Since when is testosterone bad for the immune system?
I’m not talking about enhanced guys always overreaching and catching flu’s but naturally high test levels.
[quote]dpcavana wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]dpcavana wrote:
Have you ever wondered what post menopausal divorced or widowed women want?
Probably not. But there may be some people here that fall into the same dating category as myself. Mature gentleman who is single and still sexually active.
Part 1. It is very simple to get laid. With maturity comes experience and probably financial security. So put me in the same room with a mature woman who has not had any action in a while and get one drink into her and I can score more often than not. Getting into a relationship with her is the very difficult part.
Part 2. Relationship. Statistics show that 80% of mature single women are perfectly happy to stay single. They are like sexual camels. They can go a very long time without scratching the itch.
They have no idea what they want if they do want a relationship. They DO know what they DON’T want. They don’t want a guy who no longer cares about women. They don’t want a guy who is broke, fat, wears clothes from the 70s, stinks, is creepy, or who cant carry on a conversation. So if you pass the sniff test how do they decide?
Their friends. If they want to introduce you to their friends then you are fucked. Their friends won’t like you no matter what. Because you are taking one of their friends out of their social group and they don’t like that. Also they hate the fact that one of their group has scored and they are jealous and will do anything to break it up.
Their kids. Same as their friends. Nobody wants some dude fucking their mother. You will never be good enough for the kid’s approval. So when they want you to meet their kids find any excuse to decline. Also don’t have a FaceBook account. Their kids will find it and go back as far as possible and find something to use against you.
Their cat. This is where you make the big points. If their cat likes you then they will like you. Problem is fucking cats don’t like anybody. So cheat. Put catnip in your socks. When you meet the cat, the cat will start rubbing all over your ankles and showing a lot of attention. It appears that the cat likes you. You win. [/quote]
I’m not in this category, but my best friend is 13 years older than I am, so is, and it will be here eventually for me. I can’t see much changing between now and then (insofar as family, friends, cat). I’m surprised by your want-to-stay-single statistic, but a quick google supports that at least many women feel that way. That’s not the attitude of the women I know. My friends tend to be attachment-oriented and may not be representative, however I have to imagine that much of what you’ve said is specific to either you or the women you are dating, or possibly both.
My own experience as both a friend of women who are dating and as a divorced woman myself is that people want their loved ones to be happy. I’ve recently been subjected to an in-depth interview by my boyfriend’s daughter and can say that although the daughter is watchful she’s been incredibly welcoming, as has his entire family. Mine has been the same toward him. He and I are both decent people. How can they not like either of us? His daughter’s concern is normal and I accept it cheerfully. He’s a dad with protective kid - a good sign in my opinion. Do I want to be in a relationship with a guy no one’s protective of?
The first time he came over he had treats for the cat, who now only attacks him rarely. He tolerates her with what I think of as superhuman patience, and I appreciate him for it. He’s teaching her to play paw hockey with treats. Daisy is kind of an asshole, he would be justified in ignoring her, but he doesn’t. It makes me feel good. What else? He’s helped with one family move, has helped deal with babies who were spitting up, and has been helping my neighbor here and there because he has a broken ankle. I’ve assisted in his daughter’s house renovation and helped move his mom out of the house she’d lived in for one million years, as well as held fussy babies and chatted up old people at his family gatherings. It’s my job to make sure his mom doesn’t fall over when he’s parking the car when we take her home. She’s unsteady.
I’m on Facebook, and have been friended by his daughter as well as a niece and nephew. What do I care if they stalk my page? What dirt are they going to find? OH NO NOT THE APPLE PICKING PHOTOS FROM 2009!!!
So anyway, are you acting like someone they could see themselves in a relationship with? It’s weird that the women you’re encountering are attached to such uniformly unfriendly people and are so easily swayed by their opinions. This has not been my personal or observed experience at all.
Lastly, this:
Suggests that either you date idiots or you don’t have much respect for either all women or the ones you’re looking to pin down. Could this be the problem? If a man assumed that I was shallow enough to like or dislike people based on Daisy’s opinion of them as expressed by leg rubbing, I would have trouble being polite the during the time it took me to dump him.
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A very articulate and well thought out response. Your man is fortunate for having met you and I am happy that you don’t fall into the profile of people I have met. But by your admission you are quite a bit younger than most of the women I have been dating.
Join date 07, 4,000+ posts, You win the discussion by default, this being an internet forum.
I am going to go check my Plenty-Of-Fish account. A holiday weekend is approaching and I need to set up a few coffee shop meets. Still hoping to find the right match. [/quote]
I’ve been thinking more about this, dpcavana. (YOU HAVE MY ATTENTION, lol)
Some of the online dating sites are better for relationships, others for hookups. Obviously any of them can be used for either purpose, but you should make sure you’re positioned properly to attract what you’re looking for. My understanding is that Match or OKCupid are relationship sites, for example, while Craigslist and AdultFriendFinder are hookup sites. I think Plenty of Fish falls somewhere in the middle. I would try Match. It’s a paid site, so weeds out some of the ambivalent (or downright yucky) people.
Also, please feel free to join us in the Let’s Process Our Feelings thread, where we will happily mindfuck every aspect of your dating experience for free, with helpful tips included.
[quote]Spock81 wrote:
[quote]Severiano wrote:
[quote]Spock81 wrote:
I am sexually attracted to Jesse Pinkman and Goku.
Just thought everyone should know.[/quote]
Were you attracted to Jesse off the bat? Or have you become attracted to him over a period of time?[/quote]
Well, I am glad you asked my friend!
I wasn’t attracted to him at first, but I thought he was super cute when he said “cow house” instead of barn.
However, I didn’t feel sexually attracted to him until later seasons when his compassion for kids and whatnot became blatantly obvious.
Near the very end I was madly in love with him and I had trouble sleeping when stupid f**$#&#($&#(@ TODD ASSHOLE HAD HIM LOCKED UP !!!
HOW
HOW could he DO THAT AHhhhhhhhhhhhh
I wasn’t sexually attracted to Goku at first either. I thought he was a really nice guy and everything, but he was just so darn innocent.
BUT THEN
SUPER SAIYAN
ROAR
Actually, I think I am somewhat more sexually attracted to Vegeta than Goku.
I am not sure, it all depends on my mood really…
In real life I don’t become sexually attracted to people until I get to know them and they make me laugh.
I have slept with some really ugly people because they were super funny.
They were broke too, so don’tcha all bring money up!! [/quote]
The Goku analogy is pretty sweet actually. You didn’t really find him attractive until you were able to see that visceral side of him. With him it’s kinda like the goodness in him was granted, but being good and innocent isn’t enough. Really the key ingredient was seeing his badassery.
Vegeta as a character is self serving, sometimes he’s agreeable because his ends are the same as others, and you think you see a glimpse of good in him. This is the bad boy. Probably bad news, but my guess is you really, really like him when he’s being good?
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]dpcavana wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]dpcavana wrote:
[/quote]
I’ve been thinking more about this, dpcavana. (YOU HAVE MY ATTENTION, lol)
Some of the online dating sites are better for relationships, others for hookups. Obviously any of them can be used for either purpose, but you should make sure you’re positioned properly to attract what you’re looking for. My understanding is that Match or OKCupid are relationship sites, for example, while Craigslist and AdultFriendFinder are hookup sites. I think Plenty of Fish falls somewhere in the middle. I would try Match. It’s a paid site, so weeds out some of the ambivalent (or downright yucky) people.
Also, please feel free to join us in the Let’s Process Our Feelings thread, where we will happily mindfuck every aspect of your dating experience for free, with helpful tips included.
[/quote]
I hope having your attention is a good thing and not like having the attention of Sister Mary Francis in grade school, which meant I was in for a long and creative torture session.
RE Craigslist:
What a special sort of place to meet people. Couple of weeks ago I placed an ad in STRICTLY PLATONIC both men’s and women’s looking for a hiking partner for a hiking/climbing trip to Big Bend. Mostly hoping to find someone to share gas expenses but also for safety reasons. You can easily die out there in the summer if you get lost or injured.
First response was from a Transvestite from Baytown who wanted to be my hiking partner. He, or she, as they prefer to be called has never been hiking and appeared to be so skinny that she would be incapable of carrying a backpack.
Next two responses were from gays, asking for my “stats” and a photo of my equipment.
The third was from one of my friends trolling my ad. He wrote that he was a divorced female, pharmaceutical sales rep, loves to hunt and fish as well as backpack and hike, and would I mind sharing a sleeping bag on the trip.
Craigslist’s most useful purpose is for selling a used bicycle, not meeting people. Not meeting normal people anyway.
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]dpcavana wrote:
I’ve been thinking more about this, dpcavana. (YOU HAVE MY ATTENTION, lol)
Some of the online dating sites are better for relationships, others for hookups. Obviously any of them can be used for either purpose, but you should make sure you’re positioned properly to attract what you’re looking for. My understanding is that Match or OKCupid are relationship sites, for example, while Craigslist and AdultFriendFinder are hookup sites. I think Plenty of Fish falls somewhere in the middle. I would try Match. It’s a paid site, so weeds out some of the ambivalent (or downright yucky) people.
Also, please feel free to join us in the Let’s Process Our Feelings thread, where we will happily mindfuck every aspect of your dating experience for free, with helpful tips included.
[/quote]
I hope having your attention is a good thing and not like having the attention of Sister Mary Francis in grade school, which meant I was in for a long and creative torture session. [/quote]
Hahaha. I suppose you’ll have to find out for yourself!
[quote]
RE Craigslist:
What a special sort of place to meet people. Couple of weeks ago I placed an ad in STRICTLY PLATONIC both men’s and women’s looking for a hiking partner for a hiking/climbing trip to Big Bend. Mostly hoping to find someone to share gas expenses but also for safety reasons. You can easily die out there in the summer if you get lost or injured.
First response was from a Transvestite from Baytown who wanted to be my hiking partner. He, or she, as they prefer to be called has never been hiking and appeared to be so skinny that she would be incapable of carrying a backpack.
Next two responses were from gays, asking for my “stats” and a photo of my equipment.
The third was from one of my friends trolling my ad. He wrote that he was a divorced female, pharmaceutical sales rep, loves to hunt and fish as well as backpack and hike, and would I mind sharing a sleeping bag on the trip.
Craigslist’s most useful purpose is for selling a used bicycle, not meeting people. Not meeting normal people anyway. [/quote]
Yeah, I’ve heard lots of bad things about craigslist personals.
I would try Match.com, it seems to be the most reliable of the larger sites.
If I recall correctly, somewhere in this thread EmilyQ alluded to relationships encompassing more than physical attraction. And I believe she was speaking of serious ADULT relationships, not flings.
Let us look to what a relationship encompasses, some of which are fun and games while others have practically nothing to do with fun and recreation:
paying bills and managing money
dealing with a partner’s parents (in-laws or future in-laws if you are married or engaged) and other family members
chores upon chores and errands upon errands
paying attention to a partner even when you don’t want to talk or listen to anyone or anything
making various concessions in one’s lifestyle to accommodate the needs or desires of others (can’t exactly say when invited to a baptism, wedding, or whatever, “Sorry pal, I got a big leg workout scheduled then”).
sex
fun (none of which involves anything to do with the religion of bodybuilding according to about 99% of women)
child raising.
Yes, there are women out there for whom I’m sure having a nice body is a deal breaker, but they are a tiny minority. When most women assess a guy, they think of the guy’s social circle, job, attitude, lifestyle, and so on. And even women who are not fitness fanatics but appreciate a nice body, want absolutely nothing to do with the religion of bodybuilding. This is one hears many puffed up gym boys say stuff like, “I can’t believe that guy gets laid; look at his body; he looks like shit!” For most women, having an above average is a nice addition to everything discussed. If some buff guy is deficient in the areas I’ve discussed it is highly unlikely he can maintain a relationship.
A lot of buff guy also do not know when to to turn their hobby off. I know one natural pro who recently had a miserable time on a cruise with his wife because the gym was not up to par and the food was not to his liking. Cruises usually have cardio machines, resistance machines like Nautilus, and dumbbells. Does one think they’re gonna have a hardcore pit on ship in which people will bench 315+ and squat 405+ as the ship sways side to side and to and fro? Most women do not want to go a on a goddamn cruise or any vacation venture that is dependent on muscles! I mean close to NONE! So as good as muscles are, if some guy is going to put them front and center while some chic is simply to try to enjoy life, then forget it! It is not uncommon to see some women go out with gym buffs and then wind up with a more physically ordinary guy afterwards.
As much as I love this stuff, I have learned to tame it, and simply accept the fact that I will likely wind up with pounds less of muscle and on a barbell compared to if I moved to the top of mountain, retired from society and lived like a muscle building monk. And the important people I have in my life–family, friends, fiance–would be there even if I was skinny or (gasp) a bit flabby. Oh, I would have also dated and had as much physical intimacy in my life as well, come to think of it.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
And the important people I have in my life–family, friends, fiance–would be there even if I was skinny or (gasp) a bit flabby.[/quote]
They’d still be there if you got a bit flabby that’s for sure. If you were just skinny though… No way man. Everyone you ever loved would leave you. “How could I care about someone without traps?” They would say.
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
And the important people I have in my life–family, friends, fiance–would be there even if I was skinny or (gasp) a bit flabby.[/quote]
They’d still be there if you got a bit flabby that’s for sure. If you were just skinny though… No way man. Everyone you ever loved would leave you. “How could I care about someone without traps?” They would say.[/quote]
Literal LOL! 
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[/quote]
Brick, if I haven’t said it already, been enjoying these posts of your over the last few years re the BB/training lifestyle and how it fits into the rest of your life. Just so spot on.
I’m about your age I think (33), married with a kid, and training’s been my obsession for 20 years now. Still need to check myself sometimes that adding another inch to my arms or 50 lb to my bench is all well and good, but in the grander scheme of things it means shit. Particularly if it comes at a cost of family, work, friends, spirituality, and other stuff that you know, actually matters. Not that I’d let it, but I can see how hard it can be to take the blinkers off.
And yeah, my wife honestly couldn’t care less if I was 10 kg of muscle lighter of 10 kg of fat heavier. Because us training nuts obsess about and quantify everything, we know where we’re at and where we want to be - but to 99.99% of the world we’re simply jacked.
[quote]justrob wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[/quote]
Brick, if I haven’t said it already, been enjoying these posts of your over the last few years re the BB/training lifestyle and how it fits into the rest of your life. Just so spot on.
I’m about your age I think (33), married with a kid, and training’s been my obsession for 20 years now. Still need to check myself sometimes that adding another inch to my arms or 50 lb to my bench is all well and good, but in the grander scheme of things it means shit. Particularly if it comes at a cost of family, work, friends, spirituality, and other stuff that you know, actually matters. Not that I’d let it, but I can see how hard it can be to take the blinkers off.
And yeah, my wife honestly couldn’t care less if I was 10 kg of muscle lighter of 10 kg of fat heavier. Because us training nuts obsess about and quantify everything, we know where we’re at and where we want to be - but to 99.99% of the world we’re simply jacked. [/quote]
Thank you very much!
Good post.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
If I recall correctly, somewhere in this thread EmilyQ alluded to relationships encompassing more than physical attraction. And I believe she was speaking of serious ADULT relationships, not flings.
Let us look to what a relationship encompasses, some of which are fun and games while others have practically nothing to do with fun and recreation:
paying bills and managing money
dealing with a partner’s parents (in-laws or future in-laws if you are married or engaged) and other family members
chores upon chores and errands upon errands
paying attention to a partner even when you don’t want to talk or listen to anyone or anything
making various concessions in one’s lifestyle to accommodate the needs or desires of others (can’t exactly say when invited to a baptism, wedding, or whatever, “Sorry pal, I got a big leg workout scheduled then”).
sex
fun (none of which involves anything to do with the religion of bodybuilding according to about 99% of women)
child raising.
Yes, there are women out there for whom I’m sure having a nice body is a deal breaker, but they are a tiny minority. When most women assess a guy, they think of the guy’s social circle, job, attitude, lifestyle, and so on. And even women who are not fitness fanatics but appreciate a nice body, want absolutely nothing to do with the religion of bodybuilding. This is one hears many puffed up gym boys say stuff like, “I can’t believe that guy gets laid; look at his body; he looks like shit!” For most women, having an above average is a nice addition to everything discussed. If some buff guy is deficient in the areas I’ve discussed it is highly unlikely he can maintain a relationship.
A lot of buff guy also do not know when to to turn their hobby off. I know one natural pro who recently had a miserable time on a cruise with his wife because the gym was not up to par and the food was not to his liking. Cruises usually have cardio machines, resistance machines like Nautilus, and dumbbells. Does one think they’re gonna have a hardcore pit on ship in which people will bench 315+ and squat 405+ as the ship sways side to side and to and fro? Most women do not want to go a on a goddamn cruise or any vacation venture that is dependent on muscles! I mean close to NONE! So as good as muscles are, if some guy is going to put them front and center while some chic is simply to try to enjoy life, then forget it! It is not uncommon to see some women go out with gym buffs and then wind up with a more physically ordinary guy afterwards.
As much as I love this stuff, I have learned to tame it, and simply accept the fact that I will likely wind up with pounds less of muscle and on a barbell compared to if I moved to the top of mountain, retired from society and lived like a muscle building monk. And the important people I have in my life–family, friends, fiance–would be there even if I was skinny or (gasp) a bit flabby. Oh, I would have also dated and had as much physical intimacy in my life as well, come to think of it. [/quote]
that really was a very good post
[quote]Yogi wrote:
that really was a very good post[/quote]
Thanks!
[quote]Yogi wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
If I recall correctly, somewhere in this thread EmilyQ alluded to relationships encompassing more than physical attraction. And I believe she was speaking of serious ADULT relationships, not flings.
Let us look to what a relationship encompasses, some of which are fun and games while others have practically nothing to do with fun and recreation:
paying bills and managing money
dealing with a partner’s parents (in-laws or future in-laws if you are married or engaged) and other family members
chores upon chores and errands upon errands
paying attention to a partner even when you don’t want to talk or listen to anyone or anything
making various concessions in one’s lifestyle to accommodate the needs or desires of others (can’t exactly say when invited to a baptism, wedding, or whatever, “Sorry pal, I got a big leg workout scheduled then”).
sex
fun (none of which involves anything to do with the religion of bodybuilding according to about 99% of women)
child raising.
Yes, there are women out there for whom I’m sure having a nice body is a deal breaker, but they are a tiny minority. When most women assess a guy, they think of the guy’s social circle, job, attitude, lifestyle, and so on. And even women who are not fitness fanatics but appreciate a nice body, want absolutely nothing to do with the religion of bodybuilding. This is one hears many puffed up gym boys say stuff like, “I can’t believe that guy gets laid; look at his body; he looks like shit!” For most women, having an above average is a nice addition to everything discussed. If some buff guy is deficient in the areas I’ve discussed it is highly unlikely he can maintain a relationship.
A lot of buff guy also do not know when to to turn their hobby off. I know one natural pro who recently had a miserable time on a cruise with his wife because the gym was not up to par and the food was not to his liking. Cruises usually have cardio machines, resistance machines like Nautilus, and dumbbells. Does one think they’re gonna have a hardcore pit on ship in which people will bench 315+ and squat 405+ as the ship sways side to side and to and fro? Most women do not want to go a on a goddamn cruise or any vacation venture that is dependent on muscles! I mean close to NONE! So as good as muscles are, if some guy is going to put them front and center while some chic is simply to try to enjoy life, then forget it! It is not uncommon to see some women go out with gym buffs and then wind up with a more physically ordinary guy afterwards.
As much as I love this stuff, I have learned to tame it, and simply accept the fact that I will likely wind up with pounds less of muscle and on a barbell compared to if I moved to the top of mountain, retired from society and lived like a muscle building monk. And the important people I have in my life–family, friends, fiance–would be there even if I was skinny or (gasp) a bit flabby. Oh, I would have also dated and had as much physical intimacy in my life as well, come to think of it. [/quote]
that really was a very good post[/quote]
Well said yes
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Yogi wrote:
that really was a very good post[/quote]
Thanks![/quote]
no worries. I take it you’re familiar with a website that asks if you’re a “bodybuilding douche”?
[quote]Yogi wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Yogi wrote:
that really was a very good post[/quote]
Thanks![/quote]
no worries. I take it you’re familiar with a website that asks if you’re a “bodybuilding douche”?[/quote]
Asks if you’re a BBD or endlessly discusses BBD’s and BBDism?
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Yogi wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Yogi wrote:
that really was a very good post[/quote]
Thanks![/quote]
no worries. I take it you’re familiar with a website that asks if you’re a “bodybuilding douche”?[/quote]
Asks if you’re a BBD or endlessly discusses BBD’s and BBDism? :)[/quote]
that’s the one!
That website saved my life; I was teetering on the edge of becoming a BBD myself.
Some really good thoughts in here. I know everyone probably assumes I’d be the 100% bodybuilding 100% of the time because of my competition history, but I think the reason I’m as sane as I am, is that I’ve always viewed the sport simply as one of the things I like to do, not as the sole element that defines me.
It’s funny, because most of the other Natural Pros I know have jobs that have nothing to do with fitness, spouses that look “normal” (meaning non-competitors), and really can’t be bothered spending time on web forums arguing with anonymous personas about how much they know.
The title of the thread made me think though. Before I was married, I did just fine with the ladies, BUT, despite having a pretty solid build, I don’t think I ever dressed to show it off. In fact, several of my female friends used to tease me about being too humble. In actuality, I didn’t want my build to be the focus point with anyone I met. Sure it certainly contributed to my self confidence because I had worked hard and earned something I wanted, but I’d like to think the internalized benefits made me more of a man than the eternal ones.
S
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
despite having a pretty solid build, I don’t think I ever dressed to show it off. In fact, several of my female friends used to tease me about being too humble. In actuality, I didn’t want my build to be the focus point with anyone I met. Sure it certainly contributed to my self confidence because I had worked hard and earned something I wanted, but I’d like to think the internalized benefits made me more of a man than the eternal ones.
S[/quote]
I’m the same, I’ve never dressed to show it off either. I downplay it when asked and never mention that I go to the gym to anyone.
Just don’t want it to be a defining characteristic.
[quote]Yogi wrote:
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
despite having a pretty solid build, I don’t think I ever dressed to show it off. In fact, several of my female friends used to tease me about being too humble. In actuality, I didn’t want my build to be the focus point with anyone I met. Sure it certainly contributed to my self confidence because I had worked hard and earned something I wanted, but I’d like to think the internalized benefits made me more of a man than the eternal ones.
S[/quote]
I’m the same, I’ve never dressed to show it off either. I downplay it when asked and never mention that I go to the gym to anyone.
Just don’t want it to be a defining characteristic.[/quote]
I dress the same way. It’s not what I want focused on