[quote]speakman wrote:
MEYMZ wrote:
Yes, get your squat and DL up to about 315, whatever time it takes. Your bench is too high, or the others are too low.
Up to 225 on both the deadlift and squat now… 315 doesn’t look as unattainable as it did when you said I should aim for this… Maybe I just needed a specific number to shoot for![/quote]
Just out of curiousity, since you now squat 225x3, do you now have as an objective to hit 225x4 the next time you train squat? Or, do you shoot for 230x3?
Speakman,
Good to see you have not given up. You are making some progress and that is good. Keep making progress and you will get stronger. I agree with many of the previous suggestions. A couple of main points I want to emphasize:
You should weigh about 195 at this point (minimum). I say that because you said you weighed 185 back in January. You keep using words like fatty, fat, fat gut in your posts. Right now, concern yourself with getting stronger and weighing more. You run 12 miles per week and that is OK provided you recover and it doesn’t affect your lifting. I think 3000 kcal a day might be enough (minimum) but I can’t imagine 2500 is enough if you are working out with any intensity and running that much. The only way to answer that question is to consult a scale. If you still weigh 185 and you have weighed 185 for the past 5 months, what do you expect? If you do this correctly, you might even have to buy bigger pants. Is it worth it to you to add inches to your legs and increase your waist size a little?
You mentioned earlier about using lighter weights and pumping up the volume - 6 sets? If you are doing 6 working sets on any exercise, just stop now. 2. Rippetoe is a good program but consider your situation. With your back history, you don’t need to squat 3 times per week and pulling off the floor may not be the best thing for you - I like the previous suggestion to try rack pulls. It will get you used to heavy weights and could be safer for your lower back. I am not suggesting you stop squating completely but 3 times a week is hard to keep up indefinitely.
Figure out why you are getting injured. You should not be injuring your back doing deadlifts. Obviously, your form is bad, your core is weak, or your back can’t take any compression. Find and fix the problem. Good Luck
[quote]giterdone wrote:
Just out of curiousity, since you now squat 225x3, do you now have as an objective to hit 225x4 the next time you train squat? Or, do you shoot for 230x3?[/quote]
Since I’m trying to work up to 315 on the squat and DL, I’m adding weight instead of sets. And, actually, I’m doing six sets of everything now, starting with a fairly light warm-up set and working my way up to my “max” weight on my last set (by then, I might be down to 2 or 3 reps for the set).
Incidentally, I’m still at 225 on the DL but up to 245 on the squat as of yesterday…
[quote]ampleforth wrote:
Speakman,
Good to see you have not given up. You are making some progress and that is good. Keep making progress and you will get stronger. I agree with many of the previous suggestions. A couple of main points I want to emphasize:
You run 12 miles per week and that is OK provided you recover and it doesn’t affect your lifting. I think 3000 kcal a day might be enough (minimum) but I can’t imagine 2500 is enough if you are working out with any intensity and running that much.
The only way to answer that question is to consult a scale. If you still weigh 185 and you have weighed 185 for the past 5 months, what do you expect? If you do this correctly, you might even have to buy bigger pants. Is it worth it to you to add inches to your legs and increase your waist size a little?
With your back history, you don’t need to squat 3 times per week and pulling off the floor may not be the best thing for you - I like the previous suggestion to try rack pulls.
It will get you used to heavy weights and could be safer for your lower back. I am not suggesting you stop squating completely but 3 times a week is hard to keep up indefinitely.
Thanks for the feedback… To respond to your comments:
I still weigh 185. Good point. It makes sense that I should be gaining weight if I want to get stronger…
What do you mean by “working sets”? Does this exclude warm-up sets? If so, I’m more in the range of three to four sets per exercise (with two or three warm-up sets). I’m actually only squatting once or twice per week and deadlifting on the alternate workouts. I’m lifting Monday, Wednesday and Friday.
An earlier poster suggested that I was getting injured because I wasn’t doing any warm-up sets. (I know, extremely stupid of me.) I’m now warming up on everything, and I don’t seem to be getting injured now…
On a side note, what does everyone think about using wrist straps for deadlifting? My grip seems to be a potential limiting factor…
By working sets, I meant heavy sets across. I shouldn’t have said working sets because you are doing work on all sets. However, lifting your max weight for say 6 sets of 8 reps is not ideal. It sounds like you are working your way up to a couple of max sets using a total of 6 sets. No problem there - much better.
And yes, warming up by gradually increasing the weight will greatly reduce your chance for injury (dah!). I don’t see the harm in using wrist straps for DL as long as you don’t use them on all sets. If you want your grip to get stronger, go as heavy and far as you can until your grip starts to fail and them use the straps. Work on your grip strength.
Speakman
any program, even one developed by an untrained professional will give you SOME kind of results.
Yes i am in my mid twenties, but what the fuck does that have to do with all the excuses you give??? i dont flame you to put you down… i dont wish for your failure… hence i recommended something that might EXPLOIT some other principles or ideas to you.
You remained stubborn.
And now you are on hormones and still can’t progress at the rate you should be progressing… wake up dude. If something doesn’t work, try something new. 6x10 is a fucking terrible template also, unless you’re using it, at most, twice a week.
And um, if rippetoe was so great, why’d you change it???
See what im talking about man.
4 x 12!!! you will not be disappointed.
[quote]ZeusNathan wrote:
Speakman
any program, even one developed by an untrained professional will give you SOME kind of results.
Yes i am in my mid twenties, but what the fuck does that have to do with all the excuses you give??? i dont flame you to put you down… i dont wish for your failure… hence i recommended something that might EXPLOIT some other principles or ideas to you.
You remained stubborn.
And now you are on hormones and still can’t progress at the rate you should be progressing… wake up dude. If something doesn’t work, try something new. 6x10 is a fucking terrible template also, unless you’re using it, at most, twice a week.
And um, if rippetoe was so great, why’d you change it???
See what im talking about man.
4 x 12!!! you will not be disappointed.[/quote]
Nathan, are you sure you’re reading this thread? I’m not sure you’re paying attention… I’m not “making excuses”, “being stubborn” or failing to make progress.
My goal (suggested by another poster) is to work up to deadlifting and squatting 315. Not sure what my goal will be from there, but for now that’s what I’m shooting for. I’m now up to 265 on squat and 235 on deadlift. That’s up from 75 on both exercises (no joke!!) when I started Rippetoe’s on 4/14/08 on Stronghold’s (and quite a few others) recommendation. Is that not progress? Maybe it’s not as fast as a guy in his 20’s with “better potential” than me, but so what???
The reason I recently “upgraded” from Rippetoe’s is that Rippetoe’s program is specifically for beginners. His book, as a matter of fact, is titled “Starting Strength for Beginners”. My progress was slowing down on that program, so I mixed things up a bit. I’m now making progress again. Are the hormones helping? Undoubtedly!! Isn’t that what they’re supposed to do?
As for 6x10 being “f***ing terrible” compared to your magic formula of 4x12, that just seems to be a bit of an exaggeration to me, to say the least. Is there really that big of a difference between 6x10 and 4x12? Rippetoe’s was 3x5 and I made great progress on that for awhile…
So, here’s a challenge: If ANYONE ELSE HERE besides ZeusNathan thinks he’s right and that 4x12 is the ONLY way to make progress, can someone please come to his defense?? Seriously, I’m open-minded and am willing to try anything. But, Nathan, the reason I’ve been resistant to your advice is that you’re just SO EXTREME about it!! You seem to be saying that YOU AND ONLY YOU knows the magic formula for bodybuilding, but reality just doesn’t seem to bear that out…
Here’s a challenge for you, though: Send me your program! I’ll take a look at it at least… Your call…
[quote]speakman wrote:
ZeusNathan wrote:
Speakman
Nathan, are you sure you’re reading this thread? I’m not sure you’re paying attention… I’m not “making excuses”, “being stubborn” or failing to make progress.
My goal (suggested by another poster) is to work up to deadlifting and squatting 315. Not sure what my goal will be from there, but for now that’s what I’m shooting for. I’m now up to 265 on squat and 235 on deadlift. That’s up from 75 on both exercises (no joke!!) when I started Rippetoe’s on 4/14/08 on Stronghold’s (and quite a few others) recommendation. Is that not progress? Maybe it’s not as fast as a guy in his 20’s with “better potential” than me, but so what???[quote]
75lbs onto your deadlift is indeed progress, because you definitely did get stronger… but to take 16 months to achieve it, is a fucking debacle my friend. So I just pulled out my calculator and that is an average of 4.6lbs a month. I wish not to comment any further on this because I genuinely dont like to denounce someones personal victories.
[quote]The reason I recently “upgraded” from Rippetoe’s is that Rippetoe’s program is specifically for beginners. His book, as a matter of fact, is titled “Starting Strength for Beginners”. My progress was slowing down on that program, so I mixed things up a bit. I’m now making progress again. Are the hormones helping? Undoubtedly!! Isn’t that what they’re supposed to do?[quote]
I like 5x5
…just not for beginners. case in point.
[quote]As for 6x10 being “f***ing terrible” compared to your magic formula of 4x12, that just seems to be a bit of an exaggeration to me, to say the least. Is there really that big of a difference between 6x10 and 4x12? Rippetoe’s was 3x5 and I made great progress on that for awhile…[quote]
there is indeed, a huge difference in 6x10 compared to 4x12. When it comes to hypertrophy, volume is king. I would also add maximal lifts to aid in total muscle recruitment, but all in all, you need volume. One of your fatal flows in your program is the mundane templates you use. Its either always 3x5 or always 6x10. Id personally be bored as shit using the same shit template for every shit workout, but i digress. 6x10 reminds of something like a GVT, the 20 rep squat, the 50 rep leg press… all fuckin fantastic ideas, but not so great if used everyday. (what you should think about is, “if i can perform 6x10 every time, every week… am i really using enough weight?”) And believe me, its not because you are abnormally stronger than your peers.
So why use 3x12/4x12… for you specifically that is. For one, I dont trust that you are using enough weight for your exercises. Before you get your panties in a bunch, one must truly be pushed to the limit, before he knows what the ‘limit’ is.
If i asked an overweight housewife, whos last memory of physical activity was archery in elementary school, to gauge from 1 - 10 (1 being easiest,10 being very difficult) how hard a 30 second plank is, what would her answer be??? granted her deteriorating physical condition is the prime reason for her answer, it definitely wouldn’t be exemplary of her potential… even in her current, unhealthy state.
With 12 reps, I believe its low enough to allow you to perform multiple successful sets, and high enough to induce fatigue.(resulting in moderate to high volume)
I still consider you a beginner, so the repetitive movements will be better learned by your neuro-muscular system, allowing your body to function at a higher potential.
*NOTE your body will not allow you to perform at a level beyond its comfort zone. Of course, unless, you’re in a life or death situation… a mentality you should have everytime you step under that bar. The dilemma is that this is how injuries happen, but that is also why we have coaches and trainers to prevent that whilst exposing your truest potential. Experience works also.
Does a beginner truly know how to harness air in the diaphragm… and have the intuition to pick the right weight for a 5x5?
[quote]So, here’s a challenge: If ANYONE ELSE HERE besides ZeusNathan thinks he’s right and that 4x12 is the ONLY way to make progress, can someone please come to his defense?? Seriously, I’m open-minded and am willing to try anything. But, Nathan, the reason I’ve been resistant to your advice is that you’re just SO EXTREME about it!! You seem to be saying that YOU AND ONLY YOU knows the magic formula for bodybuilding, but reality just doesn’t seem to bear that out…[quote]
LoL
Come to my defense? Are you looking for a comrade to help dispute my statements? Dude, dont cry to the other members. Fight your own battles.
I can definitely sweet talk you into trying my personal program for you, but youre not paying me. Nor are you at all receptive to my ideas.
I was kind of hoping to piss you enough so that you come out and said something along the lines of… ok! give me your program, so I can show you and everyone else how worthless it is.
and of course youd try it for a month, get mind blowing results, and eat all your words.
im terrible, i know. you should ignore me just on the principle of not speaking to evil men.
One thing about me is that I genuinely like to spread and share what I know. The only way I would write up a program for you is if you decimated whatever program you’re on now, and implemented mine with 100% conviction for only one month.
Zeus, are you really THAT butthurt over this entire thing that you are still harassing this guy a year and a half later? Pathetic.
I see you taking potshots at The Dude and his progress in his log because he disagreed with you here.
Let’s see your stats/lifts/pictures then big guy. How much muscle mass and strength have YOU built with your “system”.
Oh yeah, thats right…you don’t have any because you’re a skinny fucking kid with no real progress or accomplishment to back up your loud ass mouth. Excellent keyboard warrioring.
He says that he might even think about doing your program if you send it to him to check out, and you back pedal away from that. Once again, excellent keyboard warrioring.
You weigh 160 lbs. What do YOU know about gaining muscle? Absolutely nothing more than what you have read somewhere else.
If he has been performing the basic exercises weekly for the past 18 months, there is very little progress to be eked out by improvements in neuromuscular efficiency. His training age is significantly far beyond that at which such an approach would be beneficial. Of course, you didn’t think that training age had to do with more than just numbers, right? Of course not, because the book you read didn’t tell you that and you aren’t strong and haven’t trained anyone to be strong.
There is a reason that Speakman didn’t take your advice to begin with, and that’s because you don’t look like you have applied your supposedly superior methods on yourself. That coupled with the fact that someone who actually looks like they lift weights was giving him advice that many others were agreeing with, led him to follow the course of action that we have already outlined. Unfortunately, only so much can be done without personal interaction, and the problems Speakman has had, he would have had regardless of loading parameters or program. I guarantee you that, had I been working with him in person, he would be bigger and stronger than you by now while you would still be trying to pick fights on the internet with people who honestly do not give a fuck about anything you have to say.
[quote]ZeusNathan wrote:
75lbs onto your deadlift is indeed progress, because you definitely did get stronger… but to take 16 months to achieve it, is a fucking debacle my friend. So I just pulled out my calculator and that is an average of 4.6lbs a month. I wish not to comment any further on this because I genuinely dont like to denounce someones personal victories.[/quote]
Thanks for not denouncing my personal victories. Seriously. I think a lot of guys here (all under 30, of course) kind of enjoy doing that. That said, note that my rate of progress seems to be increasing. In other words, I think I’m progressing faster now than I was.
Either way, here’s another calculation: In just 18 months, I’ve improved my deadlift (for example) by more than 300%! I don’t think anyone with any sense would argue that that’s not pretty decent progress…
If we still think that my progress is slow, maybe it is, especially compared to a guy in his 20’s who hasn’t had two hernia surgeries, etc. At 42 and with the things that I’ve struggled with in the past (mainly my own ignorance and laziness - there, I admitted it), I’m really happy to be making progress at all. I probably won’t be ready in time for the 2010 Arnold Classic Bodybuilding Competition, but maybe 2011…
You contradict yourself. You say you “genuinely like to spread and share what I know”, but, on the other hand, you won’t tell me about your program unless I agree beforehand to “decimate whatever program you’re on now, and implement mine with 100% conviction for only one month.” Why? Why can’t I just see the program and then decide?? It’s like offering to set me up on a blind date with your sister, but only if I agree first to date her exclusively for a full month afterward… Would make me wonder what’s wrong with your sister…
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Zeus, are you really THAT butthurt over this entire thing that you are still harassing this guy a year and a half later? Pathetic.
I see you taking potshots at The Dude and his progress in his log because he disagreed with you here.
Let’s see your stats/lifts/pictures then big guy. How much muscle mass and strength have YOU built with your “system”.
Oh yeah, thats right…you don’t have any because you’re a skinny fucking kid with no real progress or accomplishment to back up your loud ass mouth. Excellent keyboard warrioring.
He says that he might even think about doing your program if you send it to him to check out, and you back pedal away from that. Once again, excellent keyboard warrioring.
You weigh 160 lbs. What do YOU know about gaining muscle? Absolutely nothing more than what you have read somewhere else.
If he has been performing the basic exercises weekly for the past 18 months, there is very little progress to be eked out by improvements in neuromuscular efficiency. His training age is significantly far beyond that at which such an approach would be beneficial. Of course, you didn’t think that training age had to do with more than just numbers, right? Of course not, because the book you read didn’t tell you that and you aren’t strong and haven’t trained anyone to be strong.
There is a reason that Speakman didn’t take your advice to begin with, and that’s because you don’t look like you have applied your supposedly superior methods on yourself. That coupled with the fact that someone who actually looks like they lift weights was giving him advice that many others were agreeing with, led him to follow the course of action that we have already outlined. Unfortunately, only so much can be done without personal interaction, and the problems Speakman has had, he would have had regardless of loading parameters or program. I guarantee you that, had I been working with him in person, he would be bigger and stronger than you by now while you would still be trying to pick fights on the internet with people who honestly do not give a fuck about anything you have to say.[/quote]
the truth is that you have never trained anyone. as you pointed out, a program that works for me, will not necessarily work for a 40+ year old. the only conceptual principle would be weight bearing exercises for increase density and mass in muscles and bones.
and yes, i am only 160lbs because i choose to be.
i do not wish to be 5’6 @ 220lbs, unable to wipe my ass. i box, im a striking coach, id be useless if i couldnt move my hands.
i devote 70% of my training to weights, and 30% to boxing.
my best lifts
bench 245lbs for five
squat 315lbs for five <–prior to mcl injury
deadlift 415lbs for one
pull ups bodyweight +90lbs for eight
dips bodyweight +115lbs for five
not on gear
What’s with you and making things up about me? Are you hurting THAT badly for something against me? I’m glad that your system is so structurally sound that you need to resort to making things up about me and personal attacks in order to defend it. I can go back in this thread and find the lame attempts you have made at attacking me if you want a reminder. I do train people and have worked with actual athletes and individuals with higher goals than looking good in that little black dress for their 25th high school reunion.
I am 210 lbs at 5’6" and have no problem sprinting up hills, pushing sleds, loading sandbags, throwing punches, or any of the other movements for which you have supposedly “avoided getting too big”. I have also done all of this without steroids. As a side note, if you think that HRT (which Speakman is on) is in any way comparable to a younger person using anabolic steroids or peptides in dosages which would promote performance, then you are even dumber than I thought.
Your lifts have not changed since the last time we had this discussion, and given the piss poor technique exhibited in the deadlift video you posted last year, I doubt the credibility of the numbers you have provided.
You are a textbook keyboard warrior. “Certified personal trainer”, don’t want to get too big, questionable lifts, rudimentary (at best) or poorly applied training knowledge, martial arts coach. Yeah yeah yeah, we get it dude. It’s ok. You’re small. There’s nothing wrong with that, just stop acting like you know what you’re doing here because you’ve done such a good job at proving the opposite for us here that we don’t really need to discuss your lack of credibility any further.
The fact that you continue to pursue this little vendetta you have against Speakman, the Dude, and I really illustrates quite well exactly how much of a BITCH you are.
P.S. Your reading comprehension is almost as lacking as your “training knowledge”.
I just sat here and read most of this thread. I find it funny you avoid the over 35 forums when some of the strongest if not the strongest people we have, post over there. I promise you, those old guys don’t take it easy.
Your an older guy with older guy issues. They are older guys who have older guy issues…and some of em are bad ass. Just sayin…
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
What’s with you and making things up about me? Are you hurting THAT badly for something against me? I’m glad that your system is so structurally sound that you need to resort to making things up about me and personal attacks in order to defend it. I can go back in this thread and find the lame attempts you have made at attacking me if you want a reminder. I do train people and have worked with actual athletes and individuals with higher goals than looking good in that little black dress for their 25th high school reunion.
I am 210 lbs at 5’6" and have no problem sprinting up hills, pushing sleds, loading sandbags, throwing punches, or any of the other movements for which you have supposedly “avoided getting too big”. I have also done all of this without steroids. As a side note, if you think that HRT (which Speakman is on) is in any way comparable to a younger person using anabolic steroids or peptides in dosages which would promote performance, then you are even dumber than I thought.
Your lifts have not changed since the last time we had this discussion, and given the piss poor technique exhibited in the deadlift video you posted last year, I doubt the credibility of the numbers you have provided.
You are a textbook keyboard warrior. “Certified personal trainer”, don’t want to get too big, questionable lifts, rudimentary (at best) or poorly applied training knowledge, martial arts coach. Yeah yeah yeah, we get it dude. It’s ok. You’re small. There’s nothing wrong with that, just stop acting like you know what you’re doing here because you’ve done such a good job at proving the opposite for us here that we don’t really need to discuss your lack of credibility any further.
The fact that you continue to pursue this little vendetta you have against Speakman, the Dude, and I really illustrates quite well exactly how much of a BITCH you are.[/quote]
indeed… indeed
youre right man. my lifts havent changed much.
but let me know when you can lift more then me.
and i really wonder, what i ‘made up’ about you? lol
you say that in every post.
“I am 210 lbs at 5’6” and have no problem sprinting up hills, pushing sleds, loading sandbags, throwing punches, or any of the other movements for which you have supposedly “avoided getting too big”"
Anyone can throw a punch. Even sexual chocolate mark henry can throw a punch. Even muhammed ali can throw a punch with his condition. you obviously missed the whole point.
[quote]ZeusNathan wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
What’s with you and making things up about me? Are you hurting THAT badly for something against me? I’m glad that your system is so structurally sound that you need to resort to making things up about me and personal attacks in order to defend it. I can go back in this thread and find the lame attempts you have made at attacking me if you want a reminder. I do train people and have worked with actual athletes and individuals with higher goals than looking good in that little black dress for their 25th high school reunion.
I am 210 lbs at 5’6" and have no problem sprinting up hills, pushing sleds, loading sandbags, throwing punches, or any of the other movements for which you have supposedly “avoided getting too big”. I have also done all of this without steroids. As a side note, if you think that HRT (which Speakman is on) is in any way comparable to a younger person using anabolic steroids or peptides in dosages which would promote performance, then you are even dumber than I thought.
Your lifts have not changed since the last time we had this discussion, and given the piss poor technique exhibited in the deadlift video you posted last year, I doubt the credibility of the numbers you have provided.
You are a textbook keyboard warrior. “Certified personal trainer”, don’t want to get too big, questionable lifts, rudimentary (at best) or poorly applied training knowledge, martial arts coach. Yeah yeah yeah, we get it dude. It’s ok. You’re small. There’s nothing wrong with that, just stop acting like you know what you’re doing here because you’ve done such a good job at proving the opposite for us here that we don’t really need to discuss your lack of credibility any further.
The fact that you continue to pursue this little vendetta you have against Speakman, the Dude, and I really illustrates quite well exactly how much of a BITCH you are.
indeed… indeed
youre right man. my lifts havent changed much.
but let me know when you can lift more then me.
and i really wonder, what i ‘made up’ about you? lol
you say that in every post.
“I am 210 lbs at 5’6” and have no problem sprinting up hills, pushing sleds, loading sandbags, throwing punches, or any of the other movements for which you have supposedly “avoided getting too big”"
Anyone can throw a punch. Even sexual chocolate mark henry can throw a punch. Even muhammed ali can throw a punch with his condition. you obviously missed the whole point.
[/quote]
Your statements throughout this thread that I do not lift weights or that I don’t train people are entirely untrue. Why don’t you ask Detazathoth on this board, who is 10 weeks away from getting his elite total in powerlifting whether or not I have been his main source of training information and programming for the past year, then get back to me.
I do lift more than you, my training is posted out there. Not only do I lift more than you, but I have repeatedly dismantled your pathetic attempts at arguing your case for your lame 4x12 or whatever it is system. Heads up newbie, “4x12” is a loading parameter, not a system or even a program.
How did I miss the point? I guess your reading comprehension is worse than I thought. You said you are staying abysmally light for the sake of athleticism (which doesn’t make sense since you are fairly fat at 160) as if you somehow sacrifice that by gaining any weight. I am 210 and am faster and more agile at this weight than I ever was when I was a lighter athlete. If you knew jack shit about what you were doing, you would be able to gain muscular bodyweight up to a reasonable point (well above 160 fucking lbs, btw) and retain or even improve your athleticism.
Keep posting though man, you’re really making yourself look better and better. I’m sure if you keep up the middle school antics in here, you will get what you want, right?
Speakman, I second the other poster’s advice, the over 35 forum is an excellent resource for guys with old guy issues and there are plenty of cock strong old guys posting there that can help you with certain things to a far greater degree than I simply from their own experience.
oh hai guiz what’s going on in this thread here?
[quote]ZeusNathan wrote:
but let me know when you can lift more then me.[/quote]
that statement with these lifts:
[quote]bench 245lbs for five
squat 315lbs for five <–prior to mcl injury
deadlift 415lbs for one
pull ups bodyweight +90lbs for eight
dips bodyweight +115lbs for five
[/quote]
is pretty fucking LOL. Those aren’t numbers that should put you on a high horse.
lol
i think its decent, proud of it actually.
i only posted it because it was requested by stronghold and speakman
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
ZeusNathan wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
What’s with you and making things up about me? Are you hurting THAT badly for something against me? I’m glad that your system is so structurally sound that you need to resort to making things up about me and personal attacks in order to defend it. I can go back in this thread and find the lame attempts you have made at attacking me if you want a reminder. I do train people and have worked with actual athletes and individuals with higher goals than looking good in that little black dress for their 25th high school reunion.
I am 210 lbs at 5’6" and have no problem sprinting up hills, pushing sleds, loading sandbags, throwing punches, or any of the other movements for which you have supposedly “avoided getting too big”. I have also done all of this without steroids. As a side note, if you think that HRT (which Speakman is on) is in any way comparable to a younger person using anabolic steroids or peptides in dosages which would promote performance, then you are even dumber than I thought.
Your lifts have not changed since the last time we had this discussion, and given the piss poor technique exhibited in the deadlift video you posted last year, I doubt the credibility of the numbers you have provided.
You are a textbook keyboard warrior. “Certified personal trainer”, don’t want to get too big, questionable lifts, rudimentary (at best) or poorly applied training knowledge, martial arts coach. Yeah yeah yeah, we get it dude. It’s ok. You’re small. There’s nothing wrong with that, just stop acting like you know what you’re doing here because you’ve done such a good job at proving the opposite for us here that we don’t really need to discuss your lack of credibility any further.
The fact that you continue to pursue this little vendetta you have against Speakman, the Dude, and I really illustrates quite well exactly how much of a BITCH you are.
indeed… indeed
youre right man. my lifts havent changed much.
but let me know when you can lift more then me.
and i really wonder, what i ‘made up’ about you? lol
you say that in every post.
“I am 210 lbs at 5’6” and have no problem sprinting up hills, pushing sleds, loading sandbags, throwing punches, or any of the other movements for which you have supposedly “avoided getting too big”"
Anyone can throw a punch. Even sexual chocolate mark henry can throw a punch. Even muhammed ali can throw a punch with his condition. you obviously missed the whole point.
Your statements throughout this thread that I do not lift weights or that I don’t train people are entirely untrue. Why don’t you ask Detazathoth on this board, who is 10 weeks away from getting his elite total in powerlifting whether or not I have been his main source of training information and programming for the past year, then get back to me.
I do lift more than you, my training is posted out there. Not only do I lift more than you, but I have repeatedly dismantled your pathetic attempts at arguing your case for your lame 4x12 or whatever it is system. Heads up newbie, “4x12” is a loading parameter, not a system or even a program.
How did I miss the point? I guess your reading comprehension is worse than I thought. You said you are staying abysmally light for the sake of athleticism (which doesn’t make sense since you are fairly fat at 160) as if you somehow sacrifice that by gaining any weight. I am 210 and am faster and more agile at this weight than I ever was when I was a lighter athlete. If you knew jack shit about what you were doing, you would be able to gain muscular bodyweight up to a reasonable point (well above 160 fucking lbs, btw) and retain or even improve your athleticism.
Keep posting though man, you’re really making yourself look better and better. I’m sure if you keep up the middle school antics in here, you will get what you want, right?
Speakman, I second the other poster’s advice, the over 35 forum is an excellent resource for guys with old guy issues and there are plenty of cock strong old guys posting there that can help you with certain things to a far greater degree than I simply from their own experience.[/quote]
so you are upset about exchanging words about a year ago?
For that, I apologize.
And it is a general consensus that as you get lighter, you get quicker, slower as you get heavier.
E.G. MMA/Boxing
Hence weight classes
Hence pound for pound discussions
Hence physics
Hence flexibility