[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Tyson’s problem was getting rid of Teddy Atlas and his original trainers and promoters. The worst thing that ever happened to Tyson was signing with Don King after Gus D’Amato died.For a 4-5 year period, Tyson was the most dominant athlete of all time.[/quote]
Alexander Karelin, the Russian wrestler, was the most dominant athlete of all time. Props to Tyson, of course. He was a machine.
[quote]PGJ wrote:
yson fighting anyone before Douglas was a total beatdown. His opponents were terrified. They didn’t stand a chance. I’d have to say though, that Douglas put a world class beating on Tyson. I’d rank it #2 behind the USA beating USSR in hockey in 1980 in the all-time upset category. #1 in the beatdown category because Douglas didn’t just beat Tyson, he knocked him out. Tyson had never even been knocked down before. True David and Goliath story. Here’s the last round:
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What pissed me off about that fight was that Douglas tied tyson up evertime they near, then would strike as the ref would break them up. Douglas did not go toe to toe until the last few rounds after he tired tyson down by wrestling him. It was a chicken shit strategy by Douglas. He wrapped his arms around Tyson every chance he got, and being bigger than tyson, he would smother him in his chest until the ref would break them up. This is the fight I that I hate the most out of any that I witnessed. I don’t care if Douglas won by it. It was crap.
[quote]BIGRAGOO wrote:
PGJ wrote:
yson fighting anyone before Douglas was a total beatdown. His opponents were terrified. They didn’t stand a chance. I’d have to say though, that Douglas put a world class beating on Tyson. I’d rank it #2 behind the USA beating USSR in hockey in 1980 in the all-time upset category. #1 in the beatdown category because Douglas didn’t just beat Tyson, he knocked him out. Tyson had never even been knocked down before. True David and Goliath story. Here’s the last round:
What pissed me off about that fight was that Douglas tied tyson up evertime they near, then would strike as the ref would break them up. Douglas did not go toe to toe until the last few rounds after he tired tyson down by wrestling him. It was a chicken shit strategy by Douglas. He wrapped his arms around Tyson every chance he got, and being bigger than tyson, he would smother him in his chest until the ref would break them up. This is the fight I that I hate the most out of any that I witnessed. I don’t care if Douglas won by it. It was crap.[/quote]
A very common strategy in the hwt division is to clinch and lean on your opponent to wear him down. Make him carry your weight for a little while. Ali did this to perfection in the second half of his career. Foreman used to do it as well after he came back. It’s very effective, especially against a brute like Tyson who only knows how to fight in forward gear.
DB
[quote]Donut62 wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Tyson’s problem was getting rid of Teddy Atlas and his original trainers and promoters. The worst thing that ever happened to Tyson was signing with Don King after Gus D’Amato died.For a 4-5 year period, Tyson was the most dominant athlete of all time.
Alexander Karelin, the Russian wrestler, was the most dominant athlete of all time. Props to Tyson, of course. He was a machine.[/quote]
Good point. Forgot about him. Didn’t he go like 10 years undefeated?
[quote]BIGRAGOO wrote:
PGJ wrote:
yson fighting anyone before Douglas was a total beatdown. His opponents were terrified. They didn’t stand a chance. I’d have to say though, that Douglas put a world class beating on Tyson. I’d rank it #2 behind the USA beating USSR in hockey in 1980 in the all-time upset category. #1 in the beatdown category because Douglas didn’t just beat Tyson, he knocked him out. Tyson had never even been knocked down before. True David and Goliath story. Here’s the last round:
What pissed me off about that fight was that Douglas tied tyson up evertime they near, then would strike as the ref would break them up. Douglas did not go toe to toe until the last few rounds after he tired tyson down by wrestling him. It was a chicken shit strategy by Douglas. He wrapped his arms around Tyson every chance he got, and being bigger than tyson, he would smother him in his chest until the ref would break them up. This is the fight I that I hate the most out of any that I witnessed. I don’t care if Douglas won by it. It was crap.[/quote]
He did what he had to do just to survive. It was good strategy.
[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
A very common strategy in the hwt division is to clinch and lean on your opponent to wear him down. Make him carry your weight for a little while. Ali did this to perfection in the second half of his career. Foreman used to do it as well after he came back. It’s very effective, especially against a brute like Tyson who only knows how to fight in forward gear.
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That’s called “I’m a pussy and scared of this smaller man” strategy. I see no redeming qualities about that strategy. It’s boxing, so fight, not wrestle and grapple.
[quote]PGJ wrote:
Donut62 wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Tyson’s problem was getting rid of Teddy Atlas and his original trainers and promoters. The worst thing that ever happened to Tyson was signing with Don King after Gus D’Amato died.For a 4-5 year period, Tyson was the most dominant athlete of all time.
Alexander Karelin, the Russian wrestler, was the most dominant athlete of all time. Props to Tyson, of course. He was a machine.
Good point. Forgot about him. Didn’t he go like 10 years undefeated?
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13 years, and the last 6 without a single point being scored on him.
[quote]PGJ wrote:
He did what he had to do just to survive. It was good strategy.
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10 rounds of hugging is shit. I’ve seen fights where the ref has intervened and warned against the constant holding. This ref did no such thing. It made it clear that Douglas knew he could not go toe to toe, so he resorted to that.
And what the fuck happen to Douglas after that? A couple fights after and he disappeared.
Nobody hugs like John “Huggy Bear” Ruiz. This guy’s got love for everybody, even giant ape-like Russians.
[quote]Donut62 wrote:
Nobody hugs like John “Huggy Bear” Ruiz. This guy’s got love for everybody, even giant ape-like Russians.[/quote]
Is he fighting a Cro Magnon? Haha, look at that brow.
[quote]BIGRAGOO wrote:
Donut62 wrote:
Nobody hugs like John “Huggy Bear” Ruiz. This guy’s got love for everybody, even giant ape-like Russians.
Is he fighting a Cro Magnon? Haha, look at that brow.[/quote]
Sadly, this guy could be HW champ. How boxing has fallen.
[quote]BIGRAGOO wrote:
PGJ wrote:
He did what he had to do just to survive. It was good strategy.
10 rounds of hugging is shit. I’ve seen fights where the ref has intervened and warned against the constant holding. This ref did no such thing. It made it clear that Douglas knew he could not go toe to toe, so he resorted to that.
And what the fuck happen to Douglas after that? A couple fights after and he disappeared.[/quote]
He found Tyson’s weakness, wore him out and beat him down. Nobody in the world at that time would/could stand toe-to-toe with Tyson. That’s the way fighting is. If your opponent has a huge right hand you circle to his left to avoid this right hand. You don’t challenge his strengths, you avoid them. Unfortunately, Douglas quickly disappeared. He just had one REALLY good night. Besides, who didn’t love seeing the look of confusion on Tyson’s face has he’s on all four’s looking for his mouthpiece. What a great underdog story.
Wanderlei Silva vs. Guy Mezger was a pretty good beatdown. It starts out pretty even, but then Silva just goes off. I couldn’t find it online, so I uploaded the highlight video. Watch Mezger’s head after the last punch…
Another Silva: - YouTube
[quote]rainjack wrote:
The Michael Spinks - Mike Tyson Fight back in 1987 - 1988. My friends and I paid the ungodly sum of 45 bucks to watch that fight on PPV - back when fights cost like 20 bucks.
I had to take a piss - and missed the entire fight. It wasn’t a marathon beat down - but Tyson knocked the want-to right out of Spinks in less than a minute.
Or - in less time than it takes a half drunk college kid to take a whizz.
How do you say it? Tyson knocked Spinks the fuck out? Something like that. [/quote]
I was 15 and in summer school when that fight went down. Didn’t get to see it, but the sports section of the paper had a huge pic of Tyson standing over Leon Spinx and the headline in 5-inch high letters:
“NINETY-ONE SECONDS!”
Foreman-Frazier stands out of course, but also Frazier-Chuvalo and Foreman-Chuvalo.
Sugar Ray Robinson-Jake Lamotta 6. (the St-Valentine’s day massacre)
Tyson vs 1980’s heavyweights.
Duran-Leonard 2 (No mas fight)
Floyd Mayweather-Diego Corrales was also a pretty decent beatdown.
Ali vs Ernie Terrel.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Tyson’s problem was getting rid of Teddy Atlas and his original trainers and promoters. The worst thing that ever happened to Tyson was signing with Don King after Gus D’Amato died.For a 4-5 year period, Tyson was the most dominant athlete of all time.[/quote]
You should read Atlas’ autobiography “From the Streets to the Ring” for more info.
Basically, you’re right.
Did somebody say Tyson can’t take a punch? That was posted somewhere. That is wrong, Tyson had a great chin. He just didn’t use much movement post Atlas, so he got hit.
Nolan Ryan vs. Robin Ventura. Take that young man!
Damn. Didn’t see that Ryan/Ventura was already posted. Nice call.