I like that I don’t even need to watch the video to see how well Pudzianowski did…the video is not even 2 minutes long! He could’ve rowed 500m in that time!
Didn’t Brock Lesnar basically start with little to no experience in mma and go on to use his great athletcism and size become a pretty good fighter? That could happen here no?
[quote]trav123456 wrote:
Didn’t Brock Lesnar basically start with little to no experience in mma and go on to use his great athletcism and size become a pretty good fighter? That could happen here no?[/quote]
Lesnar was a collegiate level wrestler. And pudz is has training in some karate discipline and amateur boxer. And I thought he looked pretty awful, stood damn near flatfooted and running leg kicks with his hands down? However lesnar’s first fight shows what could easily happen against pudz, once he’s on the ground I’m sure pud will feel extremely uncomfortable and could easily get submitted.
The najman is a new guy to the sport, he’d only fought and lost one other match.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
When did MMA become its own discipline?
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YES! I absolutely love this. I hate when people say they study MMA; why not just say you study disciplines X and Y?
[quote]Tyrant wrote:
[quote]trav123456 wrote:
Didn’t Brock Lesnar basically start with little to no experience in mma and go on to use his great athletcism and size become a pretty good fighter? That could happen here no?[/quote]
Lesnar was a collegiate level wrestler. And pudz is has training in some karate discipline and amateur boxer. And I thought he looked pretty awful, stood damn near flatfooted and running leg kicks with his hands down? However lesnar’s first fight shows what could easily happen against pudz, once he’s on the ground I’m sure pud will feel extremely uncomfortable and could easily get submitted.
The najman is a new guy to the sport, he’d only fought and lost one other match. [/quote]
I didn’t know that about Brock or Pudz.
Yeah he did look pretty ridiculous booting that guy across the ring but maybe someone can teach him enough while he gets going?
I love how some of you girls on here automatically assume that I meant “the bigger guy always wins”.
Case in point, thats not always true. I was just sick and tired of random bro-douche morons posting all the time about how their skinny little 157 1/2 pound ass can kick the shit out of a “stupid bodybuilder” type, because obviously none of that muscle is functional and bigger = slower. Fuck, OFF.
I saw the Couture vs the giant fight, couture kicked his ass. But that doesnt mean that all guys who are bigger and stronger are simultaneously slow and uncoordinated.
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
[quote]lemonman456 wrote:
I’m 170 and have been doing BJJ for about a year and I’ve submitted people who weighed around 220-230. look at the old UFC fights, Royce fought at 180 and destroyed everyone.[/quote]
sure, you’ve got a chance of submitting a heavier opponent who doesn’t know what their doing.
trying working your ‘secret ultra ninja voodoo shit’ on a 230lb dude who knows what he’s doing.
i’d wipe the floor with you.
hint: you’re not the only one that knows bjj
idiots.[/quote]
I think the point he was trying to make was that just because someone is bigger doesn’t mean they always win. The OP made it seem that way, whether his intention or not. No need to get all riled up and start telling guys over the internet that you’d wipe the floor with them.
You telling a guy that you never met, never seen, nor know anything about that it basically doesn’t matter what he’s done to train in the past, he doesn’t stand a chance against you. Thats beyond ignorant and immature, you must be a marine huh? LOL lil air force humor for you, don’t get offended and wipe the floor with me!
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
i’d wipe the floor with you.
hint: you’re not the only one that knows mmf
idiots.[/quote]
Fixed.
WHY DOES THIS SHIT COME UP EVERY TWO WEEKS? WHAT THE FUCK???
When the first motherfucking weapon was invented, this argument became completely fucking pointless, but jerkoffs like you people insist on arguing about on the fucking internet.
FUCK.
[quote]Sarev0k wrote:
But that doesnt mean that all guys who are bigger and stronger are simultaneously slow and uncoordinated.[/quote]
No one says that! What bodybuilders don’t understand is that lifting weights does not make you a fighter, or mean that you know how to fight. It means you’re good at lifting weights.
Why can’t people accept that weightlifting doesn’t equal being a good sport fighter, being a good sport fighter doesn’t equal being a good streetfighter, and being a good streetfighter doesn’t mean you’re not going to get shot by some 14 year old lookin to make a name for himself?
It’s like comparing basketball, chess, and fishing, and then saying the basketball player would win because he’s tall.
Win what? Where? When? Against whom?
These threads make me go fucking crazy because of the amount of blatant ignorance displayed.
Regarding Crocop vs. Bob Sapp:
Crocop hit him so hard with that punch that be broke (or fractured?) the bone of his eye socket, I believe. Hense him falling to the ground and crying.
Regarding Fedor vs. Hong Man w/e:
I honestly, for the first time in years, felt like I was watching a fixed fight when I was watching this live. Fedor fails an armbar on a flurry of ‘ground and pound’ punches, and the ginormous asian guy does the same thing over and over again that nearly got him caught, until it gets him caught.
Now I only trained for about 2 years, and I know better than that… It just… felt unnatural compared to the rest of Fedor’s fights, and they had a lot riding on Fedor still being named the best pound for pound fighter in the world.
Back on topic. I’ve seen huge guys knock out little guys, too ya know. More often than not size does not matter in MMA. I’ve rolled against someone who was 400, yes 400, pounds and ended up tapping him. I’m 190. And at the same time I’ve been tap’d by a 160 lb kid. (doh)
If you haven’t noticed, it is common practice to place big names from other sports in the ring against former big names in MMA. Brock Lesnar, for example, got brought in to whipe the floor with Frank Mir. Mir hadn’t fought in ages, and had been announcing.
Mir got lucky, and now he fell back into the game for a few years because of it. But on paper there is no way Mir shoulda won.
Another good example is Sean Sherk v. Kenny Florian, Sherk ended up winning (by decision if I remember correctly) but just look at the strength, and size difference in the 2 bodies.
It all depends on the person, and the kind of day they’re having 
Just my 2 cents.
Off topic but I havent Seen Crocop fight in forever, does anyone know when his last was?
BTW he always seems to throw crazy kicks to the head
[quote]DTP88 wrote:
Regarding Crocop vs. Bob Sapp:
Crocop hit him so hard with that punch that be broke (or fractured?) the bone of his eye socket, I believe. Hense him falling to the ground and crying.
Regarding Fedor vs. Hong Man w/e:
I honestly, for the first time in years, felt like I was watching a fixed fight when I was watching this live. Fedor fails an armbar on a flurry of ‘ground and pound’ punches, and the ginormous asian guy does the same thing over and over again that nearly got him caught, until it gets him caught.
Now I only trained for about 2 years, and I know better than that… It just… felt unnatural compared to the rest of Fedor’s fights, and they had a lot riding on Fedor still being named the best pound for pound fighter in the world.
Back on topic. I’ve seen huge guys knock out little guys, too ya know. More often than not size does not matter in MMA. I’ve rolled against someone who was 400, yes 400, pounds and ended up tapping him. I’m 190. And at the same time I’ve been tap’d by a 160 lb kid. (doh)
If you haven’t noticed, it is common practice to place big names from other sports in the ring against former big names in MMA. Brock Lesnar, for example, got brought in to whipe the floor with Frank Mir. Mir hadn’t fought in ages, and had been announcing.
Mir got lucky, and now he fell back into the game for a few years because of it. But on paper there is no way Mir shoulda won.
Another good example is Sean Sherk v. Kenny Florian, Sherk ended up winning (by decision if I remember correctly) but just look at the strength, and size difference in the 2 bodies.
It all depends on the person, and the kind of day they’re having
Just my 2 cents.[/quote]
I guess what factors into it is that the world is teaming with guys that are more or less close to average physically. Some a little taller or shorter, a bit stockier or skinnier etc. but not that different from each other. Then you have the truly big ones who are a small minority, and who push 300 in their untrained form from their height and frame. Some of them will train, others don’t. Since the sheer number of the naturally average people is so massive, it is not so miraculous that the best will come out of the ranks of the physically average rather than the naturally imposing.
[quote]1porsche wrote:
Off topic but I havent Seen Crocop fight in forever, does anyone know when his last was?
BTW he always seems to throw crazy kicks to the head[/quote]
He signed with the UFC, and didn’t train with a cage. So naturally, he got his ass beat when he ran into a cage in a fight… I believe thats when Gonzaga slapped him silly with his leg kick.
Then, he fought Check Congo. Congo threw a kick that broke one of Crocops ribs in the first round. Crocop didn’t bitch out, and fought the rest of the fight… but cautiously. Fans boo’d him, UFC expected more out of him, and since then I have been too busy to watch every event… But I know Crocop’s reputation as a badass kinda went down the drain. Probably hard for him to get fights now.
[quote]DTP88 wrote:
[quote]1porsche wrote:
Off topic but I havent Seen Crocop fight in forever, does anyone know when his last was?
BTW he always seems to throw crazy kicks to the head[/quote]
He signed with the UFC, and didn’t train with a cage. So naturally, he got his ass beat when he ran into a cage in a fight… I believe thats when Gonzaga slapped him silly with his leg kick.
Then, he fought Check Congo. Congo threw a kick that broke one of Crocops ribs in the first round. Crocop didn’t bitch out, and fought the rest of the fight… but cautiously. Fans boo’d him, UFC expected more out of him, and since then I have been too busy to watch every event… But I know Crocop’s reputation as a badass kinda went down the drain. Probably hard for him to get fights now.[/quote]
Cro Cop is fighting Pat Barry at UFC 115.
[quote]DTP88 wrote:
Regarding Crocop vs. Bob Sapp:
Crocop hit him so hard with that punch that be broke (or fractured?) the bone of his eye socket, I believe. Hense him falling to the ground and crying.
Regarding Fedor vs. Hong Man w/e:
I honestly, for the first time in years, felt like I was watching a fixed fight when I was watching this live. Fedor fails an armbar on a flurry of ‘ground and pound’ punches, and the ginormous asian guy does the same thing over and over again that nearly got him caught, until it gets him caught.
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Man I’ve read a couple of your posts now and there are quite a few inaccuracies… get it together. But back on point.
Oon the hong man choi fight… that was a new years eve show that they were putting on for shits and giggles… hung man choi has never trained seriously a day in his life and I doubt fedor had a training camp before that fight.
No one looks at that fight as a legitimate fight on his record… its just a space holder. I believe ever armbar Fedor has ever done is from his back… does this mean that no one should ever take him to the ground.
This thread is dumb… fightingIrish said it perfectly
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]Sarev0k wrote:
But that doesnt mean that all guys who are bigger and stronger are simultaneously slow and uncoordinated.[/quote]
No one says that! What bodybuilders don’t understand is that lifting weights does not make you a fighter, or mean that you know how to fight. It means you’re good at lifting weights.
Why can’t people accept that weightlifting doesn’t equal being a good sport fighter, being a good sport fighter doesn’t equal being a good streetfighter, and being a good streetfighter doesn’t mean you’re not going to get shot by some 14 year old lookin to make a name for himself?
It’s like comparing basketball, chess, and fishing, and then saying the basketball player would win because he’s tall.
Win what? Where? When? Against whom?
These threads make me go fucking crazy because of the amount of blatant ignorance displayed.[/quote]
Seriously? Do a search in the BB forum about anything relating to bodybuilding and fighting, and you’ll find a shit ton of wankers talking about how someone who’s “lean” and “cut” and took “MMA” for awhile can kick any big guys ass.
And if you look back at my original post, you’ll see that I never said anything having to do with bodybuilders/powerlifters/strongmen being good fighters. My point was only to combat “Big dudes get their asses kicked by small mma dudes with hawt abz”
isnt Pudz a strongman athlete and not a bodybuilder?
[quote]Amiright wrote:
Oon the hong man choi fight… that was a new years eve show that they were putting on for shits and giggles… hung man choi has never trained seriously a day in his life and I doubt fedor had a training camp before that fight.
No one looks at that fight as a legitimate fight on his record… its just a space holder. I believe ever armbar Fedor has ever done is from his back… does this mean that no one should ever take him to the ground.
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He never trained seriously a day in his life?? He has 18 K-1 Kickboxing fights under his belt and 5 MMA matches. Hung Man Choi has fought the likes of Fedor, Bob Sapp, Cro Copp, ect. You don’t get opponents like that unless you are a legit contender. Why in the world would they throw somebody in a ring with a professional fighter if they had never trained seriously a day in their life? That would be incredibly dangerous and foolish.
This guy is an awesome athlete!