[quote]RagingBull wrote:
Good for you, I wouldn’t take their unconstructive comments either.
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The only thing unconstructive here is Sparticus’s blind insulting of anything he’s not used to doing.
I’ve actually meant only a few serious lifters who really care how much anyone else lifts. Seems like the people who are always talking about how much people lift are the guys doing the curls in the squat rack.
Regarding, “how much functional carryover will it have to your real-life anyhow?” - I don’t know about others but I work in an office. Unless, a job involves heavy lifting - how much carry over does any weightlifting movement have in a persons day to day life except when you help someone move or you want to re-arrange furniture for the wife. Outside of the gym, I rarely have to squat, deadlift, press in any movement much weight at all.
As for shoulder pain - that’s why I lift with dumbbells on a bench. I recently saw a guy with db’s on one of those suicide balls, he rolled of the ball on accident and dropped the db which sort of slid down his face - thank God it wasn’t a direct hit - I really don’t need that in my life - the bench is just fine for me. I figure if God wanted me to lift on an unstable surface there would be more earthquakes while I’m lifting.
[quote]billsdad wrote:
I’ve actually meant only a few serious lifters who really care how much anyone else lifts. Seems like the people who are always talking about how much people lift are the guys doing the curls in the squat rack.
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Great exercise those curls in a squat rack. I could see Kratos pumping out a few of those.
But we were designed by God to be moving constantly. Using our bodies for hunting, climbing and so on. Primal man was never meant to sit in front of a computer for hours on end.
Chuckles politely
yeah there is definetly a chance of falling off as Kratos has pointed out. But I have seen guys blow their knees out doing a squat.
Perhaps we should just stick to the machine chest press and single joint (safe) movements.
[quote]billsdad wrote:
I’ve actually meant only a few serious lifters who really care how much anyone else lifts. Seems like the people who are always talking about how much people lift are the guys doing the curls in the squat rack.
Regarding, “how much functional carryover will it have to your real-life anyhow?” - I don’t know about others but I work in an office. Unless, a job involves heavy lifting - how much carry over does any weightlifting movement have in a persons day to day life except when you help someone move or you want to re-arrange furniture for the wife. Outside of the gym, I rarely have to squat, deadlift, press in any movement much weight at all.
As for shoulder pain - that’s why I lift with dumbbells on a bench. I recently saw a guy with db’s on one of those suicide balls, he rolled of the ball on accident and dropped the db which sort of slid down his face - thank God it wasn’t a direct hit - I really don’t need that in my life - the bench is just fine for me. I figure if God wanted me to lift on an unstable surface there would be more earthquakes while I’m lifting.
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Accidents happen, ball or no ball.
I’m not even going to go into the god topic…
[quote]De sleeplijn wrote:
kheaslim wrote:
Question for chekonit and sleepin:
I have seen you post that you don’t beleive swiss ball pressing is the be all and end all of pressing. So where do you fit it in?
How do you fit in in your routine? And how to you fit bench pressing (on a bench of course) with DB’s in your routine?
No exercise is the be all and end all. Anyone who thinks that is an idiot.
For some of you knuckledraggers, maybe you could lay off the BB bench for 6-8 weeks and give the SB DB Bench a go as the primary chest exercise. What’s the worst that could happen? Other than Kratos falling off.
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I know you quoted my question, but i hope that whole reply wasn’t aimed at me.
That was not an attack, and it was nothing but a question from a man who gives most exercises a fair shot.
I would like to try it, at least once to see how it feels. This thread got me curious, as I do like to try different moves in the gym.
So again, I hope that whole response wasn’t directed my way.
[quote]De sleeplijn wrote:
Perhaps we should just stick to the machine chest press and single joint (safe) movements.
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Maybe we ought to just stay in front of the computers, keep it inside one of those Seinfeldian bubbles…
[quote]CHEKonIT wrote:
kheaslim wrote:
Question for chekonit and sleepin:
I have seen you post that you don’t beleive swiss ball pressing is the be all and end all of pressing. So where do you fit it in?
How do you fit in in your routine? And how to you fit bench pressing (on a bench of course) with DB’s in your routine?
Where to fit it in? Depends on what else you plan on training that day, but especially if you’re new to the exercise it’d be a good idea to put it close to the start of your workout when your nervous system is at it’s freshest.
Then, if that’s what you’re training for, you could progress to pressing exercises that don’t require as much stabilizer control.
And don’t forget, the topic is about SB presses vs. bench presses for shoulder health, so if shoulder health was a priortity of yours, traditional pressing on bench may not be a good idea at any stage of your workout.
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Thank you.
I figure I will try it, at least once to see how it feels.
[quote]kheaslim wrote:
Thank you.
I figure I will try it, at least once to see how it feels.
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Good on you. Tell me how you go. It’s nice to know that there are some intelligent people on this site…
[quote]kheaslim wrote:
I know you quoted my question, but i hope that whole reply wasn’t aimed at me.
That was not an attack, and it was nothing but a question from a man who gives most exercises a fair shot.
I would like to try it, at least once to see how it feels. This thread got me curious, as I do like to try different moves in the gym.
So again, I hope that whole response wasn’t directed my way.
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Not aimed at you. Good on you for wanting to give it a go.
Let the thread know how you fare when you give it a go. It would be very interesting to see how you go.
[quote]kheaslim wrote:
Thank you.
I figure I will try it, at least once to see how it feels.
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It’ll be a waste of a workout, I feel sorry for you.
See if you can feel your chi flowing as you rub yourself over the ball.
[quote]RagingBull wrote:
It’ll be a waste of a workout, I feel sorry for you.
See if you can feel your chi flowing as you rub yourself over the ball.[/quote]
Don’t knock those that do. Knock those that don’t.
[quote]De sleeplijn wrote:
RagingBull wrote:
It’ll be a waste of a workout, I feel sorry for you.
See if you can feel your chi flowing as you rub yourself over the ball.
Don’t knock those that do. Knock those that don’t.
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I’m quite happy to knock those who do if what those who do do is presses on a ball.
I know of another great movement to try.
You don’t even need weights.
Just use your bicep and tricep as resistance for eachother.
As you curl your arms up, use your tricep to pull agains your arm just enough to mimic actual weight. Your tricep is doing a “negative”.
Then perform the opposite movement to work your tris and give your bis the benefit of negatives!
Same amazing benefits can be had using your quads and hamstrings!
Hey, don’t knock those who try this, only those who don’t try it.
[quote]SWR-1240 wrote:
I know of another great movement to try.
You don’t even need weights.
Just use your bicep and tricep as resistance for eachother.
As you curl your arms up, use your tricep to pull agains your arm just enough to mimic actual weight. Your tricep is doing a “negative”.
Then perform the opposite movement to work your tris and give your bis the benefit of negatives!
Same amazing benefits can be had using your quads and hamstrings!
Hey, don’t knock those who try this, only those who don’t try it.
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Nice work troll. I love it.
My comment was made within reason and it takes a troll such as yourself to go to the extreme.
Another example of a knuckledragger, not reading the thread through it’s entirety (or possibly at all) and coming in with a simple dickhead argument.
The funny thing is, dipshit, your troll job idea was actually done at a University and some sedentry people actually noticed muscle gain.
[quote]De sleeplijn wrote:
The funny thing is, dipshit, your troll job idea was actually done at a University and some sedentry people actually noticed muscle gain.
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Sedentary people gain muscle from anything.
What about trained atheletes?
[quote]RagingBull wrote:
De sleeplijn wrote:
RagingBull wrote:
It’ll be a waste of a workout, I feel sorry for you.
See if you can feel your chi flowing as you rub yourself over the ball.
Don’t knock those that do. Knock those that don’t.
I’m quite happy to knock those who do if what those who do do is presses on a ball.
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I don’t think its really a big deal. I am going to try them at the end of my regular workout tomorow. I doubt I would ever make them my primary chest move, infact I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t. But if I happen to like them, I may toss them in occassionally for variety.
[quote]Ghost22 wrote:
Sedentary people gain muscle from anything.
What about trained atheletes?
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Obviously not for trained athletes.
Might work for SWR-1240 though.
[quote]RagingBull wrote:
De sleeplijn wrote:
RagingBull wrote:
It’ll be a waste of a workout, I feel sorry for you.
See if you can feel your chi flowing as you rub yourself over the ball.
Don’t knock those that do. Knock those that don’t.
I’m quite happy to knock those who do if what those who do do is presses on a ball.
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Really. I can totally see how less weight than a muscle is used to will stimulate all kinds of new growth. Not progressively heavy weights which I’ve been laying off of, since I fractured my humerus last June. Kind of throws your workout off a bit. I’m just barely getting back to my old PR’s now. If I get stuck after hitting those,then I 'll think about what to do differently.
Funny how people make all kinds of dick-headed assumptions about your workout, without knowing a damn thing, and base a whole lot off of not much. AND hide behind the internet. And I don't remember bitching about anything . That would be some other crybabies on this thread. I didn't come on here complaining about a damn thing. Then, you have trolls whining about"insults" after starting shit. Please...
[quote]Kratos wrote:
Really. I can totally see how less weight than a muscle is used to will stimulate all kinds of new growth.
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Ever done German Volume Training? I used less weight in that than my muscles were used to. I made some good gains from that program.
Okay. So you have a reason for your lagging pecs. How was I supposed to know you fractured your humerus? All I could tell about you is that there was obviously some chest work deficiency. Nothing serious, but it was obvious.
I’ve explained my assumption and it is very reasonable. You’ve made plenty about me. A fat troll, psychology major, and so on.
[quote] Just how much pectoralis involment is there in typing on a keyboard or pushing a pencil?
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How much biceps / delts / lats / etc. etc? are you a prat?