Bob Sapp vs Little Japanese Girls

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I’m a 5’5" white guy. And when I was in Japan I was a spectacle. If I went to a resturant, the entire staff would take turns watching me eat. So I would stop using my chop-sticks normal and use them like a fork and knife. I gave them a show. Kids would run up on the street. Point, say foreigner and run away giggling. I’d chase them a little.

I also watched a lot of of TV there. They do the same stupid things when it’s just japanese people. It would only be degrading if they treated him like that, and not there own.

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[quote]sugarfree wrote:
I’m a 5’5" white guy. And when I was in Japan I was a spectacle. If I went to a resturant, the entire staff would take turns watching me eat. So I would stop using my chop-sticks normal and use them like a fork and knife. I gave them a show. Kids would run up on the street. Point, say foreigner and run away giggling. I’d chase them a little.

I also watched a lot of of TV there. They do the same stupid things when it’s just japanese people. It would only be degrading if they treated him like that, and not there own.[/quote]

apparantly nobody really thinks this show is racist judging by the multitude of people arguing in favor of that opinion.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
TheBodyGuard wrote:
Professor X wrote:
LBRTRN wrote:
barbos01 wrote:
I would caution TheBodyGuard to remember that racism and racial conflict in Japan in no way parallels racism in this country. In Japan racism is due to the xenophobic tendency in the Japanese culture. If they are laughing AT him(and I am not sure they are), it is because he is a foreigner. While you are no doubt sensitive to racism, to hold the Japanese to an American ideal is unreasonable. Within the frame of their history and culture they simply cannot understand it.

Well, I’ve never been to Japan nor do I know any Japanese but my stepfather works for a major Japanese corporation and travels to Japan frequently and according to him, they are very racist. They frequently use the “n” word and other derogatory slures in reference to black people. Although, I don’t know if that applies to Sapp because celebrety does change the way people are viewed.

p.s. Sapp is a piss poor fighter. All he has is size.

That is exactly how many view the native Japanese response to blacks. That is why I feel if he can take them for all the money he can, more power to him. It isn’t like he is truly hurting race relations…because there were none to begin with. I haven’t seen the clip, however, and won’t be able to until much later on, but my guess is, if it were in America I would be much more offended simply because of the difference in perception of those involved.

I think most of you are giving way too much breadth to my post; I’m sorry for the man - I don’t care what culture he does it for and in what country he does it…the fact is, no self-respecting black man should be pacing in front of a cage, at a zoo, sans shirt, eating a banana and acting like a lunatic in exchange for “taking them for all he can get”. Money does not justify everything. I pity any of you whose pride and dignity have a price.

I just watched the link. There is no way I would do that for money. He obviously doesn’t give a shit. What I do find amazing, however, is that if it were a white man doing it, he would NOT be compared to the entire white race or the civil rights movement or any other large racial event in history. He would simply be a guy who is doing degrading shit for pay in Japan. Because he is black, every black man in America is supposed to somehow become offended and feel as if he is setting us all back. Then some of you claim you don’t understand why race is still an issue? It is because most of you still make it one. Surprise.

Bob Sapp can do whatever the fuck Bob Sapp wants to do. Bob Sapp is not me or any other black man in this country. I personally wouldn’t be caught doing what did in that video for pay. I am sure that MOST black men wouldn’t do it, but then, most black men have not lived in Japan for long periods of time so I have no clue what his experiences have been or how well he gets along with the people there.[/quote]

This harkens back to your being offended when patient’s question if you’re the doc and you automatically assume its b/c you’re black, when in fact, you do not look anything like a doctor…young and jacked yes, doc no.

The only reason his blackness is an issue is b/c of the painfully obvious image of a black man eating a banana at a zoo…if you can’t process the obvious image, forgive me. I don’t think there is so obvious a comparison for a white man and the animal world.

You took it there; I’m talking about Sapp - he doesn’t represent the entire race - I was just surprised no one else questioned it - instead talking about how that fucking asshole is getting paid - as if that makes it ok. Man, you take something and run with it. Sounds to me like you and I were equally offended - now you’re adding something to it never intended my friend.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
zdrax wrote:
Many Japanese aren’t even aware that Bob Sapp is a K-1 fighter. He’s more or less a comedic novelty act on Japanese television. Go watch “The Longest Yard” (the new one with Adam Sandler) - his “schtick” in that movie mimics how he markets himself in Japan.

…and taking offense to how he acted in that video amounts as much to taking offense at how he acted in that movie. I didn’t hear much in the way of his representation of the entire black race when he was in The Longest Yard. Why have the rules changed?[/quote]

For a smart guy you lack comprehension…who the fuck said he represented the whole black race? I just found it sad that no one called the idiot on it; instead, they talked about him “getting paid” and “getting asian poon tang”.

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[quote]barbos01 wrote:
In defense of Mr. Sapp: If he were to do that for an American TV camera, it would be appallingly degrading. But, seeing as how he is doing this in Japan, I don’t think he is worried about it. The Japanese do not get it. In other words, the Japanese’ esteem of Sapp is not lowered by these antics.

To explain by analogy; say you are modest. You don’t like being naked, so certainly you would feel humilated at walking down Hollywood Blvd naked. But I am willing to wager money that after the initial shock wore off, you would not feel bad in the least being naked in a nudist camp. A nudist would not understand your problem with being naked, and a Japanese would not really understand an American black man’s discomfort at eating bananas in front of the monkey house. Sapp probably realizes they don’t get, and therefore has no problem acting the fool and taking their money. [/quote]

Yeah, OK, in this utopian japanese world you describe, they “don’t get” a large black man pacing in front of a cage at the zoo chomping on a banana…are you fucking clueless or what? A

re you kidding me? Or yourself? The man is a fucking idiot - and anyone who defends it on the basis of where it occurred is equally an idiot. What? Your dignity is on a sliding scale according to geography? Even if, as you say, and I don’t agree, that the Japs don’t see it that way, he is FULLY aware of the image. Please stop making excuses for this fucking sell out.

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[quote]BIGRAGOO wrote:
danreeves1973 wrote:
Thye must be paying the guy some serious money or else he is a rare individual who does not take himself seriously at all and is enjoying every second of his life.

I finally got to watch the entire clips and he IS having the time of his life. He does’t give a shit what the rest of the world thinks. He is obviously enjoying what he does. And it is some funny shit. Especially when he trashes the posters of his opponents. [/quote]

In essence, you just defined ignorance. Yes, he is truly fucking unaware…ignorant to put it simply.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
This harkens back to your being offended when patient’s question if you’re the doc and you automatically assume its b/c you’re black, when in fact, you do not look anything like a doctor…young and jacked yes, doc no.

The only reason his blackness is an issue is b/c of the painfully obvious image of a black man eating a banana at a zoo…if you can’t process the obvious image, forgive me. I don’t think there is so obvious a comparison for a white man and the animal world.

You took it there; I’m talking about Sapp - he doesn’t represent the entire race - I was just surprised no one else questioned it - instead talking about how that fucking asshole is getting paid - as if that makes it ok. Man, you take something and run with it. Sounds to me like you and I were equally offended - now you’re adding something to it never intended my friend.

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What have you missed about perception in different countries? If someone who doesn’t even know our language hears the word “nigger” on a tv show and doesn’t understand the reference or the mental images it brings forth in THIS country, are they racist?

The entire difference is the location. In THIS country, everyone would be offended because we know exactly what the intent is. I personally do not understand how the Japanese see blacks fully. I know MANY soldiers who have been stationed overseas and most of them speak on it rather positively when stationed in Asia, and I am referring to black soldiers.

I didn’t ADD anything to what you wrote. You seemed to miss the entire point of this being a different country and then expected me to not think of this when considering certain issues. Must I apologize for understanding that the entire world doesn’t think like Americans?

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Professor X wrote:
zdrax wrote:
Many Japanese aren’t even aware that Bob Sapp is a K-1 fighter. He’s more or less a comedic novelty act on Japanese television. Go watch “The Longest Yard” (the new one with Adam Sandler) - his “schtick” in that movie mimics how he markets himself in Japan.

…and taking offense to how he acted in that video amounts as much to taking offense at how he acted in that movie. I didn’t hear much in the way of his representation of the entire black race when he was in The Longest Yard. Why have the rules changed?

For a smart guy you lack comprehension…who the fuck said he represented the whole black race? I just found it sad that no one called the idiot on it; instead, they talked about him “getting paid” and “getting asian poon tang”.
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I talked about him getting paid because that is why he is over there. It is why you didn’t hear about NSync in this country even though they had been performing in Asia for two years before they were released here in America.

They were refining their image over there because the perception of the Japanese is different than ours…and obviously less critical in terms of entertainers. That particular singing group knew they could perfect their talent and image in Asia before coming to the much more critical eyes of America. Understanding that is WHY I didn’t call him on it.

And yes, it does take some sort of intelligence to be able to think outside of the confines of your own personal experiences.

In AMERICA, he would be considered a sell out for degrading himself. Over there, I even understand that in some areas it is impolite to NOT burp after a meal. Over here, everyone acts like you just pulled a rabbit out of your ass if you were to do the same. I understand cultural differences. Why don’t you?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
TheBodyGuard wrote:
This harkens back to your being offended when patient’s question if you’re the doc and you automatically assume its b/c you’re black, when in fact, you do not look anything like a doctor…young and jacked yes, doc no.

The only reason his blackness is an issue is b/c of the painfully obvious image of a black man eating a banana at a zoo…if you can’t process the obvious image, forgive me. I don’t think there is so obvious a comparison for a white man and the animal world.

You took it there; I’m talking about Sapp - he doesn’t represent the entire race - I was just surprised no one else questioned it - instead talking about how that fucking asshole is getting paid - as if that makes it ok. Man, you take something and run with it. Sounds to me like you and I were equally offended - now you’re adding something to it never intended my friend.

What have you missed about perception in different countries? If someone who doesn’t even know our language hears the word “nigger” on a tv show and doesn’t understand the reference or the mental images it brings forth in THIS country, are they racist?

The entire difference is the location. In THIS country, everyone would be offended because we know exactly what the intent is. I personally do not understand how the Japanese see blacks fully. I know MANY soldiers who have been stationed overseas and most of them speak on it rather positively when stationed in Asia, and I am referring to black soldiers.

I didn’t ADD anything to what you wrote. You seemed to miss the entire point of this being a different country and then expected me to not think of this when considering certain issues. Must I apologize for understanding that the entire world doesn’t think like Americans?
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I think its rational as a society to be sensitive to race even more than we need to be just because of the instances of injustice that our history has shown. Look at Germany and how concerned they are about another nazi movement showing up.

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Thank you Professor.

Now, TheBodyGuard, one of the charataristics you appear to share with the Japanese is the folly of pride. There is NO abication of diginity or self respect on the the part of Sapp in doing what he is doing over there. He apparently does not share your self-rightousness.

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[quote]thabigdon24 wrote:
I think its rational as a society to be sensitive to race even more than we need to be just because of the instances of injustice that our history has shown. Look at Germany and how concerned they are about another nazi movement showing up.[/quote]

And we should be sensitive to race in THIS country because of the huge injustices against entire races. I would never make fun of the Holocaust. I would hope no one would make fun of slavery. These events are very relevant in this country because many people with those experiences lived here, had children here and the pain still runs fluidly through generations.

Now, does this mean that Japan should think the same? What do they even know about blacks enslaved here or the crap surrounding it for centuries? Until recently, their media was decades behind ours in terms of American Images.

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The moral of the story:
Don’t mess with Professor X!
lol

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
BIGRAGOO wrote:
danreeves1973 wrote:
Thye must be paying the guy some serious money or else he is a rare individual who does not take himself seriously at all and is enjoying every second of his life.

I finally got to watch the entire clips and he IS having the time of his life. He does’t give a shit what the rest of the world thinks. He is obviously enjoying what he does. And it is some funny shit. Especially when he trashes the posters of his opponents.

In essence, you just defined ignorance. Yes, he is truly fucking unaware…ignorant to put it simply.
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So what the hell does it matter to you or anyone else?

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I miss Dave Chappelle. He would gladly make fun of both of those topics. He would also approve of Bob Sapp thumbing his nose at ethnocentric racial sterotypes.

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[quote]Steve4192 wrote:
Professor X wrote:I would never make fun of the Holocaust. I would hope no one would make fun of slavery.

I miss Dave Chappelle. He would gladly make fun of both of those topics. He would also approve of Bob Sapp thumbing his nose at ethnocentric racial sterotypes.[/quote]

i really dont think that black people like chappelle…i watching some of his stuff at my place and one of my black friends got a scowl on his face after i started laughing. I was afraid to laugh after that around him but i still like his comedy.

As far as bob sapp goes , we were all trying to say that it was just weird japanese humor that was the reason for putting bob sapp on the air. Bobb sapp is a funny guy , i like how they showed shots of the monkeys in the video walking off looking scared.

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I didn’t get it…

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Although I do find Japan a bit rassistic, I wouldn’t say it’s really evident regarding the Sapp issue.

In contrast to the rest of the world, two things really fascinate japanese TV: People shedding tears and people making idiots out of themselves.

Has anyone ever heard of a certain japanese Schwarzenegger commercial?
He was posing in a pink romper suit (!) behaving like a wooden action figure.
Money does make people do crazy and ridiculous things.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
TheBodyGuard wrote:
This harkens back to your being offended when patient’s question if you’re the doc and you automatically assume its b/c you’re black, when in fact, you do not look anything like a doctor…young and jacked yes, doc no.

The only reason his blackness is an issue is b/c of the painfully obvious image of a black man eating a banana at a zoo…if you can’t process the obvious image, forgive me. I don’t think there is so obvious a comparison for a white man and the animal world.

You took it there; I’m talking about Sapp - he doesn’t represent the entire race - I was just surprised no one else questioned it - instead talking about how that fucking asshole is getting paid - as if that makes it ok. Man, you take something and run with it. Sounds to me like you and I were equally offended - now you’re adding something to it never intended my friend.

What have you missed about perception in different countries? If someone who doesn’t even know our language hears the word “nigger” on a tv show and doesn’t understand the reference or the mental images it brings forth in THIS country, are they racist?

The entire difference is the location. In THIS country, everyone would be offended because we know exactly what the intent is. I personally do not understand how the Japanese see blacks fully. I know MANY soldiers who have been stationed overseas and most of them speak on it rather positively when stationed in Asia, and I am referring to black soldiers.

I didn’t ADD anything to what you wrote. You seemed to miss the entire point of this being a different country and then expected me to not think of this when considering certain issues. Must I apologize for understanding that the entire world doesn’t think like Americans?
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I’m really disappointed in this thinking from a seemingly intelligent man. So, you telling me you’re just a plane ticket to Japan away from collecting some money while pacing back and forth at the zoo with a banana? I don’t get why you miss MY point; I don’t care where the idiot is…HE knows the connotation. And, HE has no respect for himself.

Let me break it down for you; It’s as if your sister sucked anyone’s cock for money, albeit wrong here in the U.S., its perfectly legal and morally acceptable in an imaginary country called Cocksuckerformonia. In your way of thinking, your sister sucking cock for money is OK, as long as she does it in Cocksuckerformonia.

Sorry Prof, but in my book, a dick in your mouth in Cocksuckerformonia is the same as a dick in your mouth in the US. And a banana in your mouth in Japan, is the same as in the US. I may be over the top, but its the same logic you’re applying.

It’s exactly like you’re advocating that if in the imaginary country of Cocksuckerformonia, if the good citizens don’t see anything wrong with your sister seeing how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie pop for money…then it’s ok with you.

However, in my world, it doesn’t excuse your sister, who was raised in America, from knowing licking a tootsie pop until you reach the center in exchange for money is generally frowned upon.

Defend Sapp if you will…your geographical sliding scale of morality and pride is the most unintelligent thing I’ve heard in a few days. Guess what happens in Japan stays in Japan.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
TheBodyGuard wrote:
Professor X wrote:
zdrax wrote:
Many Japanese aren’t even aware that Bob Sapp is a K-1 fighter. He’s more or less a comedic novelty act on Japanese television. Go watch “The Longest Yard” (the new one with Adam Sandler) - his “schtick” in that movie mimics how he markets himself in Japan.

…and taking offense to how he acted in that video amounts as much to taking offense at how he acted in that movie. I didn’t hear much in the way of his representation of the entire black race when he was in The Longest Yard. Why have the rules changed?

For a smart guy you lack comprehension…who the fuck said he represented the whole black race? I just found it sad that no one called the idiot on it; instead, they talked about him “getting paid” and “getting asian poon tang”.

I talked about him getting paid because that is why he is over there. It is why you didn’t hear about NSync in this country even though they had been performing in Asia for two years before they were released here in America.

They were refining their image over there because the perception of the Japanese is different than ours…and obviously less critical in terms of entertainers. That particular singing group knew they could perfect their talent and image in Asia before coming to the much more critical eyes of America. Understanding that is WHY I didn’t call him on it.

And yes, it does take some sort of intelligence to be able to think outside of the confines of your own personal experiences.

In AMERICA, he would be considered a sell out for degrading himself. Over there, I even understand that in some areas it is impolite to NOT burp after a meal. Over here, everyone acts like you just pulled a rabbit out of your ass if you were to do the same. I understand cultural differences. Why don’t you?[/quote]

You’re kidding right? Are you just trying to take counterpoint for the sake of argument? Please…because he is doing it in Japan, he is not degrading himself? Are you kidding me? So, he goes to Japan, and he’s no longer black, raised in America no longer aware of the negative connotation? Please tell me you’re just being argumentive.

Please tell me you don’t buy that. Or I’ll personally raise the airfare for you to join him…and I’ll supply your bananas. Go get paid doc.

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[quote]barbos01 wrote:
Thank you Professor.

Now, TheBodyGuard, one of the charataristics you appear to share with the Japanese is the folly of pride. There is NO abication of diginity or self respect on the the part of Sapp in doing what he is doing over there. He apparently does not share your self-rightousness.[/quote]

Oh please, there is not a shred of self-righteousness here…I’m a white man and I could care less what Sapp does. He won’t make a penny from me and he’s not even a good fighter. I could care less if he puts a banana in his mouth, one in his ass, and chases Faye Raye (sp?) up the side of the Empire State Building. I could really care less - I don’t, as they say, have a dog in that fight.