Bob Sapp vs Little Japanese Girls

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

I’m really disappointed in this thinking from a seemingly intelligent man. So, you telling me you’re just a plane ticket to Japan away from collecting some money while pacing back and forth at the zoo with a banana? I don’t get why you miss MY point; I don’t care where the idiot is…HE knows the connotation. And, HE has no respect for himself. [/quote]

You’re an idiot. No, seriously. I wrote above, in ENGLISH, that there was no way I would do that and I listed why…because I live in America and live my life by American social rules. He is living in Japan and they have VERY DIFFERENT cultural views. He has also been there for YEARS. I doubt he was thinking of America at all when they asked him to be on that show and it isn’t his job to live his life by my rules or yours.

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Let me break it down for you; It’s as if your sister sucked anyone’s cock for money, albeit wrong here in the U.S., its perfectly legal and morally acceptable in an imaginary country called Cocksuckerformonia. In your way of thinking, your sister sucking cock for money is OK, as long as she does it in Cocksuckerformonia.[/quote]

This doesn’t even deserve to be responded to. The more you type, the dumber you sound.

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Sorry Prof, but in my book, a dick in your mouth in Cocksuckerformonia is the same as a dick in your mouth in the US. And a banana in your mouth in Japan, is the same as in the US. I may be over the top, but its the same logic you’re applying.[/quote]

I explained different cultural examples and you still don’t get it. In fact, you show that even discussing this is a waste of time, but I will humor this discussion by at least showing that I read the crap you wrote. Open your eyes and one day you may figure that the entire world does not think like you.

The entire world did not have your experiences and thusly does not hold your same biases, opinions and values. To ignore this is dumb, plain and simple.

At risk of sounding like some internet tough guy, I can assure you that speaking directly in front of me regarding family members of mine the way you have would probably elicit a very strong physical response. I would of course then apologize and say, “That is how we do it in America on my side of town”.

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
barbos01 wrote:
Thank you Professor.

Now, TheBodyGuard, one of the charataristics you appear to share with the Japanese is the folly of pride. There is NO abication of diginity or self respect on the the part of Sapp in doing what he is doing over there. He apparently does not share your self-rightousness.

Oh please, there is not a shred of self-righteousness here…I’m a white man and I could care less what Sapp does. He won’t make a penny from me and he’s not even a good fighter. I could care less if he puts a banana in his mouth, one in his ass, and chases Faye Raye (sp?) up the side of the Empire State Building. I could really care less - I don’t, as they say, have a dog in that fight.
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Then why, pray tell, do you expect me to feel differently? It is self righteous and racially biased to assume that I should take racial offense to anyone who is the same color as me acting in any way that I would not myself. That is retarded and racist.

Some black guy steals a car in New York…I should take this as a racial hit and a reflection of me? Do you represent all white people? The fact that you don’t see the problem here is enough in itself to prove my point. Racism exists BECAUSE of mentalities like yours.

To TheBodyGuard

So, he ate a banana in front of a monkey. He ate hay in front of a goat. Dirty dried out grass. HAY OFF THE DIRTY GROUND!!! He also cuddled with a cute little guinea pig. He was at the zoo.

Should he have done everything but ignored the monkeys? I’m sure if he told the director of the clip that he didn’t want to interact with the monkeys because some white guy in America migth think he was living a sterotype, the director would have reminded him he was in Japan and at the zoo.

Simmer down white boy. Simmer down.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

That dude is getting PAID to be a spectacle over there. I would let people stare at me crazy if it made me a millionaire as well. As tall and as big as he is, I am sure they treat him like they might treat…damn, isn’t a bad thing when no pop stars jump into your mind that stand out above all others? Pop culture sucks in America lately.[/quote]

Bodygaurd to your credit X has flipflopped on this, from supporting the action to being neutral ( and stating he personally wouldnt do ) and then when everybody said that it probably wasnt a racist thing he didnt say a whole lot about it. But it is a good thing to be sensitive about racist events because we need to keep our society as good as it can be. After all, the white people brought blacks over in the first place right?

flipflop - seeing the other side and not holding not your belief like it the the ultimate truth. Hell, if I didn’t flipflop on training, I’d still be doing what Mens Health told me to.

[quote]sugarfree wrote:
flipflop - seeing the other side and not holding not your belief like it the the ultimate truth. Hell, if I didn’t flipflop on training, I’d still be doing what Mens Health told me to.[/quote]

look he went back and forth on his stated opinion i call that flipflopping. anyway this is a dumb arguement its all the same no matter what label we put on things eh?

[quote]jacktors wrote:
Professor X wrote:

That dude is getting PAID to be a spectacle over there. I would let people stare at me crazy if it made me a millionaire as well. As tall and as big as he is, I am sure they treat him like they might treat…damn, isn’t a bad thing when no pop stars jump into your mind that stand out above all others? Pop culture sucks in America lately.

Bodygaurd to your credit X has flipflopped on this, from supporting the action to being neutral ( and stating he personally wouldnt do ) and then when everybody said that it probably wasnt a racist thing he didnt say a whole lot about it. But it is a good thing to be sensitive about racist events because we need to keep our society as good as it can be. After all, the white people brought blacks over in the first place right?[/quote]

What the living fuck did I flip flop on? I wrote to begin with that I could not view the video until much later at night. THUS, everything written before I viewed the video is based on my past knowledge of what he does over there. After viewing it, I then wrote that I would not do that specific act but that I see nothing wrong with HIM doing it. That isn’t flip flopping on anything, you freaking moron. Learn to read.

[quote]jacktors wrote:
sugarfree wrote:
flipflop - seeing the other side and not holding not your belief like it the the ultimate truth. Hell, if I didn’t flipflop on training, I’d still be doing what Mens Health told me to.

look he went back and forth on his stated opinion i call that flipflopping. anyway this is a dumb arguement its all the same no matter what label we put on things eh?[/quote]

And you missed me writing that I could not view this video from my current location because? Please tell me you are not a teacher or anyone who has direct influence on others’ development.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
TheBodyGuard wrote:

At risk of sounding like some internet tough guy, I can assure you that speaking directly in front of me regarding family members of mine the way you have would probably elicit a very strong physical response. I would of course then apologize and say, “That is how we do it in America on my side of town”.[/quote]

That’s the funniest shit I ever saw you write; you risked it so I’ll respond by simply saying, you better get your weight up…and your height.

I’m currently living in Japan for the second time. I have lived 6 out of the last 12 years in this country. I have experienced almost no racism against me in all that time.
There was one incident I can recall. Once a drunk yakuza wannabe said ‘Gaijin go home’ to me on the street, I insulted him back, and he rushed me.

I wrapped my hands around his throat and started to choke him out as he feebly swung his arms at me, but my arms were at full extension, and he couldn’t even reach me. Police arrived on the scene and passers-by who had witnessed the incident stuck up for me. The police locked the other guy away for the night to sober up and I was let go without so much as a warning.

If the police were racist, why would they not arrest the big ugly foreigner? And why would the passers-by stick up for me?

Usually being foreign is an advantage over here. Some people go out of their way to be friendly. You get opportunities Japanese people may not get- offers of jobs, gifts, invitations to this and that, etc. But the majority of people on the street etc treat me no differently from anyone else.

Old ladies have even stopped me on the street and asked me for directions. I guess I must project being a veteran here.

As for Bob Sapp- is he being exploited? Bullshit. He has marketed himself brilliantly. He has devised ‘The Beast’ persona as a way to cash in commercially. He knows he has a limited career span in MMA, and he’s a crap fighter anyway. But he is making money hand-over-fist, and will no doubt be living like a king for the rest of his life. Good for him.

I got two planes tickets waiting…one; destination Japan with all the bananas you can eat; the other, cocksuckerformonia, with all the lollipops you can lick. Guess who and his sister won the tickets?

These are the last of my stupid words on the subject…lest “I’ve been reading my clippings and I look like Treach so I must be tough but I never stand up in my pictures” gets even more upset at me (and I’d twist Treach in a pretzel too).

How can he be so mad at someone that is willing to pay his airfare to the great land of Japan - where even the spectacle of a black man eating bananas and taunting the monkeys is not offensive…it should be a uptopia for the Prof…I’m sure no native there will question that he is the good doctor.

And by the way, if you’re a doc, stop with the prison poses…you know, squatting down and such…on the outside, we pose standing up.

And lastly, by the way, I did not pick you to represent your race - you weren’t my first pick, or my last - I’ve read plenty of your posts…I was merely surprised you didn’t jump all over Sapp.

[quote]thabigdon24 wrote:

I can understand how some black people would be offended at videos connecting a black guy with bananas and gorillas but these racist jokes are foreign to the mainstream japanese audience. Im sure that the average japanese viewer may know what a N word is but not a ignorant joke comparing blacks to apes.

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I think people are missing the point on this one. Bob Sapp’s nickname is ‘The Beast’. That’s why he was in a cage in the zoo. Beast- animal- zoo. Get it? As for eating bananas, I have seen him eat bananas on TV over here lots of times. I have also seen him put a whole apple in his mouth and then spit it out or crush fruit into pulp with his bare hands. It’s his gimmick.

The Japanese were a very racist people. They used to believe in a heirarchy, which went like this:
Gods
Japanese
Whites
Other Asians
Blacks

No-one believes in this shit these days, except for a few older people. Young people seem very open-minded toward foreigners. Sometimes they treat us as oddities, but that’s just because of a lack of contact with gaijin. Japan is still 99% Japanese. It’s a very homogeneous country.

And while they do often treat gaijin differently, different does not usually mean negatively. Usually the opposite is true. It’s a mixture of curiosity and wonder. And as for blacks, over here now, black culture, music, black athletes, is riding a wave of popularity. And don’t ask me about how much tail a black guy who comes over here can score.

My Samoan friends back home have copped far more racism in their lives than I have ever copped over here.

Like I said, Bodyguard, your ways were visible from the start. Congratulations. Perhaps those who couldn’t see it before have better vision.

deanosumo, thank you for your posts. They were enlightening. Of all of the people I have spoken to who have been there, none seem to speak of it in a negative way.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
jacktors wrote:
sugarfree wrote:
flipflop - seeing the other side and not holding not your belief like it the the ultimate truth. Hell, if I didn’t flipflop on training, I’d still be doing what Mens Health told me to.

look he went back and forth on his stated opinion i call that flipflopping. anyway this is a dumb arguement its all the same no matter what label we put on things eh?

And you missed me writing that I could not view this video from my current location because? Please tell me you are not a teacher or anyone who has direct influence on others’ development.[/quote]

I was just pointing out that you were letting other people think for you before you really got a chance to view things for yourself.

btw: you are a doctor right? If you jump to conclusions with a patient you are just waiting for an incident to happen with their health. Have a good evening.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Like I said, Bodyguard, your ways were visible from the start. Congratulations. Perhaps those who couldn’t see it before have better vision. [/quote]

Thank you…I took a break and now I’m healed…

I just got done watching Hustle and Flow and I watched the Sapp video again…and thanks to all your help, I think I’m on the path.

I just watched the Sapp vid again and yes, yes, I see it now…there is nothing wrong with it. LOL.

Whoop that trick get it, whoop that trick get it…whooop that trick.

Excuse me now, before I piss myself.

By the way, I appreciate the measured post of the gentlemen whose name I forgot but, as he points out, blacks are down at the bottom in the eyes of the Japs. Yes, black athletes, celeberties etc, are riding a wave of popularity throughout the world…but I know many a racist here that would marvel at Michael Jordan and still call you a nigger.

In all seriousness, I apologize to you Prof…I have no agenda and I have no dog in this fight. Sapp is not my problem. Good nite to you…on to the next topic.

[quote]jacktors wrote:
Professor X wrote:
jacktors wrote:
sugarfree wrote:
flipflop - seeing the other side and not holding not your belief like it the the ultimate truth. Hell, if I didn’t flipflop on training, I’d still be doing what Mens Health told me to.

look he went back and forth on his stated opinion i call that flipflopping. anyway this is a dumb arguement its all the same no matter what label we put on things eh?

And you missed me writing that I could not view this video from my current location because? Please tell me you are not a teacher or anyone who has direct influence on others’ development.

I was just pointing out that you were letting other people think for you before you really got a chance to view things for yourself.

btw: you are a doctor right? If you jump to conclusions with a patient you are just waiting for an incident to happen with their health. Have a good evening.[/quote]

Jump to conclusions? The guy is over there to get paid. My opinion has not changed about that at all, so what are you talking about? You related this to medical health? Wow.

You want me to spell it out for you don?t you? Fine.

"That dude is getting PAID to be a spectacle over there. I would let people stare at me crazy if it made me a millionaire as well. As tall and as big as he is, I am sure they treat him like they might treat…damn, isn’t a bad thing when no pop stars jump into your mind that stand out above all others? Pop culture sucks in America lately. "

This is a overwhelmingly positive message towards sapp and the event in question.

" That is exactly how many view the native Japanese response to blacks. That is why I feel if he can take them for all the money he can, more power to him. It isn’t like he is truly hurting race relations…because there were none to begin with. I haven’t seen the clip, however, and won’t be able to until much later on, but my guess is, if it were in America I would be much more offended simply because of the difference in perception of those involved. "

Now you imply that you are offended, and therefore that the Japanese were at least being insensitive ( because this is the issue and possibly racist) but still think sapp is clever for doing this.

" I just watched the link. There is no way I would do that for money. He obviously doesn’t give a shit. What I do find amazing, however, is that if it were a white man doing it, he would NOT be compared to the entire white race or the civil rights movement or any other large racial event in history. He would simply be a guy who is doing degrading shit for pay in Japan. Because he is black, every black man in America is supposed to somehow become offended and feel as if he is setting us all back. Then some of you claim you don’t understand why race is still an issue? It is because most of you still make it one. Surprise.

Bob Sapp can do whatever the fuck Bob Sapp wants to do. Bob Sapp is not me or any other black man in this country. I personally wouldn’t be caught doing what did in that video for pay. I am sure that MOST black men wouldn’t do it, but then, most black men have not lived in Japan for long periods of time so I have no clue what his experiences have been or how well he gets along with the people there. "

After you jumped the gun and came to the premature conclusion that this was at least somewhat racist you throw up your hands and disavow the whole thing saying he can do whatever he wants and give another speech.

“Now, does this mean that Japan should think the same? What do they even know about blacks enslaved here or the crap surrounding it for centuries? Until recently, their media was decades behind ours in terms of American Images.”

Here you are flip-flopping from your earlier posts where you implied that it was racist. At least you are thinking before you automatically jump the gun about the racism bit. However I do like your philosophical approach to figuring it out. Keep it up.

I was relating this to medical health because it seems that we have to communicate with stupid insults, which YOU started. There is no way that a doctor could be that fickle and keep his job. Evening.

[quote]jacktors wrote:
You want me to spell it out for you don?t you? Fine.

"That dude is getting PAID to be a spectacle over there. I would let people stare at me crazy if it made me a millionaire as well. As tall and as big as he is, I am sure they treat him like they might treat…damn, isn’t a bad thing when no pop stars jump into your mind that stand out above all others? Pop culture sucks in America lately. "

This is a overwhelmingly positive message towards sapp and the event in question.[/quote]

This is where you show your level of comprehension. I know what he does over there in terms of his image. My response is based on that, NOT the “event in question”. This would be something you would know if you read my later responses saying that I couldn’t view the video tape. I wasn’t shocked by the video at all. I personally wouldn’t happily run after Japanese girls as they screamed on a tv show here in America. I also see nothing wrong with him doing it in Japan.

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" That is exactly how many view the native Japanese response to blacks. That is why I feel if he can take them for all the money he can, more power to him. It isn’t like he is truly hurting race relations…because there were none to begin with. I haven’t seen the clip, however, and won’t be able to until much later on, but my guess is, if it were in America I would be much more offended simply because of the difference in perception of those involved. "

Now you imply that you are offended, and therefore that the Japanese were at least being insensitive ( because this is the issue and possibly racist) but still think sapp is clever for doing this. [/quote]

That response was in reference to a perceived racism by many blacks when it comes to native asians, not this video itself. Why does this need to be spelled out for you? You couldn’t follow the discussion?

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" I just watched the link. There is no way I would do that for money. He obviously doesn’t give a shit. What I do find amazing, however, is that if it were a white man doing it, he would NOT be compared to the entire white race or the civil rights movement or any other large racial event in history. He would simply be a guy who is doing degrading shit for pay in Japan. Because he is black, every black man in America is supposed to somehow become offended and feel as if he is setting us all back. Then some of you claim you don’t understand why race is still an issue? It is because most of you still make it one. Surprise.

Bob Sapp can do whatever the fuck Bob Sapp wants to do. Bob Sapp is not me or any other black man in this country. I personally wouldn’t be caught doing what did in that video for pay. I am sure that MOST black men wouldn’t do it, but then, most black men have not lived in Japan for long periods of time so I have no clue what his experiences have been or how well he gets along with the people there. "

After you jumped the gun and came to the premature conclusion that this was at least somewhat racist you throw up your hands and disavow the whole thing saying he can do whatever he wants and give another speech.[/quote]

What? My whole point from the start is he can do what he wants. You missed this?

[quote]
“Now, does this mean that Japan should think the same? What do they even know about blacks enslaved here or the crap surrounding it for centuries? Until recently, their media was decades behind ours in terms of American Images.”

Here you are flip-flopping from your earlier posts where you implied that it was racist. At least you are thinking before you automatically jump the gun about the racism bit. However I do like your philosophical approach to figuring it out. Keep it up.[/quote]

Read above. I was NOT referring to the video being racist. Keep up or stay out of the conversation. I did NOT see the video as being racist at all. It is perceived by many that there is a general racism towards blacks from native asians. I was informed by a few who have lived there in this thread that this is not the case. I can write this 500 more times if it will take that long for you to figure out what is being said.

Fickle? You couldn’t follow this discussion without Cliff Notes. You ASSUMED that I meant something that I didn’t mean and then accused me of jumping to conclusions. It was you who misunderstood, and instead of asking for clarification, you chose to throw accusations of “flip flopping”. My position has not changed throughout this entire thread in any way. There are things that I would not do in THIS country because of the culture and perception HERE. There are things that I WOULD do in Japan because of the difference in culture and perception OVER THERE. Regardless of different culture, however, my values that I live by would remain intact. The same way we would expect someone from another country to abide by our rules of culture here in America is the same reason he can do things that might even go against American culture there and it will be just fine. This concept is basic and, I hope, is understood by the majority…you excluded, of course.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
jacktors wrote:
You want me to spell it out for you don?t you? Fine.

"That dude is getting PAID to be a spectacle over there. I would let people stare at me crazy if it made me a millionaire as well. As tall and as big as he is, I am sure they treat him like they might treat…damn, isn’t a bad thing when no pop stars jump into your mind that stand out above all others? Pop culture sucks in America lately. "

This is a overwhelmingly positive message towards sapp and the event in question.

This is where you show your level of comprehension. I know what he does over there in terms of his image. My response is based on that, NOT the “event in question”. This would be something you would know if you read my later responses saying that I couldn’t view the video tape. I wasn’t shocked by the video at all. I personally wouldn’t happily run after Japanese girls as they screamed on a tv show here in America. I also see nothing wrong with him doing it in Japan.

" That is exactly how many view the native Japanese response to blacks. That is why I feel if he can take them for all the money he can, more power to him. It isn’t like he is truly hurting race relations…because there were none to begin with. I haven’t seen the clip, however, and won’t be able to until much later on, but my guess is, if it were in America I would be much more offended simply because of the difference in perception of those involved. "

Now you imply that you are offended, and therefore that the Japanese were at least being insensitive ( because this is the issue and possibly racist) but still think sapp is clever for doing this.

That response was in reference to a perceived racism by many blacks when it comes to native asians, not this video itself. Why does this need to be spelled out for you? You couldn’t follow the discussion?

" I just watched the link. There is no way I would do that for money. He obviously doesn’t give a shit. What I do find amazing, however, is that if it were a white man doing it, he would NOT be compared to the entire white race or the civil rights movement or any other large racial event in history. He would simply be a guy who is doing degrading shit for pay in Japan. Because he is black, every black man in America is supposed to somehow become offended and feel as if he is setting us all back. Then some of you claim you don’t understand why race is still an issue? It is because most of you still make it one. Surprise.

Bob Sapp can do whatever the fuck Bob Sapp wants to do. Bob Sapp is not me or any other black man in this country. I personally wouldn’t be caught doing what did in that video for pay. I am sure that MOST black men wouldn’t do it, but then, most black men have not lived in Japan for long periods of time so I have no clue what his experiences have been or how well he gets along with the people there. "

After you jumped the gun and came to the premature conclusion that this was at least somewhat racist you throw up your hands and disavow the whole thing saying he can do whatever he wants and give another speech.

“Now, does this mean that Japan should think the same? What do they even know about blacks enslaved here or the crap surrounding it for centuries? Until recently, their media was decades behind ours in terms of American Images.”

Here you are flip-flopping from your earlier posts where you implied that it was racist. At least you are thinking before you automatically jump the gun about the racism bit. However I do like your philosophical approach to figuring it out. Keep it up.

Read above. I was NOT referring to the video being racist. Keep up or stay out of the conversation. I did NOT see the video as being racist at all. It is perceived by many that there is a general racism towards blacks from native asians. I was informed by a few who have lived there in this thread that this is not the case. I can write this 500 more times if it will take that long for you to figure out what is being said.

I was relating this to medical health because it seems that we have to communicate with stupid insults, which YOU started. There is no way that a doctor could be that fickle and keep his job. Evening.

Fickle? You’re an idiot who couldn’t follow a discussion without Cliff Notes. What an inspiration.

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“That is why I feel if he can take them for all the money he can, more power to him. It isn’t like he is truly hurting race relations…because there were none to begin with”
How does this have anything to do with blacks perceived racism by asians?

"What? My whole point from the start is he can do what he wants. You missed this? "

Fine X if you need me to get the cliff notes stuff for you to simplify here it is again, my point was that you flip flopped. You went from a glowingly positive statement saying, " I would let people stare at me crazy if it made me a millionaire as well " to " I personally wouldn’t be caught doing what did in that video for pay. I am sure that MOST black men wouldn’t do it " to taking a step back and presmuably asking yourself and others some seriously good questions " Now, does this mean that Japan should think the same? What do they even know about blacks enslaved here or the crap surrounding it for centuries? " which is probably what you should have done in the first place even though its a meaningless arguement on the internet in the scheme of things.

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Fickle? You’re an idiot who couldn’t follow a discussion without Cliff Notes. What an inspiration."

Thats basically what i’ve done for you since you cant follow my arguement as presented. Again, i really dont care the main reason why you’ve made the main statements but i am using that reading comprehension you derided and taking from your statements selective points. You are a somewhat fickle, but get over it - its a common trait but dangerous for a doctor to change their minds without even knowing why they thought something in the first place.