeast wrote:

…limits on training time…and access to knowledgeable training techniques[/quote]

so to make this thread interesting again:

You only leave your block to go to the weight room once per week in many prisons…

(some of you get to use the yard weights another session once per week)…

How do you train if you only go to the weight room once per week from 10am to 12 pm?[/quote]

Even in prisons with NO time dedicated to weight lifting, many of the inmates find ways around it by using body weight exercises…or filling a bag with water and lifting it.

Either way, if people are still under the impression that prisoners are magically huge, they don’t really pay much attention.

Then again, considering the average sedentary person thinks Michael Phelps is huge, the question then becomes whether you need to have much size at all to impress the people who believe this.[/quote]

This.

They also use their cellmate for weight if he’s a willing participant. Pretty much anything they can.

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I work in a prison, a supermax. Most guys’ physiques suck. What we see mostly on those shows like Lock up Raw is romanticized. I honestly don’t know why they get so much attention. This much I know: They hit the weights at least twice a day. They play basketball for about an hour a day. They do conditioning once a day in the yard. Why? because they have to. They have to be in shape so when shit hits the fan they will be able to fight. Unfortunately I can’t say the same about most officers. Also, even the strongest well conditioned guys can’t do even 8 pullups…nuff said…

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i was in prison and there were restrictions on how much weight you could use. prison officals dont want prisoners bigger than guards. not to mention we didnt have metal weights but weighted bags of water.