Bogus About Prisoners

Training Bodybuilding
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[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]younggully wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]younggully wrote:
They train everyday and their bodies and cns has adapted to it. If you’re doing twenty years behind bars I don’t think you’d be to worried about over training. Just proves that all these fancy smancy programs and supplements are good, but not imperative. [/quote]

OK, what does this have to do with my post?[/quote]
Just an ill-attempted hijacking.[/quote]

You have a fair point: you don’t need anything fancy to get jacked, or actually fucking huge for that matter! I’ve always made my best progress WITHOUT a fancy diet or supplements or equipment or programming. Would or can I get more gains if I implemented some fancy shit or other supplements? Maybe or probably.

But I’m the type of guy–and perhaps this says I’m a bit lazy in some areas–that doesn’t like to focus on so many damn things going on at once with a HOBBY! You know, something FUN! With all the stressors in life and other things I like doing (eg, women, friends, going out, some other recreational and profession-related activities), I have no mental energy leftover for constantly tracking calories and consuming pills and powders at specified times; it just irritates the shit out of me and I find it grueling.

Now, if you compete, that’s a different story. Then you really have to step it up a notch and eat, shit, sleep, breathe bodybuilding. That’s more than I do, and I think I’m pretty damn consistent and have made great gains.

But in the end, even the biggest, most advanced guys don’t do much fancy shit. Dorian Yates had the damn simplest program and diet. Same goes for a lot of the other guys. They eat the same shit as us and they do the same sorts of routines we do.

Take a look at Dorian’s leg routine:
Leg extensions (Poliquin unapproved)
Leg presses
Hack sqats

Take a look at his breakfast:
Egg whites
Oatmeal
Whole wheat toast
Fruit[/quote]
bingo!

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[quote]Beast Status wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]younggully wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]younggully wrote:
They train everyday and their bodies and cns has adapted to it. If you’re doing twenty years behind bars I don’t think you’d be to worried about over training. Just proves that all these fancy smancy programs and supplements are good, but not imperative. [/quote]

OK, what does this have to do with my post?[/quote]
Just an ill-attempted hijacking.[/quote]

You have a fair point: you don’t need anything fancy to get jacked, or actually fucking huge for that matter! I’ve always made my best progress WITHOUT a fancy diet or supplements or equipment or programming. Would or can I get more gains if I implemented some fancy shit or other supplements? Maybe or probably.

But I’m the type of guy–and perhaps this says I’m a bit lazy in some areas–that doesn’t like to focus on so many damn things going on at once with a HOBBY! You know, something FUN! With all the stressors in life and other things I like doing (eg, women, friends, going out, some other recreational and profession-related activities), I have no mental energy leftover for constantly tracking calories and consuming pills and powders at specified times; it just irritates the shit out of me and I find it grueling.

Now, if you compete, that’s a different story. Then you really have to step it up a notch and eat, shit, sleep, breathe bodybuilding. That’s more than I do, and I think I’m pretty damn consistent and have made great gains.

But in the end, even the biggest, most advanced guys don’t do much fancy shit. Dorian Yates had the damn simplest program and diet. Same goes for a lot of the other guys. They eat the same shit as us and they do the same sorts of routines we do.

Take a look at Dorian’s leg routine:
Leg extensions (Poliquin unapproved)
Leg presses
Hack sqats

Take a look at his breakfast:
Egg whites
Oatmeal
Whole wheat toast
Fruit[/quote]

yes…but dont forget to take a look at dorians chemicals.[/quote]
Another thing most trainees seem to forget about.

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

[quote]Beast Status wrote:

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
You’re right, something like Dorian’s approach couldn’t possibly work for a natty, huh?

Jesus…
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naw your right…expect to look like dorian.[/quote]

What an idiotic answer.

It doesn’t matter what training methodology you follow as a natty, you aren’t going to end up at 260-270 lean at average height… Which everyone in here is well aware of.

Dorian’s training style is quite popular among natural trainees though, and that’s because it works.

Do your comments have a point, or did you just come in here to annoy people?
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No. The only one annoyed is you. My statement pure and simple…its hard to compare the program of someone geared to someone lifting natty. What works for someone saucing it wont neccesarily work for someone drug free. You also said you are lazy when it comes to supplementing and dieting. Which in my mind is almost as, if not more important than the training itself.
To put into retrospective. 2 bodybuilders…you and Yates. Dorian pumped full of hormones and hardcore mentality. You, weekend warrior and “lazy supplementer” (no offense intended). I just dont see how you can compare the two progams with 2 such completley different animals. Thats it man.

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Beast, it isn’t hard to compare, considering that natural and enhanced trainees train pretty much the same!

I know successful natural guys that train with a shitload of volume and I know enhanced guys that train with a shitload of volume.

If anything, Dorian’s strategy works well with naturals because the volume is low and the intensity (of effort) is high.

The thing that steroids do is simply heighten the results you can get from a training method.

I don’t see how THREE to FOUR main sets for large muscle groups are going to destroy a natural. Nor is it logical to say that high volume is going to destroy a natural because the fact is that there are naturals who train with high volume. Most people, given the proper situation, can work up to a high volume of work.

I liked Dorian’s approach when I was training for bodybuilding purposes because it made sense to me. And yes, a program being sensible to the trainee IS important! It also made sense to me because it fucking worked! AND it suited my personality. Sure I could have trained with a higher amount of sets and stopped 2 reps short of failure on every set, but that doesn’t go well with me. I like training like a fucking animal when training for size.

If you’re training for strength, than a higher amount of sets becomes more important as noted by David Tate. If I recall correctly, he used to a Dorian-style HIT routine when he was competing in bodybuilding.

And if you have all the answers Beast, tell us why a natural needs a more complicated program. Also, I request that you provide us with a more suitable routine for the quads, or any other muscle group for that matter.

Here’s the routine I used for quads when I was training for size:
Squats
Lunges
Leg extensions

Just for another example, here’s my chest workout from back then too:
Incline flys
Incline dumbbell bench press
Pec-deck flys
Flat dumbbell bench press

Actually, while I’m at it, let me just provide all the other routines I used:

Back:
Chinups
Dumbbell rows
Cable rows
Machine pullover
Rear delt raises
Reverse pec-deck
Deadlifts

Hamstrings:
Glute-ham raises
Pullthroughs
Leg curls

Calves:
Standing calf raises
Seated calf raises

Shoulders:
Seated overhead press
Dumbbell lateral raises
Cable lateral raises

Triceps:
Close-grip bench
Skullcrushers
Pressdowns

Biceps
Barbell curls
Incline curls
Machine preacher curls

Sets: Warmup appropriately and then perform 2 main sets
Reps: 6 to 8 or 8 to 12, depending on the muscle group

I was natural at the time of doing these routines and I am now too. Provide me with a critique showing if these were appropriate for a natural or inappropriate. If I were to become enhanced, what needed to be changed?

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[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
Beast, it isn’t hard to compare, considering that natural and enhanced trainees train pretty much the same!

I know successful natural guys that train with a shitload of volume and I know enhanced guys that train with a shitload of volume.

If anything, Dorian’s strategy works well with naturals because the volume is low and the intensity (of effort) is high.

The thing that steroids do is simply heighten the results you can get from a training method.

I don’t see how THREE to FOUR main sets for large muscle groups are going to destroy a natural. Nor is it logical to say that high volume is going to destroy a natural because the fact is that there are naturals who train with high volume. Most people, given the proper situation, can work up to a high volume of work.

I liked Dorian’s approach when I was training for bodybuilding purposes because it made sense to me. And yes, a program being sensible to the trainee IS important! It also made sense to me because it fucking worked! AND it suited my personality. Sure I could have trained with a higher amount of sets and stopped 2 reps short of failure on every set, but that doesn’t go well with me. I like training like a fucking animal when training for size.

If you’re training for strength, than a higher amount of sets becomes more important as noted by David Tate. If I recall correctly, he used to a Dorian-style HIT routine when he was competing in bodybuilding.

And if you have all the answers Beast, tell us why a natural needs a more complicated program. Also, I request that you provide us with a more suitable routine for the quads, or any other muscle group for that matter.

Here’s the routine I used for quads when I was training for size:
Squats
Lunges
Leg extensions

Just for another example, here’s my chest workout from back then too:
Incline flys
Incline dumbbell bench press
Pec-deck flys
Flat dumbbell bench press

Actually, while I’m at it, let me just provide all the other routines I used:

Back:
Chinups
Dumbbell rows
Cable rows
Machine pullover
Rear delt raises
Reverse pec-deck
Deadlifts

Hamstrings:
Glute-ham raises
Pullthroughs
Leg curls

Calves:
Standing calf raises
Seated calf raises

Shoulders:
Seated overhead press
Dumbbell lateral raises
Cable lateral raises

Triceps:
Close-grip bench
Skullcrushers
Pressdowns

Biceps
Barbell curls
Incline curls
Machine preacher curls

Sets: Warmup appropriately and then perform 2 main sets
Reps: 6 to 8 or 8 to 12, depending on the muscle group

I was natural at the time of doing these routines and I am now too. Provide me with a critique showing if these were appropriate for a natural or inappropriate. If I were to become enhanced, what needed to be changed?
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Im not saying the natural bodybuilder needs a different program, im saying the results yielded Natural vs. On gear are impossible to compare. Ive lifted both ways. I lift natural now. The workout u explained is ur basic bread and butter of bodybuilding workout routines. Close to what i follow…almost. I work harder now than i ever have and the results are far shy from those just a couple years back geared up. Same diet, same ethic, same determination, same love for what i was doing. If you havent been “on” before i dont expect you to know what im talking about. While Dorian was/is a founder of the sport, a physical marvel, a genetic god…his physique wasnt entirely built on a solid workout and sum protein shakes.

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OK, but you wrote a post in rebuttal to the one I wrote in which I said that a complicated routine isn’t needed by beginners, and in some cases, even advanced trainees.

What you say above is obvious to EVERYONE with half a brain: results are better with 'roids. DUH! I still don’t know what that has to do with my thesis above.

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[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
OK, but you wrote a post in rebuttal to the one I wrote in which I said that a complicated routine isn’t needed by beginners, and in some cases, even advanced trainees.

What you say above is obvious to EVERYONE with half a brain: results are better with 'roids. DUH! I still don’t know what that has to do with my thesis above. [/quote]

No. what i said was “what works on the sauce wont neccesarily work off it.” As in the gains u make on…you wont make off. And yes DUH everyone knows that so DUH why are your arguing in the first place.

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I’m not arguing… at all. You made your post in rebuttal to mine, but it had nothing to do with my thesis that people don’t need complicated stuff to make great gains.

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I doubt there is much of a point to discussing this with him, Brick.

No one here claimed that the results from following Dorian’s routine as a natty (or hell, even on gear) would be the same as the ones Dorian got… Yet he somehow had to bring this up as if we had.

Sounds like someone hell-bent on trolling.

As for me being a lazy with supplements/diet, huh? I guess I better go and buy anaconda immediately and start eating nothing but fish and rice…?

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

As for me being a lazy with supplements/diet, huh? I guess I better go and buy anaconda immediately and start eating nothing but fish and rice…?

[/quote]

Duh? How the fuck do you expect to make progress unless you do?!

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Cephalic, this guy called you (and us) a lazy weekend warrior. There are two days in a weekend. Ceph, are you getting good results from just training on Saturday and Sunday?

I’m also a lazy “supplementor”.

Here’s my supplement list:
Gatorade powder
Whey protein powder

Actually, I don’t even consider these supplements. They’re more like food. That’s also why I don’t include oils. They’re a food too. I don’t take a multi-vitamin because I consume 6 to 10 servings of fruits and veggies per day.

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[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
Cephalic, this guy called you (and us) a lazy weekend warrior. There are two days in a weekend. Ceph, are you getting good results from just training on Saturday and Sunday? [/quote] Actually, my gym closes too early on sundays, so I just stick to saturdays. [quote]

I’m also a lazy “supplementor”.

Here’s my supplement list:
Gatorade powder
Whey protein powder

Actually, I don’t even consider these supplements. They’re more like food. That’s also why I don’t include oils. They’re a food too. I don’t take a multi-vitamin because I consume 6 to 10 servings of fruits and veggies per day. [/quote]

Hmmm… Going by that, then my supp-list looks roughly:
-Protein powder
-uhm…?

Oils being food, veggies/fruit replacing multi-vitamin, fiber being food…

Damn, we are some lazy bastards.

Oh, I forgot:
-Teh CreatineZ

I have you there, can’t beat that…

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[quote]josh86 wrote:

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

As for me being a lazy with supplements/diet, huh? I guess I better go and buy anaconda immediately and start eating nothing but fish and rice…?

[/quote]

Duh? How the fuck do you expect to make progress unless you do?![/quote]

I’m a lazy weekend-warrior, I just change up my routine a lot and hope that that’s going to make me big… One day, man, one day…

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

[quote]josh86 wrote:

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

As for me being a lazy with supplements/diet, huh? I guess I better go and buy anaconda immediately and start eating nothing but fish and rice…?

[/quote]

Duh? How the fuck do you expect to make progress unless you do?![/quote]

I’m a lazy weekend-warrior, I just change up my routine a lot and hope that that’s going to make me big… One day, man, one day…
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C_C, You need to go to Prison…I heard from some figure skaters you’ll get mad hyooge and break lift records…An added bonus: If you don’t have your PWO nutrition together, just drop the soap. I personally do not consider this a bonus.

FTR, I have been to prison and I have the CBear tatoo to proove it.

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[quote]Beast Status wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
OK, but you wrote a post in rebuttal to the one I wrote in which I said that a complicated routine isn’t needed by beginners, and in some cases, even advanced trainees.

What you say above is obvious to EVERYONE with half a brain: results are better with 'roids. DUH! I still don’t know what that has to do with my thesis above. [/quote]

No. what i said was “what works on the sauce wont neccesarily work off it.” As in the gains u make on…you wont make off. And yes DUH everyone knows that so DUH why are your arguing in the first place.
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People like you are true idiots.

No one here expects to look like Ronnie Coleman simply because they may do some of what Ronnie Coleman does. No one here is unaware of genetics. No one here is unaware of steroid use.

However, there seem to be quite a few of you jackasses who seem to think that training naturally is SO fucking different that you need some entirely different training strategy than what worked to make most of the biggest bodybuilders on the planet huge.

That makes no fucking sense. The basics work for EVERYONE if they do what they are supposed to do in the kitchen and as far as rest. How far YOU can go is more based on GENETICS than anything else.

It is like some of you get off on trying to act like steroid use by professional bodybuilders somehow causes everything they say and everything they do to become invalid to anyone else.

That is WRONG and no, no one needed your dumbass opinion in this thread.

YOU will not look like anyone else no matter what you do…because you aren’t them. Steroid use isn’t why.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Beast Status wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
OK, but you wrote a post in rebuttal to the one I wrote in which I said that a complicated routine isn’t needed by beginners, and in some cases, even advanced trainees.

What you say above is obvious to EVERYONE with half a brain: results are better with 'roids. DUH! I still don’t know what that has to do with my thesis above. [/quote]

No. what i said was “what works on the sauce wont neccesarily work off it.” As in the gains u make on…you wont make off. And yes DUH everyone knows that so DUH why are your arguing in the first place.
[/quote]

People like you are true idiots.

No one here expects to look like Ronnie Coleman simply because they may do some of what Ronnie Coleman does. No one here is unaware of genetics. No one here is unaware of steroid use.

However, there seem to be quite a few of you jackasses who seem to think that training naturally is SO fucking different that you need some entirely different training strategy than what worked to make most of the biggest bodybuilders on the planet huge.

That makes no fucking sense. The basics work for EVERYONE if they do what they are supposed to do in the kitchen and as far as rest. How far YOU can go is more based on GENETICS than anything else.

It is like some of you get off on trying to act like steroid use by professional bodybuilders somehow causes everything they say and everything they do to become invalid to anyone else.

That is WRONG and no, no one needed your dumbass opinion in this thread.

YOU will not look like anyone else no matter what you do…because you aren’t them. Steroid use isn’t why.
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Funny because I’ve seen pics of people when they aren’t juicing and they don’t look like genetic freaks. Face it, sauce does miraculous things. Yates aint lookin jacked here.

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[quote]younggully wrote:

Funny because I’ve seen pics of people when they aren’t juicing and they don’t look like genetic freaks. Face it, sauce does miraculous things. Yates aint lookin jacked here.
[/quote]

Wait, so questions like:

-Is he even training the same

-Is he eating the same

-Has he lost weight on purpose (which he has)

…Don’t even cross your mind. You simply go dig up a picture of someone like Levrone after a lay off where he admits he was TRYING to lose muscle and act like they look like that simply because they quit using steroids?

Lee Haney maintained a hell of a lot more mass than that until just recently mostly because of his AGE.

And for the record, Dorian still has all abs visible and clearly isn’t training anything like he used to…so why would you ignore that?

If you don’t eat to maintain what you built and you quit using the weights that built it, why the fuck do you think STEROIDS would be why someone would lose muscle?

Hell, do you even know if Dorian is using HRT?

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Just to add one more thing since this really shocks me that people think like this…does younggully now believe that Dorian in that picture could not gain any more muscle naturally?

Do people really believe that Kevin Levrone at his smallest was as big as someone could get without steroids???

Really?

So, you guys walk around accusing everyone bigger than Dorian in that pic of steroid use???

Why the fuck are guys like that in a bodybuilding forum? Your own limited mental capacity for what can actually be achieved is so fucked there is no way in hell guys who think like that will ever stand out…even if they actually have the genetics to do so.

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THANK YOU, PX!

You know, I can’t express how fucking irritated I get when people start talking about Kevin Levrone and Dorian Yates in reference to steroids supposedly doing ALL THE WORK!

Gully, why don’t you watch Blood and Guts and read Dorian’s books to see why he weighed 315 pounds in his offseasons! You can check out a 450 pound incline bench press for reps, a 6000+ calorie diet, and the temper and red vision of a madman!

Dorian has said numerous times that competitive bodybuilding in his past and he has no need to weigh 300+ pounds anymore. And why should he? He runs a supplement company and is RETIRED! What professional athlete or competitor in any endeavor still plays and participates as if he was competing? Maybe some retired NFL, NBA, and MLB pros should round up their retired peers and continue to train and play as they did during their competitive careers. Better yet, they should be held accountable because they’re RETIRED!

Who, after going through the rigors of formal bodybuilding competition for FOURTEEN years and the grueling practices it involves, want to continue with that after they made a fortune and played with the best of them! Should he continue being shackled to a kitchen and a gym and a bed? Or should he actually enjoy some of the things he had to do without when he was competing, such as travel, career opportunities, more socializing, etc? Dorian was one of the most disciplined bodybuilders of all time, unlike some other jerkoffs (no names) who ate fast food a month before a show and TRIED to only rely on genetics and drugs (obviously it didn’t work).

Dorian and other retired pros don’t eat and train like they did when they were competing. Most of them are involved in other things now. If I recall correctly, Dorian now weight trains three times per week and the rest of his activities include cardio, recreational sports, and some sparring.

I’m not a pro and never competed. But there was a time in my life, up until a year and half ago, in which I wanted to be fucking huge! I reached a bodyweight of 245#. Now, being that I don’t want to be fucking huge anymore, I weigh 217 pounds as of two days ago. I don’t eat and train as when I was doing hardcore bodybuilding and powerlifting routines. And I’ve been natural my whole life. So are steroids to blame because I deflated to 217? NO, I never used them.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Just to add one more thing since this really shocks me that people think like this…does younggully now believe that Dorian in that picture could not gain any more muscle naturally?

Do people really believe that Kevin Levrone at his smallest was as big as someone could get without steroids???

Really?

So, you guys walk around accusing everyone bigger than Dorian in that pic of steroid use???

Why the fuck are guys like that in a bodybuilding forum? Your own limited mental capacity for what can actually be achieved is so fucked there is no way in hell guys who think like that will ever stand out…even if they actually have the genetics to do so.[/quote]

Whos said any of that?