[quote]Sarev0k wrote:
I think not. This is for all you random bitches who post in the BB forum who rag on about how a small guy who trains will kick a big guys ass. This is for all you Broski’s out there who wear your TapouT shirts and hats while doing 21’s for biceps EVERY FUCKING DAY OF THE WEEK with you BIG ASS SUNGLASSES AND SKINNY CHICKEN SHIT LEGS!
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That was the best thing I’ve seen on here in a while. He sent him flying with those kicks!
[quote]Sarev0k wrote:
Seriously? Do a search in the BB forum about anything relating to bodybuilding and fighting, and you’ll find a shit ton of wankers talking about how someone who’s “lean” and “cut” and took “MMA” for awhile can kick any big guys ass.
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OK. And you put a video up of a freakishly strong guy with some fight experience going against a nobody in his first MMA match. What’s that prove exactly?
Watch this video, of the 6’1 180 lb. Jack Dempsey fighting Jess Willard, who was 6’6 and 245 solid lbs.
Want to know what happens?
Willard suffered a “caved-in cheekbone, broken jaw, teeth knocked out, broken nose, broken ribs, lost hearing in 1 ear, eyes swollen shut, multiple contusions, cuts, and abrasions.”
What’s that prove? That every guy outweighed by 65 lbs. is going to whip his opponent? Of course not. You posted a professional fight and made it sound like that’s always what happens when a big guy fights a smaller guy, when in reality, that’s not true in the ring.
Besides that, if you were talking about that ultimate mythical “MMA guy vs. bodybuilder- but in THE STREETZ!” then this shit means even less, because you know who wins? The guy who pulls a knife, uses a weapon, or has more friends.
So your post, in effect, is fucking stupid, because it doesn’t translate to the ring and it doesn’t translate to real-life confrontations.
Yea, if a guy is a serious fighter, he’s going to hand a lot of guys their heads, regardless of size. But if he’s a some guy who’s taken a BJJ class and thinks he’s bad, he might not. But the point of the matter is that if you’re talking about streetfighting, which you seem to be alluding to, size and strength matter very, very, very little- it’s much more about who is willing to escalate the encounter to a lethal level the fastest. Real fights do not happen like boxing matches or cage fights, and to compare the two, as you seem to be doing, tells me that you don’t really know much about how real violence goes down.
This thread is awesome. I was just surprised to see Pudz fighting. I can honestly say that before I watched the video I had a pre-determined outcome set in my mind. Which was Pudz decimating the other dude.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]Sarev0k wrote:
Seriously? Do a search in the BB forum about anything relating to bodybuilding and fighting, and you’ll find a shit ton of wankers talking about how someone who’s “lean” and “cut” and took “MMA” for awhile can kick any big guys ass.
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OK. And you put a video up of a freakishly strong guy with some fight experience going against a nobody in his first MMA match. What’s that prove exactly?
Watch this video, of the 6’1 180 lb. Jack Dempsey fighting Jess Willard, who was 6’6 and 245 solid lbs.
Want to know what happens?
Willard suffered a “caved-in cheekbone, broken jaw, teeth knocked out, broken nose, broken ribs, lost hearing in 1 ear, eyes swollen shut, multiple contusions, cuts, and abrasions.”
What’s that prove? That every guy outweighed by 65 lbs. is going to whip his opponent? Of course not. You posted a professional fight and made it sound like that’s always what happens when a big guy fights a smaller guy, when in reality, that’s not true in the ring.
Besides that, if you were talking about that ultimate mythical “MMA guy vs. bodybuilder- but in THE STREETZ!” then this shit means even less, because you know who wins? The guy who pulls a knife, uses a weapon, or has more friends.
So your post, in effect, is fucking stupid, because it doesn’t translate to the ring and it doesn’t translate to real-life confrontations.
Yea, if a guy is a serious fighter, he’s going to hand a lot of guys their heads, regardless of size. But if he’s a some guy who’s taken a BJJ class and thinks he’s bad, he might not. But the point of the matter is that if you’re talking about streetfighting, which you seem to be alluding to, size and strength matter very, very, very little- it’s much more about who is willing to escalate the encounter to a lethal level the fastest. Real fights do not happen like boxing matches or cage fights, and to compare the two, as you seem to be doing, tells me that you don’t really know much about how real violence goes down.[/quote]
I don’t get what you don’t understand.
Heres the situation:
For awhile on here, random wannabe badass posters on the BB forum would say shit basically saying “every big dude will indefinitely get his ass kicked by a smaller MMA guy”
This has been rampant, so I wanted to prove them wrong somehow.
I find a video of Pudzianowski’s first fight in a “MMA” style scenario, whom just happens to be a big guy.
I prove to everyone, that just because you’re big, doesn’t mean you can’t fight, and it also doesn’t mean that you are slow. This is referring back to original call-out from the threads i talked about in #1.
Never said all big guys can kick all smaller guys asses, that would be a dumb and ignorant thing to say, as I’ve witnessed many a small man take down a big man.
It really doesn’t matter what you think I was trying to say, because I am telling you right now what I was trying to say. I don’t know whay streetfighting was brought up at all.
My point was…
Smaller guys can obviously kick some ass, but some big guys can kick some ass too.
Obviously regualr dudes can kick some ass, like rocky marciano, couture, dempsey, i can go on. But it’s def.
But saying all big guys are slow/can’t fight well is a very inaccurate statement.
[quote]Sarev0k wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]Sarev0k wrote:
Seriously? Do a search in the BB forum about anything relating to bodybuilding and fighting, and you’ll find a shit ton of wankers talking about how someone who’s “lean” and “cut” and took “MMA” for awhile can kick any big guys ass.
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OK. And you put a video up of a freakishly strong guy with some fight experience going against a nobody in his first MMA match. What’s that prove exactly?
Watch this video, of the 6’1 180 lb. Jack Dempsey fighting Jess Willard, who was 6’6 and 245 solid lbs.
Want to know what happens?
Willard suffered a “caved-in cheekbone, broken jaw, teeth knocked out, broken nose, broken ribs, lost hearing in 1 ear, eyes swollen shut, multiple contusions, cuts, and abrasions.”
What’s that prove? That every guy outweighed by 65 lbs. is going to whip his opponent? Of course not. You posted a professional fight and made it sound like that’s always what happens when a big guy fights a smaller guy, when in reality, that’s not true in the ring.
Besides that, if you were talking about that ultimate mythical “MMA guy vs. bodybuilder- but in THE STREETZ!” then this shit means even less, because you know who wins? The guy who pulls a knife, uses a weapon, or has more friends.
So your post, in effect, is fucking stupid, because it doesn’t translate to the ring and it doesn’t translate to real-life confrontations.
Yea, if a guy is a serious fighter, he’s going to hand a lot of guys their heads, regardless of size. But if he’s a some guy who’s taken a BJJ class and thinks he’s bad, he might not. But the point of the matter is that if you’re talking about streetfighting, which you seem to be alluding to, size and strength matter very, very, very little- it’s much more about who is willing to escalate the encounter to a lethal level the fastest. Real fights do not happen like boxing matches or cage fights, and to compare the two, as you seem to be doing, tells me that you don’t really know much about how real violence goes down.[/quote]
I don’t get what you don’t understand.
Heres the situation:
For awhile on here, random wannabe badass posters on the BB forum would say shit basically saying “every big dude will indefinitely get his ass kicked by a smaller MMA guy”
This has been rampant, so I wanted to prove them wrong somehow.
I find a video of Pudzianowski’s first fight in a “MMA” style scenario, whom just happens to be a big guy.
I prove to everyone, that just because you’re big, doesn’t mean you can’t fight, and it also doesn’t mean that you are slow. This is referring back to original call-out from the threads i talked about in #1.
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But you did it by taking a guy who is a green belt in Kyokushin karate (which is a pretty brutal art) and was formerly an amateur boxer.
Do you realize that he’s far, far more versed in fighting arts than a typical bodybuilder/strongman? The fact that he’s a trained fighter defeats the purpose of your thread- and though I don’t know the type of people that are posting in your bodybuilding forum, if they are truly fighters in any way, they’ll admit that while a well-trained smaller man can certainly beat someone much larger, a well-trained smaller man going against a well-trained big man is going to lose.
So if you had taken Ronnie Coleman and shown us a video that where he completely mutilates a smaller, well-trained fighter, the comparison would make sense. But you took a massively strong guy who’s a trained fighter, in a ring setting, and then went “A HA!” when he won.
Well no shit.
So I’ll say it again- this thread is stupid.
Because it’s a “no shit” thing when you say that a big man can beat a smaller man in the ring. Who the fuck’s arguing that? And then you used a video of two trained fighters… which isn’t what you were trying to prove, was it?
My point is that you failed logic class.
[quote]Sarev0k wrote:
Obviously regualr dudes can kick some ass, like rocky marciano, couture, dempsey, i can go on. But it’s def.
But saying all big guys are slow/can’t fight well is a very inaccurate statement.[/quote]
Dude- who’s saying that? What guy, MMA or boxing fan, is going to say that the heavyweights can’t fight? But bodybuilders aren’t fighters, and Pudz is clearly not just a strongman- he has a lot of experience.
You’re changing your argument in the middle of arguing it!
Haha, I have no idea what you’re arguing about then, other than that you think this thread is stupid.
[quote]Sarev0k wrote:
Haha, I have no idea what you’re arguing about then, other than that you think this thread is stupid.[/quote]
That’s because you don’t know what the fuck you’re arguing about.
You got upset because people who evidently train MMA have said that a fighter could beat up on a bodybuilder. So you took a video of a strongman who’s also a trained fighter, and put it up here as evidence that a bodybuilder can fight.
You seriously don’t realize the massive failure in logic there?
so youre arguing that a small guy can beat up a big guy in a ring, but in a street fight, if the small guy has a knife, the big guy can only win if he has a +5 flamethrower or above, and only if it is blessed by the holymother of guiness beer. if the saving throw fails however, the smaller guy must engage in HGH therapy to therefore up his growth spurt, but his roll must be above a level 25 dragon’s HP, because if it is not, then the smaller guy must use his magic missile spell to thwart the evil demon that must have stilmulated the bigger mans endocrine sytem which spurred anabolic growth and androgenic trais such as hair growth, and enlarged clitori. The big man must now make sure his boots of lighning speed are on, because if they are not, he must roll a d28 1/2 and get over a 14, and if it is below a 14, then he must do the hustle. If this also fails, the mall guy must then use his knife to spread non-hydrogenated oil whip such as smart balance on crisp english muffins, not irish sodabread, because the soda in the bread is not diet soda, but V-diet soda.
[quote]Sarev0k wrote:
so youre arguing that a small guy can beat up a big guy in a ring, but in a street fight, if the small guy has a knife, the big guy can only win if he has a +5 flamethrower or above, and only if it is blessed by the holymother of guiness beer. if the saving throw fails however, the smaller guy must engage in HGH therapy to therefore up his growth spurt, but his roll must be above a level 25 dragon’s HP, because if it is not, then the smaller guy must use his magic missile spell to thwart the evil demon that must have stilmulated the bigger mans endocrine sytem which spurred anabolic growth and androgenic trais such as hair growth, and enlarged clitori. The big man must now make sure his boots of lighning speed are on, because if they are not, he must roll a d28 1/2 and get over a 14, and if it is below a 14, then he must do the hustle. If this also fails, the mall guy must then use his knife to spread non-hydrogenated oil whip such as smart balance on crisp english muffins, not irish sodabread, because the soda in the bread is not diet soda, but V-diet soda.
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Oh good, I see you found the subject of your next mind blowing thread.
Royce won because he was a more skilled fighter. If either of those two had a comparable ground game they win. I don’t understand where people think Jay Cutler or whoever would beat a trained top fighter regardless of size. I mean it’s never going to happen anyway but seriously they’d lose.
I wonder what Maruisz training looked like when he first started training, and when he was intermediate. I sort of find it difficult to imagine him looking like anything other than the monster he is today.
[quote]Mad HORSE wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
When did MMA become its own discipline?
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YES! I absolutely love this. I hate when people say they study MMA; why not just say you study disciplines X and Y?[/quote]
because you waste lots of saliva and your keyboard lifetime. It’s better than typing OH i train JUDO, WRESTLING, BOXING, KICKBOXING, KARATE, MUAY THAI, SAVATE, SAMBO, KUNG FU, KENDO, AIKIDO, KENJUTSU, RAPE DO
[quote]Mad HORSE wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
When did MMA become its own discipline?
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YES! I absolutely love this. I hate when people say they study MMA; why not just say you study disciplines X and Y?[/quote]
because i don’t do X and Y, i do MMA.
[quote]drewh wrote:
Royce won because he was a more skilled fighter. If either of those two had a comparable ground game they win. I don’t understand where people think Jay Cutler or whoever would beat a trained top fighter regardless of size [/quote] What’s with all the straw men in this thread? [quote]. I mean it’s never going to happen anyway but seriously they’d lose.[/quote]
[quote]ZeroSleep wrote:
I wonder what Maruisz training looked like when he first started training, and when he was intermediate. I sort of find it difficult to imagine him looking like anything other than the monster he is today.[/quote]
Tried a few quick google searches, but couldn’t find anything other than that he supposedly started training at age 13 under the guidance of his father… I think he entered his first comp after 10 years of training?
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]Sarev0k wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]Sarev0k wrote:
Seriously? Do a search in the BB forum about anything relating to bodybuilding and fighting, and you’ll find a shit ton of wankers talking about how someone who’s “lean” and “cut” and took “MMA” for awhile can kick any big guys ass.
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OK. And you put a video up of a freakishly strong guy with some fight experience going against a nobody in his first MMA match. What’s that prove exactly?
Watch this video, of the 6’1 180 lb. Jack Dempsey fighting Jess Willard, who was 6’6 and 245 solid lbs.
Want to know what happens?
Willard suffered a “caved-in cheekbone, broken jaw, teeth knocked out, broken nose, broken ribs, lost hearing in 1 ear, eyes swollen shut, multiple contusions, cuts, and abrasions.”
What’s that prove? That every guy outweighed by 65 lbs. is going to whip his opponent? Of course not. You posted a professional fight and made it sound like that’s always what happens when a big guy fights a smaller guy, when in reality, that’s not true in the ring.
Besides that, if you were talking about that ultimate mythical “MMA guy vs. bodybuilder- but in THE STREETZ!” then this shit means even less, because you know who wins? The guy who pulls a knife, uses a weapon, or has more friends.
So your post, in effect, is fucking stupid, because it doesn’t translate to the ring and it doesn’t translate to real-life confrontations.
Yea, if a guy is a serious fighter, he’s going to hand a lot of guys their heads, regardless of size. But if he’s a some guy who’s taken a BJJ class and thinks he’s bad, he might not. But the point of the matter is that if you’re talking about streetfighting, which you seem to be alluding to, size and strength matter very, very, very little- it’s much more about who is willing to escalate the encounter to a lethal level the fastest. Real fights do not happen like boxing matches or cage fights, and to compare the two, as you seem to be doing, tells me that you don’t really know much about how real violence goes down.[/quote]
I don’t get what you don’t understand.
Heres the situation:
For awhile on here, random wannabe badass posters on the BB forum would say shit basically saying “every big dude will indefinitely get his ass kicked by a smaller MMA guy”
This has been rampant, so I wanted to prove them wrong somehow.
I find a video of Pudzianowski’s first fight in a “MMA” style scenario, whom just happens to be a big guy.
I prove to everyone, that just because you’re big, doesn’t mean you can’t fight, and it also doesn’t mean that you are slow. This is referring back to original call-out from the threads i talked about in #1.
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But you did it by taking a guy who is a green belt in Kyokushin karate (which is a pretty brutal art) and was formerly an amateur boxer.
Do you realize that he’s far, far more versed in fighting arts than a typical bodybuilder/strongman? [/quote] There are plenty of others who have a history in martial arts (including several of the Pros on the Olympia stage), though I agree with you on this one. [quote] The fact that he’s a trained fighter defeats the purpose of your thread- and though I don’t know the type of people that are posting in your bodybuilding forum, if they are truly fighters in any way, they’ll admit that while a well-trained smaller man can certainly beat someone much larger, a well-trained smaller man going against a well-trained big man is going to lose. [/quote] You can skip the well-trained part, as, to the best of my knowledge, none of the people making the posts in question were anything but little kids with zero experience or lying trolls. In fact, most of the bodybuilders attacked in the relevant threads likely had more fighting experience (whether through martial arts or long years of police or army service or some such) than the posters in question.
Secondly, yes, all these kids usually act like weighing more than 180 lbs will mean that you can’t fight worth shit and will be slow and inflexible by default, regardless of what you do apart from lifting weights.
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So if you had taken Ronnie Coleman and shown us a video that where he completely mutilates a smaller, well-trained fighter, the comparison would make sense. [/quote] No, it would not.
The original point was that wanna-be “fighters” in all-pink tap-out gear used to post statements (in the bbing forum, in response to a thread about some bodybuilder or whatever) how they, 13 years old, 113 lbs and with a mighty total of 3 MMA lessons under their belt, could easily beat the crap out of Ronnie, a guy with plenty of years of active police duty under his belt and other significant advantages… Other than the fact that such a comment is completely irrelevant in a thread about Ronnie’s off-season diet or whatever, it is also fairly ridiculous considering who made it.
If GSP came into the forum and stated such a thing (it would still be irrelevant and an obvious trolling attempt, but whatever), obviously people would be more inclined to believe him.
There was never any argument about how Jay Cutler or even someone with a nice amount of martial arts experience (Dexter Jackson among others) would defeat an elite-level fighter by default.
Nobody said any such thing…
We are all well aware that active high-level MMA fighters have a much higher chance of winning a fight against any (or most, what do I know about this crap anyway) other kind of athlete who does not also actively fight at a high level.
The same way as some top-level MMA competitor stands no chance on the olympia stage unless he also happens to be an elite-level bodybuilder… The goals and means to get there are different.
[quote]. But you took a massively strong guy who’s a trained fighter, in a ring setting, and then went “A HA!” when he won.
Well no shit.
So I’ll say it again- this thread is stupid.
Because it’s a “no shit” thing when you say that a big man can beat a smaller man in the ring. Who the fuck’s arguing that?[/quote] The people causing him to make this thread in the first place. [quote] And then you used a video of two trained fighters… which isn’t what you were trying to prove, was it?
[/quote] Unrelated to this argument… Did Pudz actually keep up his karate/boxing during his strongman career? Else he’s been inactive for 20 years or longer, no? Not that it matters with the opponent he fought, but anyway… I’m hoping that his skill will improve fast enough for him to make a real impact in MMA, just for variety’s sake. [quote]
My point is that you failed logic class. [/quote] I think you misunderstood him from the beginning, either on purpose or not.
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
[quote]lemonman456 wrote:
[quote]drewh wrote:
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
Did anyone expect this to have a different ending?
2 guys train to fight but one ALSO trains for strength…shit’s obvious.
My 165 pound jujitsu instructor (when I did it off and on through high school) couldnt hang with me at all at 250…even the 215-230 dudes owned him.
he’d always talk about how size didnt matter til he couldnt move one of use or was pushed out of the boundary.[/quote]
Are you trained by a blue belt or something?
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I’m 170 and have been doing BJJ for about a year and I’ve submitted people who weighed around 220-230. look at the old UFC fights, Royce fought at 180 and destroyed everyone.[/quote]
lol, Blue Belt!! No, he was legit Black. My training was and still is wrestling though si I wasnt “kid off the street” …most influential coaches of the last 6-7 years have been John Yaki and The Contos’ and before them lots of others taught me tricks n shit.
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My instructor is a BJJ purple belt under John Will/Machado’s, and weighs 170 max. He regularly submits guys in the 220-240 range (students and visitors, all with over 2 years experience, one being a Div III freestyle champ).
I’m not saying your instructor wasn’t legit black, just that when it comes to sub-wrestling, mat-time and skill plays a very big role and in my experience easily negates strength advantages.
MMA is a slightly different animal though. Strength becomes more important.
[quote]Amiright wrote:
[quote]DTP88 wrote:
Regarding Crocop vs. Bob Sapp:
Crocop hit him so hard with that punch that be broke (or fractured?) the bone of his eye socket, I believe. Hense him falling to the ground and crying.
Regarding Fedor vs. Hong Man w/e:
I honestly, for the first time in years, felt like I was watching a fixed fight when I was watching this live. Fedor fails an armbar on a flurry of ‘ground and pound’ punches, and the ginormous asian guy does the same thing over and over again that nearly got him caught, until it gets him caught.
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Man I’ve read a couple of your posts now and there are quite a few inaccuracies… get it together. But back on point.
Oon the hong man choi fight… that was a new years eve show that they were putting on for shits and giggles… hung man choi has never trained seriously a day in his life and I doubt fedor had a training camp before that fight.
No one looks at that fight as a legitimate fight on his record… its just a space holder. I believe ever armbar Fedor has ever done is from his back… does this mean that no one should ever take him to the ground.
This thread is dumb… fightingIrish said it perfectly
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You have no idea what you’re talking about. I said watch that he went for the same armbar multiple times. I am not a professional fighter. I trained for 2 years, and I know better. These are professional fighters. When I see something like that, out of ‘the best lb for lb fighter in the world’, it makes me think they’re keeping him on top. If they have the best, people will pay to see the best. Don’t quite understand how my OPINION has inaccuracies…
But, my genius, far-superior-than-all friend, you are telling me that hong man choi, who you claimed has never trained a day in his life, was able to take Fedor down/keep Fedor down… but someone like Nog struggles to?
Please.